A simple question for all of you smashboardians....

[RetroRhythm]

Why do the vast majority of the "pro's" make an attempt to spit down on those who are lower than them every chance they get?

Quit calling me a scrub. I know I am not "pro" nor do I wish to be, so I don't need you to be a pompous *** around every nook and cranny and remind me of my disinterest towards getting better at the game through methods I don't agree with.

Another thing, there is many definitions of the term "good." I am not making the statement that I can beat a pro with my lack of advanced skills, because I know I will get my *** kicked, it has happened before. I don't make johns either, I know I suck in comparison to people who use techs....

You don't need to remind me. I know, shut up.

I am however, good against those who do NOT use techs, as instead of learning the techs, I practiced on crafting the metagame naturally present as opposed for exploring other methods. This, makes me "good" against the select audience that I battle against.

I do not flame your methods, do NOT flame mine. There is no one way to play the fricking game. I am extremely tired of the god complex tech users seem to have, (not all of them thank god, but a good bulk) and how they think I am dirt in comparison. You know what tough guy? Pick on someone on your own skill level, someone as high and mighty as you shouldn't dirty your hands with a "scrub." Beating scrubs doesn't make you "good," it is the equivalent of shoving over a guy in a wheelchair and ridiculing him because he can not stand.

You are not "pro" for beating "scrubs," you become a "pro" by beating other "pros." Simple fricking common sense, use it.

Another thing, I see alot of people claiming they are "pros" because they use
techs, which is ********. You are not a pro for just using techs, you become a pro when you become noticeable on a public level. Doing pro techniques doesn't make you pro, just like adopting a hip hop way of living does not make you black.

You are NOTHING until I can say, "<insert name here> SURE did a number on AlphaZealot."

You know, I thought this board was for Smash fans to get together and discuss the game that brought them together from all parts of the world...

Instead? It is slowly segregating into classifications, and what could be a friendly environment where EVERYONE has a chance to speak to one another like humans is slowly becoming a "Scrubs vs. Pros" board.

Can you not see it? I can see it as clear as day.

This is just a wakeup call Smashboards. I came here for a purpose, to hang out and talk with you guys about the GAME, not about the PLAYSTYLE differences that seperate everyone. Why must everyone be at each others throats? Why can't I make the statement that I am good against those who play on my level without getting flamed to death by the guy who plays at a different level? Leave me the hell alone, I don't screw with you, don't screw with me.

 

[jambre]

most people who would call you that are not 'pro'

 

[Darkurai]

I love you.

@jambre: AZ says otherwise.

 

[shadydentist]

The term 'pro' gets thrown around here a little too casually.

 

[RetroRhythm]

The term 'pro' gets thrown around here a little too casually.

Took the words RIGHT out of my mouth.

 

[Blindman]

Simple? I think not. Just ignore the people who do act like pricks.

 

[Darkurai]

Simple? I think not. Just ignore the people who do act like pricks.

Hard to do that when one of those pricks is a moderator.
You know, the people who are supposed to crack down on the pricks?

 

[nindgod]

i have no idea how to do any of the techiniques. wave dashing is too hard for me.

 

[Hellbeing]

i totally agree with you, there is no one way to play the game, it was set up so u could make your own combos and get good with your own combos

 

[Darkfur]

most people who would call you that are not 'pro'

This it true. Most of the "pros" who call everyone not at their level are just elitists and noone likes elitists. These are NOT the majority of Pros. Also, There is a difference between Pro and competitive Smasher...

Kirby kid does a great job of talking about this subject here. I highly suggest reading it.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=122596


Smash Bros is the absolute best game in the world in my oppinion, and the fact that there are many different ways to play is what makes it so great. The only people who play that I can not respect are those who think it legitimate to bash others for having fun differently.

Also, please refrain from using curses in your arguments. It really detracts from the professionalism and thus people's ability to take it seriously. </advice>

 

[whiterob]

This is just a wakeup call Smashboards. I came here for a purpose, to hang out and talk with you guys about the GAME, not about the PLAYSTYLE differences that seperate everyone. Why must everyone be at each others throats? Why can't I make the statement that I am good against those who play on my level without getting flamed to death by the guy who plays at a different level? Leave me the **** alone, I don't screw with you, don't screw with me.

