A SHFFL D-Air to insta edgehog?

[CoonTail]

I am an avid IC player but i pulled off a SHFFL'd D-air while playing a friend the other day while I was playing as solo Popo. I F-smashed him off the level and as he was coming back to the level while facing in the opposite direction I SHFFL'd the D-air but just as I hit the edge of the level with it Popo literally just grabbed the edge.
Now I am a big fan of SHFFL'd D-airs to down smash's in general and am quite good at landing them right on the edge of FD I guess this time since i was facing the other way when Popo went to stand he was already off the level and thus grabbed the ledge.

My question is has anyone done/seen this before and is it a trick worth using?

 

[Binx]

soulds like you ledgecancled your attack and the momentum carried you off for a hog, I dont know if it could be implimented into gameplay, I dont think the payoff is good enough for the risk involved because most if not all characters could just do another upb and make the stage, it would be really good against luigi though but hes the only character I see that being practical with, and thats still assuming he doesnt sweetspot in which case a fsmash is prolly safer/easier

 

[CoonTail]

I like your feedback Binx As far as its usefulness I saw this as more of a last second edgehog kinda thing i know the IC's have a huge wavedash but this as hard as it seems is not to rough for me I have pulled it a few times even since I posted this thread

I mean to use this to grab that edge real fast in case of emergency. Also like I said I am big on SHFFL'd D-airs to down smashes which are lightning fast for the IC's and wit jus Popo I use that lil SHFFL as a form of edge guarding. With that in mind I dunno mayb I jus see this as a nice bit of mindgames figuring I can either beat you out to the edge with an edge hog or have a down smash waiting for you

 

[Binx]

More options never really hurts, I havnt tried it yet, I just cant think of practical uses for it other than a free 8%, I dont jump much near the edge though so might just be me, as far as dair to dsmash be careful about CCs

 

[Lixivium]

You platform cancelled an aerial on the ledge. Nothing special, it can be done with any aerial and some B-moves as well.

There's no point to doing a D-air to an edgehog. Since you already have your back to the edge, WD -> edgehog is MUCH faster. The D-air isn't going to hit anybody that sweetspots. Even if you do hit them, they can generally recover before you can, unless they have no third jump.

 

[Binx]

You platform cancelled an aerial on the ledge. Nothing special, it can be done with any aerial and some B-moves as well.

There's no point to doing a D-air to an edgehog. Since you already have your back to the edge, WD -> edgehog is MUCH faster. The D-air isn't going to hit anybody that sweetspots. Even if you do hit them, they can generally recover before you can, unless they have no third jump.

Pretty much my previous point but worded much more nicely. I have seen Chu do ledgehopped dairs to hit people trying to make the stage, mostly against Marth for some free damage, you might able to do that and fall back on the corner into a ledgecancle and edgehog again... if it can work it might be usefull, Chu always makes the stage though so I dunno.

 

[CoonTail]

Lol ok well i cant argue with a smash lord and you do have good points guys. Lol I dont kno i did find it to be a bit stylish so who knows maybe ill just use it for fun but thanks for the feedback

PS: SHFFL'd D-air to downsmash still takes the cake as my fav single IC SHFFL

 

[Lixivium]

Pretty much my previous point but worded much more nicely. I have seen Chu do ledgehopped dairs to hit people trying to make the stage, mostly against Marth for some free damage, you might able to do that and fall back on the corner into a ledgecancle and edgehog again... if it can work it might be usefull, Chu always makes the stage though so I dunno.

It would take some very tricky DI, if it's possible at all, to ledgecancel a ledgehopped D-air (although I imagine that would look mad sexy).

 

[Delphiki]

I think it's quite easy. I use ledgecancelling all the time, and to practice them I do multiple ledgecancelled aerials, using only my second jump. It can be done with any character, and with ICs it's no trouble.

That would probably be really useful because most people will just Up+B immediately, putting them on the stage where you can stand up from the ledge and kill them.

 

[Lixivium]

I think it's quite easy. I use ledgecancelling all the time, and to practice them I do multiple ledgecancelled aerials, using only my second jump. It can be done with any character, and with ICs it's no trouble.

That would probably be really useful because most people will just Up+B immediately, putting them on the stage where you can stand up from the ledge and kill them.

But wouldn't they hit you with their Up-B if you were going for the ledge cancel?

 

[Binx]

I think the dair has more priority alot of the time against most up b's as well as having invincability frames from the edgehog

 

[Delphiki]

No Binx, because the I frames and the hitbox from the dair would have already been gone by the time their Up+B would get to you.

Lix - It depends on the Up+B. Fox/Falco/Falcon/Ganon/Luigi....anyone really that doesn't get much horizontal distance when they're just under the stage....can really be messed up. It also depends a bit on how quickly your opponent Up+B's again.

 

[CoonTail]

well now seein all these comments it seems that D-air on ledge in general against the above mentioned chars will do well not to mention the mindgames ill be able to use since I use the SHFFL D-air to down smash

 

[Binx]

Its fine to mix it up if you dont think they will sweetspot but wavedash fsmash/dsmash and edgehogging are almost always if not always a better option, but do what you like(want)