A discussion on ridley (SPOILERS)

[drag0nscythe]

I think Sakurai did really well in making his boss fights, but while I was fighting him I began to think. He is not to big. All the arguments on the many fourms I look at also seem to bring his size up as an issue.

EDIT: So, here a mockup to show ridley would work
http://drag0nscythe.deviantart.com/art/New-challenger-Ridley-81326386

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She's better than krystal:
http://drag0nscythe.deviantart.com/art/Kat-Adventure-81191403

 

[ZenJestr]

exactly...the boss fight can be easily explained as a Shadow Bug Ridley and after you defeat Meta Ridley his trophy appears and the story can continue from there...

 

[PwnyRide]

Thats not proof. That's just some really crappy photoshopping.

 

[drag0nscythe]

exactly...the boss fight can be easily explained as a Shadow Bug Ridley and after you defeat Meta Ridley his trophy appears and the story can continue from there...

I agree there.

Thats not proof. That's just some really crappy photoshopping.

It is proof. It shows that his size could be changed and he would still look like a bad *** space dragon.
and as far as crappy. I can see one image that is really bad, but the rest look really fine. I would like to see you do better.

 

[ZenJestr]

you cant deny that Ridley couldve fit in perfectly as a playable character AND as a boss if all he did was add some A moves, grabs, taunts and all that other good stuff to his playable form and resized him too (the boss form could stay the same)...

 

[A New Challenger]

First off, who is this a spoiler for? If you haven't played through SSE by now, you probably never will because your poor family lives in a refrigerator box. Everyone and their mom has brawl, at this point.

Secondly, that guy failed at Photoshop.

Third, a Ridley isn't too big thread? Jesus kid, welcome to this time last year.

 

[drag0nscythe]

First off, who is this a spoiler for? If you haven't played through SSE by now, you probably never will because your poor family lives in a refrigerator box. Everyone and their mom has brawl, at this point.

Secondly, that guy failed at Photoshop.

Thats easy to say. Got any proof on that statement, or are you just blowing noise.

 

[Tinkerer]

It is proof. It shows that his size could be changed and he would still look like a bad *** space dragon.

Haha, no. He looks ******** in those pictures, especially in the one with Ganondorf.

 

[ZenJestr]

all he did was resize and put pics of Ridley from SSE...Im pretty sure it was meant to show that it could work...

 

[Tinkerer]

But he didn't show that. He only showed, again, that Ridley looks stupid when shrunk.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Haha, no. He looks ******** in those pictures, especially in the one with Ganondorf.

I guess Sakurai made him look ******** than. That is where I got all the ridley images from.

all he did was resize and put pics of Ridley from SSE...Im pretty sure it was meant to show that it could work...

That is what I did. Took pictures in brawl and resized them.

 

[A New Challenger]

Thats easy to say. Got any proof on that statement, or are you just blowing noise.

Proof on what statement? That he failed at Photoshop? You posted that proof already, with his ****ty res mis-matched images.

That everyone already owns Brawl? Once again, proof right here - Smashboards is flooded with hundreds of thousands of ******* each minute making useless threads about it.

 

[Rash]

He could be bigger than that and it would still work. Heck, it would work if he was 1.5 times the size of what you have him as in the pics. Bigger than that might be stretching it, but, I think it's almost as important not to make Ridley too small as well. The way you have him there just doesn't look right.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Proof on what statement? That he failed at Photoshop? You posted that proof already, with his ****ty res mis-matched images.

That everyone already owns Brawl? Once again, proof right here - Smashboards is flooded with hundreds of thousands of ******* each minute making useless threads about it.

Not really proof. The res I can understand for 1 image, not for the rest.
as for brawl being proof he cannot be playable. get an imagination.

He could actually be bigger than that, and it would still work.

You think? I thought that when I was making it, but then I said to myself. If I make him to big, I could run into a problem.

 

[A New Challenger]

Oh. It's YOUR DeviantART page. Hence the defense. Gotcha.

With that said, wow. For the lulz.

 

[hippochinfat!!]

He looks extremely stupid and small in those pictures.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Oh. It's YOUR DeviantART page. Hence the defense. Gotcha.

With that said, wow. For the lulz.

Yeah. As I said before, the quality of some of the images are bad, but it was best I could do with the materials at hand.

He looks extremely stupid and small in those pictures.

He actually looks like a resized ridley. I took the images strait from the game. and then resized them to fit in the small boxes.

 

[Tinkerer]

I guess Sakurai made him look ******** than. That is where I got all the ridley images from.
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No. Sakurai made him right for the size that he has in Brawl. Ridley has always been big. He's a really thin and bony piece of poor dragon, so he needs to be. I've got nothing against Ridley, but he was never a good candidate for being playable.

 

[drag0nscythe]

No. Sakurai made him right for the size that he has in Brawl. Ridley has always been big. He's a really thin and bony piece of poor dragon, so he needs to be. I've got nothing against Ridley, but he was never a good candidate for being playable.

He is a good candidate to be playable. This proves that being bony can still work when your small.

 

[Tinkerer]

What proves that? There's nothing that does that.

 

[drag0nscythe]

What proves that? There's nothing that does that.

If you can get past the quality of some of the images. I think he looks line being that size next to bowser.

 

[E.G.G.M.A.N.]

