Smash 3DS 3DS Version = Glorified Beta?

[BBG|Scott-Spain]

When you take a look at the development schedule this game has gone through, it's kind of hard to believe how "complete" this game is going to be.

I have this strange feeling that the initial release of this game is going to be buggy, especially after finding out that Sakurai went with a blitz-style of Q.A. by hiring a large number of testers over a relatively short amount of time. (I'm basing this off of his latest Famitsu article.)

I'm not even going to consider where this leaves the competitive balance of this game. That's a whole other can of worms that I'm sure has been or will be discussed, but properly addressed with future title support. (I'm assuming of course, but it feels obvious at this point.)

Am I the only one who thinks this game will be "incomplete" or "unpolished" initially?

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Nonsense. This is Smash Bros. If the 3ds version was a glorified beta it wouldn't be sold for full price like the Wii U version. If the 3ds version was a glorified beta then there would be riots worse than the Brawl riots.
This isn't Gearbox, Ubisoft or EA we're talking about. This is Nintendo.

 

[ChikoLad]

To be perfectly blunt, the 3DS has way more content than the Wii U version right now, in terms of what the public know, even discounting the recent leak. So no, I don't think it's a glorified beta. 3DS version is Smash 4, Wii U version is Smash 5, as far as I'm concerned. I only refer to both as Smash 4 or as "versions" when posting/talking because everyone else doing so has made me do it by force of habit.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

When you take a look at the development schedule this game has gone through, it's kind of hard to believe how "complete" this game is going to be.

I have this strange feeling that the initial release of this game is going to be buggy, especially after finding out that Sakurai went with a blitz-style of Q.A. by hiring a large number of testers over a relatively short amount of time. (I'm basing this off of his latest Famitsu article.)

I'm not even going to consider where this leaves the competitive balance of this game. That's a whole other can of worms that I'm sure has been or will be discussed, but properly addressed with future title support. (I'm assuming of course, but it feels obvious at this point.)

Am I the only one who thinks this game will be "incomplete" or "unpolished" initially?

As a poster said above me, this is unsupported nonsense.

Nintendo is most well known for the level of polish they put on all of their exclusives. This is Smash Bros. You can expect that stereotype in full force here.

You don't know much about the game because you don't own it yet. Smash tends to be better with surprises.

To me it's a portable version of Smash 4. No reason to separate it so far from Smash Wii U like its a different game.

 

[Hokori]

With a huge team working on the game, literally bringing in hundreds of people just for testing/debugging, etc, etc that I really don't need to go over, I'd be flabbergasted (yes, flabbergasted) if the game turned out to be "incomplete" or "unpolished". Even from the PotDs we can see how much detail is going into this game. So much so that some members think that some of the attention to detail is a bit over-the-top or unnecessary.

I'm sure that they're well aware of how big this release will be. We're dealing with perfectionists, and I'm confident that the game will show off all of their hard work.

I also feel the need to say that the potential lack of some personal desires (certain characters, advanced techniques, etc) does not mean that the game is unfinished/unpolished. Figured I'd throw that out there since some people try to bash something just because it doesn't have everything they'd like to see rather than universal wants/needs. Not exactly referring to you here, Scott.

I'll probably be monitoring this thread for awhile in case it turns into a flame fest (let's avoid that ). People can sometimes involve their own personal feelings and if someone doesn't agree with, problems may arise...

 

[Raijinken]

3DS Version = Smash Bros for 3DS.

It will be complete. No Smash Run on the U version, so that one's more likely to feel lacking to me =P

 

[TryHardOliver]

Nonsense. This is Smash Bros. If the 3ds version was a glorified beta it wouldn't be sold for full price like the Wii U version. If the 3ds version was a glorified beta then there would be riots worse than the Brawl riots.
This isn't Gearbox, Ubisoft or EA we're talking about. This is Nintendo.

Amen

 

[LIQUID12A]

Another inferiority argument?

Meh.

 

[Stalkos]

It's very simple.

The Smash WiiU is the version you will be able to play at your living room.
The Smash 3DS is the version you will be able to play in at your living room, your room, the bathroom, in the car, in the bus, and so on...

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

From what I've heard the 3DS version was the original choice. Also since it's coming out first, any bad publicity will harm the Wii U sales.

 

[hichez50]

When has anyone played a broken Nintendo game. Even older games such as OOT don't break too often with exploits. Nintendo track record for 3DS and Wii U has been outstanding. I don't see why this would change with smash 3DS.