I see no problem with people discussing their playstyle with others. Smash is great in that it can be played in various ways, with various skill levels, and still be fun for each different niche that emerges. The real problem is people pushing there beliefs on others.

 

[RetroRhythm]

This it true. Most of the "pros" who call everyone not at their level are just elitists and noone likes elitists. These are NOT the majority of Pros. Also, There is a difference between Pro and competitive Smasher...

Kirby kid does a great job of talking about this subject here. I highly suggest reading it.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=122596


Smash Bros is the absolute best game in the world in my oppinion, and the fact that there are many different ways to play is what makes it so great. The only people who play that I can not respect are those who think it legitimate to bash others for having fun differently.

Also, please refrain from using curses in your arguments. It really detracts from the professionalism and thus people's ability to take it seriously. </advice>

Yea, I was going to naturally go back and edit out the curses, as they are simply not my way of typing. I just typed what I thought, and it slips out.

I am reading it now.

 

[Vortok]

It's a vicious cycle.

Someone starts something (doesn't matter which side). The other side may try to put up with it for awhile, but eventually they're gonna break and strike back. And usually people get caught in the crossfire because they fall into one of the various "groups" via generalizations even though they weren't the intended target. And they strike back and pull more people in... and thus it cycles around. It can be hard to tell who is fine and who you wanna yell at when they appear similar at surface level.


And it's not just smashboards. Noob/scrub/etc. gets thrown around WAY too easily in almost any game. I prefer using "newb" to mean newbie. Not an insult, just that they're new to the game and still learning. Noob (and it's alternate forms - scrub is just a fancier version that means the same thing) is the more annoying variant that I try to stay away from using (not always successfully). The subtleties of inexperienced vs. not having time to learn the in-depth stuff vs. being a moron is lost on many people, and then some of those people that can't see the difference just call everyone that's different from them a noob.


Welcome to the internet.

 

[bob-e]

The main focus of these boards is competitive play and advanced techniques. Thats what this forum has established itself as as, and nothing anyone says will ever change that. If all you want to do is talk about the game rather than the little tricks and tactics that make one person better at Melee than another, go to the GameFAQs or NSider forums.

I'm not trying to insult you, it just sounds like your in the wrong place.

 

[Jammer]

You must have been really made fun of for you to post this, RetroRhythm.

But I have a feeling one person called you a scrub or something and you got super upset. Can you link to the specific post or thread that made you so angry?

I guess I'm not feeling too much sympathy for you. In general, people on Smashboards are quite nice. Sure, a few of us are total jerks, but that will happen anywhere. I really don't see how the people who use advanced techniques are part of some elitist cabal.

Did this all come out of a misunderstanding where you said you had skills without using advanced techs and someone lectured you? If you want to be very good at the game, you have to use advanced techs. There's no way around it. But there's nothing wrong with playing Smash the way you want to. I think most people here understand that.

You know, I thought this board was for Smash fans to get together and discuss the game that brought them together from all parts of the world...

Instead? It is slowly segregating into classifications, and what could be a friendly environment where EVERYONE has a chance to speak to one another like humans is slowly becoming a "Scrubs vs. Pros" board.

Can you not see it? I can see it as clear as day.

Sorry to sound rude, but what do you expect? It isn't "slowing becoming a 'Scrubs vs. Pros' Board." It already is, but it's not that bad. Smashboards is the place where both casual players and tournament-winning professionals post. Think of what would happen if you were the best football player at your high school and you were having discussions about football with professional football players (notice I didn't disambiguate whether "football" refers to soccer or American football--take your pick). Would they take you seriously? Of course not. They would most likely get annoyed if you keep telling them how good you are. High school football is nothing compared to professional football.

I think you took something that is to be expected much too personally.

