56K's Ganon! Critique?

[Endless Nightmares]

Vid of my Ganon

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=J1teCDqCpIE

MN Meltdown Winners Finals

Who else is man enough to use Ganon in a Winners Final?

 

[Lex Crunch]

You obviously know how to use the moves (good rising down aerial especially), but you're not aggresive enough and your evasive and defensive tactics need serious work. It also seemed that outside of recovering, specials did not exist in your subconcious. I saw so many opportunities to Flame Choke that were passed, and there was no Murder Kick if I'm remembering right. Definitely work on that. Some more grabbing couldn't hurt, either. Forward throwing them at decent damage off the edge and hitting them with a decisive move (like, any aerial, basically) is always satisfying and mostly easy. That's all I've got to say.

 

[SaltyKracka]

In his defense, you can barely techchase Lucario with Flame Choke, let alone do any of the guaranteed combos. I will say that the whole of your second stock was the perfect time to Ganoncide, though. As well, you really need to learn to time your aerials.

 

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Lucario is a hard match-up, and in the end you managed to do well - evading his crazy range and punishing laggy smashes with fsmash was a pretty good way to go. Although, you definitely chose the wrong stage, Smashville is flat so it's ideal for Lucario to spam Aura Sphere and force you to approach, which is definitely not Ganondorf's strong point.

Also no Flame Choke = bad for you. Use it, even if you don't have guaranteed options like against Lucario. You can still techchase him and get some easy (and really fancy) damage in.

Forward throw > Down throw... It does more damage, you can usually follow up with Wizkick (down B) offstage to edgeguarding. Lucario's recovery isn't super good, compared to other recoveries in the high tier, so edgeguarding him with tipman would've been ideal.

Don't use Fair to approach. It's best if you limit yourselves to using fair onstage, because it can hurt you, especially to a character as Lucario, who can easily punish and combo you.

Also, every Ganondorf main is manly enough to use him in EVERY tournament match...

 

[hyperstation]

Also, every Ganondorf main is manly enough to use him in EVERY tournament match...

QFT, homie.

 

[GotenOnNimbus]

B Button broken?

I'm not the superbest Ganon player out there (maybe lack of tournaments in my area? >.>' ) but a couple of those fully charged Auras could have been avoided, and Wizkick and Gerudo coulda helped out a lot. Who cares if you don't get the followup with Gerudo? He stops moving and must choose a recover option.

Lemme put it this way: in a Gan-Gan vs. Gan-Gan match, you'd probably struggle against a Ganon that's using Wizkick and Gerudo.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Also, every Ganondorf main is manly enough to use him in EVERY tournament match...

*Cough me *Cough

 

[Dragmire]

yo 56K nice stuff fortunately I know DD's lucario and managed to beat him with ganon but just braggin

but definetly since lucario's a bad matchup for ganon I'm impressed that you beat him up that nicely very defensive is the way for ganon to go

 

[qerkdtx]

Use B more and you could do a lot better.

Still not bad at all however.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

idk if people have noticed but I'm kinda playing a Melee Ganon in that match...hence the lack of B

I play Ganon a lot but I never looked up stuff about him, but that changes today!

 

[Shadow Nataku]

That doesn't really mean an awful lot.

Ganon's Side-B was still a great attack stopper/launcher move and his Down-B was far more beastly than in Brawl. Simply because it could be used both as a recovery and had way less lag, higher priority and if you were lucky enough to hit a wall the recoil was actually a blessing with the setups it allowed for. His Up-B was about the same though, Brawl version is a better recovery move and easier to connect with, but Melee version had serious spike potential.

Either way my personal feelings on your Ganon is you basically have a great spacing/A game and I see little lag. But as others mention, you seem to have an allergic reaction to B moves and shield/dodging. It just makes you too vulnerable really and miss way too many attack opportunities.

Though in all fairness Ganny's B moves all get ***** by Lucario's insane range and hitboxes. Doesn't excuse you from dodging/shielding more though.

 

[A2ZOMG]

WTF, You are NOW maining GANON out of all characters?

Dude, we ****ing need another guy to kick *** in the G&W forums. Why aren't YOU there?

And btw, your Ganon sucks. =P

Anyhow, let me tell you something about Ganon. Ganon in Brawl is about abusing the shield and punishing people after they hit your shield. Like seriously, I don't remember you doing that at all...

Also, Forward B moar. Well, it's not all that useful against Lucario except for techchasing and increased grab range, but it's amazing since it gets a ****load of guarenteed D-tilt, Jab, and F-tilt combos on over half the cast. INCLUDING MK!!!!

Down-B is a good attack for punishing spotdodges and other attacks from a distance.

Dash attack is also good for punishing and it eats through projectiles.

You spotdodge too much. Ganon's spotdodge is a bad one, so use it less pls.

I dunno, in general, I thought you made a lot of pretty bad choices. You used defensive options in very bad places. You didn't make particularly good choices to punish your opponent. Also you didn't really find any opportunity to properly exploit Ganon's amazing edgeguarding, which saddens me. =(

 

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*Cough me *Cough

You also use Link though

gtfo

lol just playing :D

 

[Endless Nightmares]

lol I main Ganon in Melee so I am repping him in my avatar and mini-avatar.

Ganon's one of my side characters so I just picked him since Disciple beat all of my mains quite solidly. This was the closest match IIRC >_>

That doesn't really mean an awful lot.

In Melee a failed side B or down B led to huge punishment for Ganon =\

 

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Now that you mention it - you did play him the Melee way. But that just doesn't work, sorry to say. :/

 

[Shadow Nataku]

In Melee a failed side B or down B led to huge punishment for Ganon =\

I'm aware but it also connected quite easily as I recall. I'm just saying Ganon wasn't restricted to A moves only in Melee. Then again I was a Jigglypuff main back in Melee and he had little in the way of punishibility so maybe I'm used to Side-B's...