 

[skyluigi2]

Smash 3DS is definitely not a glorified beta. It's clear that just as much effort has been put into the 3DS version, if not more so than the Wii U version, especially with modes like Smash Run.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

Tired of seeing all these threads about the 3DS version being nothing more than a Wii U demo. They're completely different games with completely different features. So to answer your question, no, it will not be a glorified beta. It'll be it's own full game, "Super Smash Bros for 3DS"

 

[Aureola]

...Why in the world would Nintendo release a beta of a game and put this much effort into showing it off? I've wondered that every single time one of these threads come up. This version is a full game that can stand by itself. It's not a watered-down Wii U version.

 

[LancerStaff]

The 3DS version was originally the only version. If anything, the Wii U version will be inferior because Sakurai spent a ton of time thinking up 3DS features.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

It's not a watered-down Wii U version.

I wish people understood this. Just because it's a handheld vs a console doesn't automatically mean on is better than the other. If anything I'd think they'd put more effort in the 3DS version because not only is it coming out first but it will likely get more sales.

 

[Reila]

Tired of seeing all these threads about the 3DS version being nothing more than a Wii U demo

I am tired of that too. I wish this kind of thread were locked as soon as a moderator sees them, since they are most of time baiting/trolling.

The 3DS version is its own game. It is not a beat nor it is inferior or superior to Smash Wii U, Brawl Melee or 64. It is Smash 3DS and nothing else.

 

[Zero Suit Wario]

Someone's jealous that their most anticipated version is coming out second, no?

 

[Renji64]

It isn't a beta it is it's own thing it is the only handheld/portable smash. I still like it and dislike it for possibly being the reason ice climbers are cut. But 3ds and WiiU will be night and day just same roster.

 

[YamiKitsune]

The only way AT ALL the 3DS will be inferior to the WiiU version is the graphics. And those don't even bother me. I just want one fun smash. And I think the 3DS version will give us that fun.

 

[YT123]

The 3DS version was originally the only version. If anything, the Wii U version will be inferior because Sakurai spent a ton of time thinking up 3DS features.

Source?

 

[LancerStaff]

Source?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66318156&postcount=1

I'm sure there's a more official version, but I don't have the time to look right now.

 

[TheZapp]

Why do people even make threads like this...
THEY ARE BOTH SMASH GAMES AND THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR ADVANTAGES
/THREAD

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

I think many of you might be taking this out of context a bit. As the way i see it is the 3DS is it's own completely polished thing but that it still is acting as a sort of "beta" test in terms of character balance. Lets say we discover some OP exploits with specific characters that are game breaking or just overly advantageous. Sakurai and the dev team can use the data gathered from players playing the 3DS version to make these character changes to the wii U version and when the Wii U version hits release a patch for the 3DS that updates it to be like the wii u version. So essentially the 3DS version can act as a global beta test for finding exploits that couldn't be found with the games closed testing that was done before launch.

I find it pretty hard to believe that sakurai and the dev team won't make absolutely no changes between 2 months or so of the 3ds and wii u versions. especially given that the months between both versions is dedicated specifically for debugging what better way to find issues and address them than to use the feedback from players across the world. It just would seem like a missed opportunity to create a better product imo if they avoided this option.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=66318156&postcount=1

I'm sure there's a more official version, but I don't have the time to look right now.

Lol the Wii U version was only made so people could play on a big screen.

 

[Reila]

Lol the Wii U version was only made so people could play on a big screen.

So much for the Wii U version being the definitive version

 

[LancerStaff]

I think many of you might be taking this out of context a bit. As the way i see it is the 3DS is it's own completely polished thing but that it still is acting as a sort of "beta" test in terms of character balance. Lets say we discover some OP exploits with specific characters that are game breaking or just overly advantageous. Sakurai and the dev team can use the data gathered from players playing the 3DS version to make these character changes to the wii U version and when the Wii U version hits release a patch for the 3DS that updates it to be like the wii u version. So essentially the 3DS version can act as a global beta test for finding exploits that couldn't be found with the games closed testing that was done before launch.

I find it pretty hard to believe that sakurai and the dev team won't make absolutely no changes between 2 months or so of the 3ds and wii u versions. especially given that the months between both versions is dedicated specifically for debugging what better way to find issues and address them than to use the feedback from players across the world. It just would seem like a missed opportunity to create a better product imo if they avoided this option.

Of course. But the topic title is implying the 3DS version exists only to be a beta, and that's clearly not the case.