Ridley doesn't need to be as thin as the original if he his resized. He has had his design tweaked more than once and could easily be accommodated as a playable character. Just look at Omega Ridley from Metroid Prime 3(proportion-wise) if you want a "thicker" less boney ridley while still keeping the basic design elements that make Ridley recognizable. You can also get a feeling of how he would walk/jump/etc. (Omega ridley spends most of his time on the ground)
The too big argument has gotten way out of proportion in my opinion. It's become something of weird fad/trend/whatever.

 

[That_Move_is_Key]

I agree that he could be bigger and still work, AND be a relatively heavy character. He should be DK big at least (tail not included) and not a quick character, sort of like Samus, I think. He'd have his share of quick moves, such as tail grind (which would seek the ground if executed airborne) and range with the fireball so he slower moves wouldn't always have to be relied on.

and imagine his taunts; one of them would be an epic screech/howl - like Wolf's side one, but more dire.

 

[Tinkerer]

If you can get past the quality of some of the images. I think he looks line being that size next to bowser.

That's no "proof", that's your opinion in a picture.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I agree that he could be bigger and still work, AND be a relatively heavy character. He should be DK big at least (tail not included) and not a quick character, sort of like Samus, I think. He'd have his share of quick moves, such as tail grind (which would seek the ground if executed airborne) and range with the fireball so he slower moves wouldn't always have to be relied on.

and imagine his taunts; one of them would be an epic screech/howl - like Wolf's side one, but more dire.

epic screech/howl - that would be an awesome taunt.
well, if multiple people think it, I can go back and try to make him slightly bigger.

That's no "proof", that's your opinion in a picture.

Haven't you noticed most people need pictures to see an illustrated point. If I just say he is not to big, people will just yell back that he is. If I supply an image to show that he could work small, they have to think about it first. Having an image makes it easier to explain because it puts everyone on the same page.

It is like the desk question. If I say picture a desk, no one person will think of the same exact desk. If I show a picture of a desk, people will know what I am talking about.

 

[That_Move_is_Key]

there's also no need to say he's ultra-light; he could easily be heavier than or around the weight of G&W, and game and watch isn't an ultra-light character, only moderately light.

 

[drag0nscythe]

there's also no need to say he's ultra-light; he could easily be heavier than or around the weight of G&W, and game and watch isn't an ultra-light character, only moderately light.

Good point. I can go back and fix it.
Let me save these comments.

 

[Tinkerer]

Haven't you noticed most people need pictures to see an illustrated point. If I just say he is not to big, people will just yell back that he is. If I supply an image to show that he could work small, they have to think about it first. Having an image makes it easier to explain because it puts everyone on the same page.

It is like the desk question. If I say picture a desk, no one person will think of the same exact desk. If I show a picture of a desk, people will know what I am talking about.

I totally agree, but that doesn't make it proof. Proof is something that shows that a statement is undeniable. This doesn't do that.

Although in the end, this whole debat boils down to opinions anyway.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Ridley could've been playable. The Ridley that Samus and Pikachu fought could've been in the form of Shadow Bugs, but it wouldn't fight like an actual boss.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I totally agree, but that doesn't make it proof. Proof is something that shows that a statement is undeniable. This doesn't do that.

Although in the end, this whole debat boils down to opinions anyway.

I agree there. My statement may have been an over generalization, but to its credit, it is to get peoples attention. I think people would not have payed much attention to it if it was worded
"A mockup to show ridley would work"
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Actually that title is not to bad. I should probably change it to that.

But, yes it is all opinion.

 

[test-object]

It's not the matter that he is too big, it's the fact he's an awesome boss. Not a PC. Don't you think it's ridiculous if Ridley got beaten by someone like Jigglypuff?

Oh, BTW, the resized Ridley seriously fails. C'mon, he looks weak.

 

[drag0nscythe]

It's not the matter that he is too big, it's the fact he's an awesome boss. Not a PC. Don't you think it's ridiculous if Ridley got beaten by someone like Jigglypuff?

Oh, BTW, the resized Ridley seriously fails. C'mon, he looks weak.

I find it ridiculous that Ganondorf and Bowser are getting beat by Jigglypuff.
They are still playable though,

 

[Phaazoid]

ridley would have been the perfect playable character.... R.I.P club RIDLEY...

too bad they made him two bosses... ridley should have been playable while meta-ridley as a boss, then everyone would be happy.

 

[JJJ.Brawler]

K, anyone who is stil saying Ridley wouldn't fit is ********. Obviously he would have been able to fit because he looks perfectly fine in all of them. He doesn't look bad at all.

 

[drag0nscythe]

ridley would have been the perfect playable character.... R.I.P club RIDLEY...

too bad they made him two bosses... ridley should have been playable while meta-ridley as a boss, then everyone would be happy.

I agree. The shadow bug idea seems to make alot of sense to me. I would go with it,

K, anyone who is stil saying Ridley wouldn't fit is ********. Obviously he would have been able to fit because he looks perfectly fine in all of them. He doesn't look bad at all.

Thanks.

 

[~N9NE~]

Who honestly gives a **** anymore.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Who honestly gives a **** anymore.

rid;ey fans.
hopefuls that there will be DLC in the future for brawl.
People who want Brawl 4.
People still mad that he did not make it.

 

[~N9NE~]

Everyone has either accepted it and moved on

or

not accepted it and just moved on regardless.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Everyone has either accepted it and moved on

or

not accepted it and just moved on regardless.

You must not read gamefaqs. People are still arguing about his size there.

 

[That_Move_is_Key]

It's safe to assume that everyone who's posted so far care, because they've posted. If everyone has indeed moved on as you claim, this thread would not have been made, and, more importantly, would've died already.