Again, sorry for sounding rude. I figure it would take too much work to make my reply nice and friendly.

 

[RetroRhythm]

The main focus of this board is about competitive play and advanced techniques. Thats what this board forums has established itself as as, and nothing anyone says will ever change that. If all you want to do is talk about the game rather than the little tricks and tactics that make one person better at Melee than another, go to the GameFAQs or NSider forums.

I'm not trying to insult you, it just sounds like your in the wrong place.

I am not making the statement that the boards should lose the discussion of techs, because I like reading about them or tinkering with them here and there.

That is quite simply not the point whatsoever.

My point is that...when I go into a thread, and I talk with people, I should never have to be INSULTED over how I play a game. It is sheer ignorance, and it really gets annoying. I could understand quite well if I was saying, "DON'T USE TECHS, THEY ARE DUMB!" but I do not. I am just discussing the game with fellow Smash fans.

Quit bringing up the fact that I am "inferior" to you. Who cares ya know? The sad part is, even GAMEFAQS as well as NSIDER are boiling down to that base level...

 

[Takalth]

Can you link to 3 posts made in the last week where a competitve player made an unprovoked attack on a non-competitive one? (must be 3 different people)

I'm not talking about using the term "noob" or "scrub" simply because it was quicker and easier, but actually insulting the person and/or his playstyle.

I can think of very few times where a competitive player attacked a casual without the casual first either a) talking himself up ("I don't use advanced techs, but I could still own you), or b) attacked our playstyle.

Overall, there are far more attacks against the competitive players on this board than on the casuals, so this post could better be written from the other viewpoint.

 

[RetroRhythm]

You must have been really made fun of for you to post this, RetroRhythm.

But I have a feeling one person called you a scrub or something and you got super upset. Can you link to the specific post or thread that made you so angry?

I guess I'm not feeling too much sympathy for you. In general, people on Smashboards are quite nice. Sure, a few of us are total jerks, but that will happen anywhere. I really don't see how the people who use advanced techniques are part of some elitist cabal.

Did this all come out of a misunderstanding where you said you had skills without using advanced techs and someone lectured you? If you want to be very good at the game, you have to use advanced techs. There's no way around it. But there's nothing wrong with playing Smash the way you want to. I think most people here understand that.



Sorry to sound rude, but what do you expect? It isn't "slowing becoming a 'Scrubs vs. Pros' Board." It already is, but it's not that bad. Smashboards is the place where both casual players and tournament-winning professionals post. Think of what would happen if you were the best football player at your high school and you were having discussions about football with professional football players (notice I didn't disambiguate whether "football" refers to soccer or American football--take your pick). Would they take you seriously? Of course not. They would most likely get annoyed if you keep telling them how good you are. High school football is nothing compared to professional football.

I think you took something that is to be expected much too personally.

Again, sorry for sounding rude. I figure it would take too much work to make my reply nice and friendly.

It wasn't just one person, and they mainly occurred in pm's, they have been deleted. I have always watched over the boards, not diligently mind you, but every now and then. I find it ignorant how someone can just join a site, and get butchered and treated badly because they play differently and have a lower post count. That's just the surface though, and I got over that.

Define lecture. If lecture in your case means a logical person to person talk about why I should consider using advanced techs, then you are correct, as that is what a lecture is supposed to be; however....

If lecture means to completely trash talk and demean another person because they don't conform to a way they don't feel comfortable with, then I must have misread the definition of "lecture."

 

[RetroRhythm]

Can you link to 3 posts made in the last week where a competitve player made an unprovoked attack on a non-competitive one? (must be 3 different people)

I'm not talking about using the term "noob" or "scrub" simply because it was quicker and easier, but actually insulting the person and/or his playstyle.

I can think of very few times where a competitive player attacked a casual without the casual first either a) talking himself up ("I don't use advanced techs, but I could still own you), or b) attacked our playstyle.

Overall, there are far more attacks against the competitive players on this board than on the casuals, so this post could better be written from the other viewpoint.

I am not about to go through page after page after page to look for posts. I have a dialup connection, it would take WAY too long...