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

No. It's a handheld version of the latest Super Smash Brothers. You know, the one you can play on the bus or in the car, or on the toilet when you're out of Wii U gamepad range.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Nintendo is extremely thourough. If they do miss something, they will be on that immediately. But for most of us, the game will be fine.

 

[Code Bread]

Smash 3DS is just Smash WiiU with less c-stick and more Smash Run.
Doesn't sound like a beta to me.

 

[Jae]

The 3DS version is far from a "glorified beta".

I'll never understand why some see it as an "inferior version" of the Wii U version. Because it's a portable Smash? 3DS game cards don't have the capacity to hold as much data as the Wii U disc?
That didn't stop the Sakurai and the developers from putting loads of content into the game. They're related but they do have their differences, take Smash Run for example.

Yeah, maybe the Wii U version might have more content, but Smash Bros. for 3DS is its own game, not some demo or trial version for the Wii U version.

 

[Ganreizu]

It's very simple.

The Smash WiiU is the version you will be able to play at your living room.
The Smash 3DS is the version you will be able to play in at your living room, your room, the bathroom, in the car, in the bus, and so on...

But i can play the wii u in my living room, my room, my bathroom, AND my car...

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

But i can play the wii u in my living room, my room, my bathroom, AND my car...

But I can play the 3DS everywhere

 

[Code Bread]

But i can play the wii u in my living room, my room, my bathroom, AND my car...

I can play my 3DS in your living room, your room, your bathroom, and your car too.

 

[Stalkos]

But i can play the wii u in my living room, my room, my bathroom, AND my car...

You have a very strange bathroom and car then.

 

[BBG|Scott-Spain]

Most of you are misconstruing what I'm trying to say, so I'll elaborate.

I'm not saying this version of the game will be inferior.

I'm also not saying that this version of the game won't provide a full experience.

However, when you consider the development schedule this game has been on (specifically the Q.A. side of it), this release window is very tight. This is why I'm assuming the 3DS version will initially function as a beta to look into unforeseen interactions before the console release. It doesn't mean it will always be that way. Just initially.

 

[Meru.]

Nonsense. This is Smash Bros. If the 3ds version was a glorified beta it wouldn't be sold for full price like the Wii U version. If the 3ds version was a glorified beta then there would be riots worse than the Brawl riots.
This isn't Gearbox, Ubisoft or EA we're talking about. This is Nintendo.

Nintendo is most well known for the level of polish they put on all of their exclusives. This is Smash Bros. You can expect that stereotype in full force here.

Actually, it has often been argued that Brawl is an unfinished game that needed further polishing, but was released because the release date had already been delayed a few times. I don't remember everything that should and could have been fixed quite easily but weren't due to their hurry to release the game as soon as possible, but some examples would include the fact that Snake's hitframe was made considerably smaller, but the hitboxes of his tilts as well as his weight remained unchanged by accident, or that Peach's was invincible from frame 19 instead of 29, or stuff like people being able to hit Ganondorf out of his Up B on hit. Brawl, Smash 3DS's predecessor, is evidently an unfinished game, released by Nintendo.

 

[SuperSah]

I don't even want to entertain this thread.

Smash 3DS is a complete game. This is Sakurai we're talking about, Sakurai.

 

[Smashbro596]

When has anyone played a broken Nintendo game. Even older games such as OOT don't break too often with exploits. Nintendo track record for 3DS and Wii U has been outstanding. I don't see why this would change with smash 3DS.

well the only broken games with nintendo characters are the ones not having anything to do with nintendo other than licensing. (LOOKING AT YOU EDUTAINMENT MARIO GAMES AND CDI GAMES) aside from those, nintendo usually hits home with polish, :3 even if mewtwo or ridley isnt there, you know i would eat it up and still love it. smash without mewtwo to me is like eating ice cream but missing a few key toppings, im gonna still love it, but i just wish they could have put those toppings on. besides, i have a feeling pac-man, the villager and megaman will all be my new mains so i cant be too torn up with a few missing characters i really, really wanted in right? besides, smash bros. on the go!! you just cant beat that idea. :3
the wii u version is potentially going to be the more "traditional" smash, while the 3ds will probably be the "new" and "brave" one. i am ignoring the fact that at least ten (or more, i highly doubt we are seeing everything, i do not even know how many secrets will be crammed in) will be recycled from brawl and melee, because the new stages excite me all the same. done rambling though

 

[Deleted member]

Smash Bros. 3DS won't be a glorified beta. I think it'll offer a new game experience (because it's on a handheld) , compared to the Wii U game, but that's just me. Like SuperSah said, it'll be a complete game.