Winnar
Smash Lord
>> Hey all, second post ftw. So after watching everything I could find on Fumi (among others) and reading as many Self-Help threads as possible, I've reached a couple of conclusions.
The first is that I'm very tired right now, as it's getting rather early for me. When I start using words that don't make sense or pull a Malapropism (I think that's what it's called, like saying "It's not really that big, you're exasturbating!" See? Instead of exaggerate, I put in exasturbate. LOL ENGLISH LESSON) make sure you let me know and together we'll try to figure out what I mean. D:
I've tried being Yoshi off an on for about about a month now, I give up about every other week, and despite the practice I put in with ECE's and other ledge based techniques, I always end up gimping my second jump and dying. It gets very frustrating, especially when this happens in a real match instead of just in training, and I end up just giving up on ECE's despite their incredible utility. I've kind of accepted that there's just no better way to get the hang of it than to practice it and die a million times; however, if there is a better way, feel free to share. I just realized practicing on Corneria may be the root of my troubles, so I'll have to get back to you guys on that issue.
My next problem is that my brother, who is practically the only other good smasher I know, mains as Doc and Fox. He's semi-pro with both, but he understands that a combo of 4 weaker moves guaranteed to connect often are better than 2 that have punishable lag. Basically my matches with his Doc flow like this: I try to set him up for any combo possible while dodging his pills, tilts, and blankets. Usually this doesn't last long, acting defensively or offensively does little for what happens next, he gets me in a tilt to shffl to blanket to u-tilt etc. combo until my DI finally kicks in at about 60-90%. This is when things get a little more even for us, as I can usually stay alive as Yoshi until about 200%. In any case, this situation always results in my losing the match with him having anywhere from 1 to all 4 lives left. He says it's just an unnaturally disadvantageous match-up for Yoshi, but I suspect my inexperience with the green dinosaur has more to do with it. Are there any useful tips for handling the Doc as Yoshi?
I'm not as worried about Fox, because I haven't had to go up against him much. What I am worried about is the DJC and RDJC consistently being the cause of my deaths. I'm starting to be more conservative about using them, and that works well to keep myself from getting gimped so much, but I now have very few options for damage. About the only time I can almost safely use the RDJC is when I wait until I will be above him, but that's a risk in and of itself. I see Fumi use the no-knockback of the second jump to take down shfflers, but every time I try to do that it seems like the framerate is off and I end up missing the nair or bair and jump all the way before I can realize that what I tried is about to get me gimped. Is there any way to help counter this double-edged sword?
Also while trying to practice ECE's I found something weird and probably pointless out. When you're doing your double jump if you hug the edge then you can waveland backwards when it looks like you can't. Doing it perfectly you'll fly off the edge, but in most cases you'll grab onto the ledge. Not sure if there's any real use for this, maybe if you know you're about to do it you can use the invincibility frames and the shawk of it all to your advantage? Who knows, maybe it's just another option to get back to the ledge, though I've yet to use it anywhere but on all of Corneria's ledges. Also it may not be smart to try to do that while they're edgeguarding. You decide!
So if you bothered to read all that, then I'm pretty impressed. Since I know only about 10 of you won't just skip over it and read the next couple of posts, I'll make a summary:
Summary: I'm new to Yoshi, despite all my best efforts I haven't been able to tap into Yoshi's amazing potential, Doc murders me, and I'm getting pretty discouraged. Without some help or advice I'll be forced to give up on Yoshi, and I don't want to do that. Help?
Hey Shiri, is this the kind of page long post you've been looking for? >.>;
The first is that I'm very tired right now, as it's getting rather early for me. When I start using words that don't make sense or pull a Malapropism (I think that's what it's called, like saying "It's not really that big, you're exasturbating!" See? Instead of exaggerate, I put in exasturbate. LOL ENGLISH LESSON) make sure you let me know and together we'll try to figure out what I mean. D:
I've tried being Yoshi off an on for about about a month now, I give up about every other week, and despite the practice I put in with ECE's and other ledge based techniques, I always end up gimping my second jump and dying. It gets very frustrating, especially when this happens in a real match instead of just in training, and I end up just giving up on ECE's despite their incredible utility. I've kind of accepted that there's just no better way to get the hang of it than to practice it and die a million times; however, if there is a better way, feel free to share. I just realized practicing on Corneria may be the root of my troubles, so I'll have to get back to you guys on that issue.
My next problem is that my brother, who is practically the only other good smasher I know, mains as Doc and Fox. He's semi-pro with both, but he understands that a combo of 4 weaker moves guaranteed to connect often are better than 2 that have punishable lag. Basically my matches with his Doc flow like this: I try to set him up for any combo possible while dodging his pills, tilts, and blankets. Usually this doesn't last long, acting defensively or offensively does little for what happens next, he gets me in a tilt to shffl to blanket to u-tilt etc. combo until my DI finally kicks in at about 60-90%. This is when things get a little more even for us, as I can usually stay alive as Yoshi until about 200%. In any case, this situation always results in my losing the match with him having anywhere from 1 to all 4 lives left. He says it's just an unnaturally disadvantageous match-up for Yoshi, but I suspect my inexperience with the green dinosaur has more to do with it. Are there any useful tips for handling the Doc as Yoshi?
I'm not as worried about Fox, because I haven't had to go up against him much. What I am worried about is the DJC and RDJC consistently being the cause of my deaths. I'm starting to be more conservative about using them, and that works well to keep myself from getting gimped so much, but I now have very few options for damage. About the only time I can almost safely use the RDJC is when I wait until I will be above him, but that's a risk in and of itself. I see Fumi use the no-knockback of the second jump to take down shfflers, but every time I try to do that it seems like the framerate is off and I end up missing the nair or bair and jump all the way before I can realize that what I tried is about to get me gimped. Is there any way to help counter this double-edged sword?
Also while trying to practice ECE's I found something weird and probably pointless out. When you're doing your double jump if you hug the edge then you can waveland backwards when it looks like you can't. Doing it perfectly you'll fly off the edge, but in most cases you'll grab onto the ledge. Not sure if there's any real use for this, maybe if you know you're about to do it you can use the invincibility frames and the shawk of it all to your advantage? Who knows, maybe it's just another option to get back to the ledge, though I've yet to use it anywhere but on all of Corneria's ledges. Also it may not be smart to try to do that while they're edgeguarding. You decide!
So if you bothered to read all that, then I'm pretty impressed. Since I know only about 10 of you won't just skip over it and read the next couple of posts, I'll make a summary:
Summary: I'm new to Yoshi, despite all my best efforts I haven't been able to tap into Yoshi's amazing potential, Doc murders me, and I'm getting pretty discouraged. Without some help or advice I'll be forced to give up on Yoshi, and I don't want to do that. Help?
Hey Shiri, is this the kind of page long post you've been looking for? >.>;