It could, except that it is not...because I am not the competitive player getting insulted, I am the non-competitive one.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Its your own fault if you suck at smash, then make johns about it, and get called a scrub.

I find it very hard to believe that someone who knew how to play high level melee would actually start insulting you, or anyone, unless you started beef with him/her about whatever stereotypical arguments you want to get into from wavedashing and brawl to tier lists to L cancelling.

And alphazealot is right about wavedashing not closing the gap in brawl, intelligent playing is what divides good players from bad. With a much easier technical game ahead of us in brawl, the players who have honed their split section decision making skills in melee who KNOW how smash works (its hard to explain) will still be the best players.

You could say we're arrogant, you could say scrubs are jealous. Because as it was pointed out earlier, theres much hatred on both sides, and its the classic example of a vicious cycle.

But smashboards is a competitive smash forum, most of competitive smash was made possible by this forum, so you cant come here and expect the general population of this forum to be casual players. Most of us are competitive players.

 

[Jammer]

Hmm... I haven't heard of anyone getting flamed in PMs. Of course, it's a private thing. The next time someone does that to you, assuming it really has happened, report them using the button. If they're being mean, then a moderator will warn them and possibly ban them. You can always talk about your problems in the special forum on the bottom of the main page.

If it's an every now and then thing, I guess it doesn't really surprise me. I mean, you're always going to have some bad apples. Some people are just extremely rude over the internet. I'm sorry you've seen the bad side of Smashboards. I hope that you can try to see the good side, which is by far the larger side, in my opinion.

I definitely don't think that flaming newbs is something more than a small minority of Smashers do. Most likely, the people who are flaming you aren't any good themselves.

 

[highsmasher]

The reason smashboards is seeing so much conflict is that because for years smashboards.com was the place to go to get information about how to do advanced techs. These boards were started by and for the competitive community. Now with brawl's release date nearing every 12 year old with a boner for brawl comes to these boards and brings their gamefaqs forum attitudes with them. basicly thinking that anything they don't understand is a glitch and shouldn't be in the game and anyone that disagrees with them is some kind of elitist *******.

Really, look at people's join dates and their opinions. Most of the conflict can be traced back to users who joined august 2007 and on.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

The reason smashboards is seeing so much conflict is that because for years smashboards.com was the place to go to get information about how to do advanced techs. These boards were started by and for the competitive community. Now with brawl's release date nearing every 12 year old with a boner for brawl comes to these boards and brings their gamefaqs forum attitudes with them. basicly thinking that anything they don't understand is a glitch and shouldn't be in the game and anyone that disagrees with them is some kind of elitist *******.

E-x-a-c-t-l-y

thats exactly it.

And then they wonder why they get flamed.

 

[Jammer]

And then they wonder why they get flamed.

Well, flaming is still wrong, of course.

It's made very clear in the forum rules that flaming, even of trolls, which are much worse than newbies, is very bad and can be grounds for banning.

 

[RetroRhythm]

The reason smashboards is seeing so much conflict is that because for years smashboards.com was the place to go to get information about how to do advanced techs. These boards were started by and for the competitive community. Now with brawl's release date nearing every 12 year old with a boner for brawl comes to these boards and brings their gamefaqs forum attitudes with them. basicly thinking that anything they don't understand is a glitch and shouldn't be in the game and anyone that disagrees with them is some kind of elitist *******.

Really, look at people's join dates and their opinions. Most of the conflict can be traced back to users who joined august 2007 and on.

That is an interesting theory...

but is it fair for those caught in that joined date average to be assumed to be the same kind of person as the others?

I sometimes wonder if it was a mistake joining here, as watching as a spectator was so much easier than trying to speak my mind about things and getting treated badly for it.

I just don't understand how, I don't insult anyones playstyle, and yet, I am **** near destroyed everytime I start out, "Well, I play casually and-"

 

[Ryudragon29]

The main focus of these boards is competitive play and advanced techniques. Thats what this forum has established itself as as, and nothing anyone says will ever change that. If all you want to do is talk about the game rather than the little tricks and tactics that make one person better at Melee than another, go to the GameFAQs or NSider forums.

