35= Debunked

[blayde_axel]

Why even mention ROB 64 from Star Fox if the people that leaked information said that the R.O.B. NES accessory is the one that is supposively playable? These two characters are both different. Also, so far, we can't really assume that R.O.B. NES accessory will be just a common enemy. I think there are more to them than being just enemies.

Look at that! Enemies from Subspace!

I'm going from what ShortFuse said. He was saying that the picture in the mock-up was wrong, and that it was supposed to be ROB64.

But anyway, I was responding to the whole Ganondorf thing. ROBNES was disconfirmed with that there article.

Off Topic: "The escort the Ancient Minister brings with him is a R.O.B squad?!"

Is that really bad english, or is it just me?

 

[Rodriguezjr]

Look at that! Enemies from Subspace!

I'm going from what ShortFuse said. He was saying that the picture in the mock-up was wrong, and that it was supposed to be ROB64.

But anyway, I was responding to the whole Ganondorf thing. ROBNES was disconfirmed with that there article.

Off Topic: "The escort the Ancient Minister brings with him is a R.O.B squad?!"

Is that really bad english, or is it just me?

But, we still don't know what purpose R.O.B. serves to the Anicent Minister. Why would the Ancient Minister bring a R.O.B. Squad when he can always summon Primids to do his work for him?

 

[blayde_axel]

But, we still don't know what purpose R.O.B. serves to the Anicent Minister. Why would the Ancient Minister bring a R.O.B. Squad when he can always summon Primids to do his work for him?

Same thing goes for every other enemy, wouldn't you say? lol.

It also seems odd that there are actually two different ROB's. They said it there. So which one would you actually play as? Unless they are just two different "B" attacks.

 

[UsernameLink]

ROB 64 = Coin launcher Trophy, leaves 19 in character icon empty (unless stage), 4 star fox reps
R.O.B. NES = Common enemy, not character

Not really beliving it here

 

[Zek]

It's completely possible for R.O.B. to be a playable character separate from the SSE enemy. You guys are going to have to do better than that.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

did you read the tread there is more then that sorry honey.

That was just awesome.

Anyway, thank god, he's actually right. This pretty much deconfirms that fake roster for you.

 

[LuiStrokes]

Why would sakurai reveal a WTF character???

In the HTP video he (or someone else) edited the video cause of ness, lucario and jiggs

 

[SuperLink9]

It's completely possible for R.O.B. to be a playable character separate from the SSE enemy. You guys are going to have to do better than that.

Those trying to prove ROB isn't in it are doing a hell of a better job than those trying to prove he IS in it. Everyone who says "That's not enough proof to say this is fake" Well where is your proof to tell us it's real?

There is NO PROOF at all! How the hell did it escalate to this!?

 

[Zek]

Those trying to prove ROB isn't in it are doing a hell of a better job than those trying to prove he IS in it. Everyone who says "That's not enough proof to say this is fake" Well where is your proof to tell us it's real?

There is NO PROOF at all! How the hell did the escalate to this!?

And there's NO PROOF that he's fake, either. How about that.

The "proof" that he's real is that a very credible roster leak, the best one we've had yet, claims he's in. I don't know for a fact if it's true or not, but it's looking very likely. And the only shred of evidence you guys can come up with to counter it is "That doesn't make sense!" Well you're wrong, because it's very easy to come up with a logical explanation of why there would be both a playable ROB and SSE enemy ROBs. Maybe they're all just copies of the original ROB, who you fight as a boss to unlock? Maybe he'll just be uninvolved in the SSE entirely and unlocked like Mr. G&W was? Sakurai could have used the generic enemies to make it a bigger surprise when it turns out R.O.B. himself is playable.

I don't know the facts, but face it, you guys can not deconfirm the 35-char roster or ROB no matter how hard you try. All that's left is to wait and see the truth.

 

[Black/Light]

did you read the tread there is more then that sorry honey.

1. Don't call me honey. . .*ewww"

2. This is just saying "ROB is in SSE and you can't get a troph for a character like that" which no one has proof of.

3. We have NO idea how PC ROB supposetly looks. He could be the "King Koopa" of ROBs making the SSE ROBs look plain when compared to it.

4. ROB 64 is not the ROB people are talking about.

 

[FlipTroopa]

The enemy ROBs are red, while the actual ROB toy is black.

Just saying.

I always thought ROB would make a fantastic character (it's even listed on my ancient thread of potentials to expect), but not in a roster like this. Not at all.