I'm not trying to insult you, it just sounds like your in the wrong place.

Where does it says that? The rule established itself with those kind of people. The purpose is still the Smash series not the techniques.

 

[pure_awesome]

The reason smashboards is seeing so much conflict is that because for years smashboards.com was the place to go to get information about how to do advanced techs. These boards were started by and for the competitive community. Now with brawl's release date nearing every 12 year old with a boner for brawl comes to these boards and brings their gamefaqs forum attitudes with them. basicly thinking that anything they don't understand is a glitch and shouldn't be in the game and anyone that disagrees with them is some kind of elitist *******.

Right. And then there's the elitist pricks who think that anyone who disagrees with them is a 12 year old with a boner for brawl who has a join date after august 2007.

See? You can profile anyone if you try hard enough. But nice people don't do that.

 

[highsmasher]

no its not really fair. maybe you should hate on the people that cause that generalization to be accurate.

 

[Jammer]

I just don't understand how, I don't insult anyones playstyle, and yet, I am **** near destroyed everytime I start out, "Well, I play casually and-"

Ok, seriously, I don't understand how that is possible. I've seen some bad stuff happen here, but I've never seen someone get flamed just for saying they play casually. There is obviously something more that for some reason you are having trouble telling us.

I think it would be edifying if you found some examples of forum abuse so that moderators could crack down on it. From what I can tell, your accusations don't have much grounding.

 

[Doggalina]

These boards were started by and for the competitive community..

Actually, these boards were made before the competitive community existed. Gideon said so himself in an issue of Nintendo Power (the same issue and article that made me join SWF).

EDIT: I'm not "pro", but I use advanced techs and try to improve my game to the highest level possible. I don't play by some lame "honor code."

 

[highsmasher]

Right. And then there's the elitist pricks who think that anyone who disagrees with them is a 12 year old with a boner for brawl who has a join date after august 2007.

See? You can profile anyone if you try hard enough. But nice people don't do that.

The problem is people reading into things too much. I don't think that anyone that disagrees with me is a 12 year old with a boner for brawl. I think that 12 year olds with a boner for brawl are the reason that these boards are seeing so much more conflict. i am sorry you misunderstood me.

 

[Ryudragon29]

Really, look at people's join dates and their opinions. Most of the conflict can be traced back to users who joined august 2007 and on.

What a great prejudice....

 

[pure_awesome]

The problem is people reading into things too much. I don't think that anyone that disagrees with me is a 12 year old with a boner for brawl. I think that 12 year olds with a boner for brawl are the reason that these boards are seeing so much more conflict. i am sorry you misunderstood me.

If that is indeed what you meant, then I'm sorry I misunderstood you too, and I completely agree with that part of you argument.

 

[highsmasher]

Yes it is a prejudice, but its an accurate prejudice.

I am by no means saying that everyone with a join date of post july 2007 is a moron, but what I am saying is that a lot of the conflict is centered around people with join dates past this date.

I am as guilty as they are though as I state my opinion quite often.

 

[Dubyah8r]

Its your own fault if you suck at smash, then make johns about it, and get called a scrub.

I find it very hard to believe that someone who knew how to play high level melee would actually start insulting you, or anyone, unless you started beef with him/her about whatever stereotypical arguments you want to get into from wavedashing and brawl to tier lists to L cancelling.

Um... didn't you just insult him and then say that you find it hard to believe anyone would insult him... thats stupid.

btw. where does it say that this is a forum for competitive players only(although I consider myself one) ... i missed that somehow.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Right. And then there's the elitist pricks who think that anyone who disagrees with them is a 12 year old with a boner for brawl who has a join date after august 2007.

See? You can profile anyone if you try hard enough. But nice people don't do that.

Yes, but this forum was in fact made years ago to serve the advanced community and spread the word of competitive smash around the world.

Alphazealot is right, if you dont play a lot of people, you dont know how to play smash properly, its a strategy game, you cant be the best in the world at melee without effort, you cant even get past newbie status without even regular bi-weeklies, mew2king it up all you want against level one CPUs, you still gotta practice against people.

Now that brawl is coming out people are like ZOMG! SMASHBROS THE GAME= SMASHBOARDS THE COMMUNITY

no, thats entirely false. Im sure brawl and nintendo have official forums somewhere for casuals, and theres always gamefaqs but these boards are filled with competitive players, and the BRAWL SECTION is filled with a lot of really indifferent casual players that no one minds, and a good handful of scrubs and drama queens who like to cause drama playing martyr to the competitive players

''Dont any of you just PLAY the game? dont you have fun?'' Ive seen this question / weak argument raised at least 4000 times since january.

So itll go on endlessly, melee players vs people waiting for brawl, and the same kind of people will always appear

Guy who knows advanced techniques and has little tournament experience but is overly arrogant and HATES casuals

^^ That used to be ME by the way. Im 50 times better at smash now and have confidence about my skills that doesnt make me feel the need to act insecure and flame everyone. Ive changed since then.

Guy who doesnt know advanced techniques, and thinks they are glitches, is prone to pointing out that he has a ''life'' where as people who use AT's do nothing but play smash.

Guy who doesn't know advanced techniques, plays smash with his friends, is the strongest player among them and thinks that with the removal of wavedashing he will now be THE BEST PLAYER IN THE ****ING WORLD AT BRAWL.

^^

This guy, right here, we see him a lot in the brawl section. This attitude is what causes 90 perecent of the fights here.

we're all just gonna fight endlessly until the game comes out, and then the competitive community will do with it what they did to melee, the character specific forums will be buzzing with new techniques, people will stop being arrogant about how theyre going to be the best in the world and start asking advice, videos will appear, etc.

Itll be fine when the game comes out, until then there are too many ignorant scrubs in the brawl section for the intelligent posters to have any small kind of hope that this section of the forum will be worth reading (save a few threads) for the next little while.

Um... didn't you just insult him and then say that you find it hard to believe anyone would insult him... thats stupid.

no, because I said

Its your own fault if you suck at smash, then make johns about it, and get called a scrub.

IF turns the statement into a hypothetical one. It is impossible for me to have insulted him, as I am suggesting he will be classified as a scrub based on actions he has YET to do. These actions would be

1. Sucking at smash
2. making johns about it

This would make you a scrub. I dont know this guy, so how can I judge him? Hypothetical scenario implied by my phrasing.

Reading comprehension skills.. too much to ask brawl forums? Please don't call me stupid when you cant ****ing read. Thats a real oxymoron.

 

[Team Giza]

Scrub doesn't mean you suck at the game.

 

[trulomb@rdi]

stop crying, just dont enter the threads that u think the "pro's" are commenting in. if u dont have any input that wont get you a response that hurts your feelings stick to reading.....

 

[SirPenguin]

This isn't a simple question at all! Oh, TC, you and your tricks.

Anyways, I'll say one thing. Like it or not, Brawl will forever be a game with two faces: Competitive and Casual. Always always always always. The problem with this? Despite this split, it will always lean towards competition. Always always always always. Smash is a game you're meant to win. At the results screen, does it say, "THIS GAME'S WINNER IS: EVERYONE! YOU ALL GET GOLD STARS! LET'S ALL GIVE EACH OTHER A HUG!"

That's the nature of the beast. Just because you suck doesn't mean you should never play. But it shouldn't come as a shock when someone who is better than you comments on the fact.

Scrubs are just as bad as pros in the whining department.

 

[pure_awesome]

Yes, but this forum was in fact made years ago to serve the advanced community and spread the word of competitive smash around the world.

Actually, these boards were made before the competitive community existed. Gideon said so himself in an issue of Nintendo Power (the same issue and article that made me join SWF).

The rest of your post I pretty much agree with. Internet forums are host to far too wide a range of people to not see conflicts, especially when anonymity gives you such courage.