 

[FaceGuy]

Do we even know that ROB is an enemy in SSE? I could have missed something, but I've only seen ROBs in cut-scenes.

Also, just because the 35 character theory is considered "the best yet" doesn't mean it has to be true. It may be more likely than many of the other rosters that people have presented as leaks, but there's still no reason to believe it unless we have actual proof. Without that, or at least actual evidence that can't be a coincidence, it's not even likely, so why get into arguments about something when no-one on either side knows what the answer is? Especially when it's something so trivial.

 

[Zinfandel]

Do we even know that ROB is an enemy in SSE? I could have missed something, but I've only seen ROBs in cut-scenes.

Also, just because the 35 character theory is considered "the best yet" doesn't mean it has to be true. It may be more likely than many of the other rosters that people have presented as leaks, but there's still no reason to believe it unless we have actual proof. Without that, or at least actual evidence that can't be a coincidence, it's not even likely, so why get into arguments about something when no-one on either side knows what the answer is? Especially when it's something so trivial.

We know he is an enemy due to a Dojo update. You can see it if you look at the SSE category of updates.

I think the 35 roster gets cred from conflicting with few rumors and being congruent with rumors that gave fficial information before any official information confirmed it. Also, the 100 % confirmed starting roster fits in with the rumored 35-roster provided that the unlocked characters can slide into the select screen.

So sure it is not proven, but it is supported to a worrying degree.

 

[GoldenS1104]

I'd like to point out that just because some one has a trophey does not make them deconfirmed. All PC's have trophies. And if you're going to try to argue that Sakurai would not show a PC's trophey before the character was announced then I'd like to remind you that Ganondorf's Melee trophy was shown before he was announced (I don't have the link, it's somewhere on IGN; I don't feel like finding it). As much as I would prefer a different roster, the 35 character roster still has no solid 100% evidence against it. It also has nothing that 100% proves it, but that's a whole other story...

PS I only read the original post, I didn't feel like reading the entire thread, so please, if I missed something that makes me wrong, clue me in.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

So much denial...

 

[SuperLink9]

The enemy ROBs are red, while the actual ROB toy is black.

Red ROB is based on the Famicon, Black one is based on the NES, I think it'll differ between game versions.

And there's NO PROOF that he's fake, either. How about that.

The "proof" that he's real is that a very credible roster leak, the best one we've had yet, claims he's in. I don't know for a fact if it's true or not, but it's looking very likely. And the only shred of evidence you guys can come up with to counter it is "That doesn't make sense!" Well you're wrong, because it's very easy to come up with a logical explanation of why there would be both a playable ROB and SSE enemy ROBs. Maybe they're all just copies of the original ROB, who you fight as a boss to unlock? Maybe he'll just be uninvolved in the SSE entirely and unlocked like Mr. G&W was? Sakurai could have used the generic enemies to make it a bigger surprise when it turns out R.O.B. himself is playable.

I don't know the facts, but face it, you guys can not deconfirm the 35-char roster or ROB no matter how hard you try. All that's left is to wait and see the truth.

Sorry, but I laughed when I read that first sentence, there is plenty of proof it's fake:

- NES ROB is a regular enemy in the Subspace Emmissary
- ROB 64 is a Trophy gotten from the COIN LAUNCHER MINI GAME. Meaning he's not playable, because if he was, his trophy would ONLY be obtainable in 1 player.

And what is there that sets this apart from ANY OTHER "prophet" roster?! Nothing, there is no real evidence to show it's real, while the evidence against ROB is information from the Dojo, the evidence for this Roster is in... what? A Screenshot and a video that could be fake?

When you take into account the video could be faked, how does it make this roster ANY MORE credible than any other roster? Seriously, I'm saying there is evidence against this, but NO evidence for it, other than what we heard just a day or so ago.

 

[SuperLink9]

The enemy ROBs are red, while the actual ROB toy is black.

Red ROB is based on the Famicon, Black one is based on the NES, I think it'll differ between game versions.

And there's NO PROOF that he's fake, either. How about that.

The "proof" that he's real is that a very credible roster leak, the best one we've had yet, claims he's in. I don't know for a fact if it's true or not, but it's looking very likely. And the only shred of evidence you guys can come up with to counter it is "That doesn't make sense!" Well you're wrong, because it's very easy to come up with a logical explanation of why there would be both a playable ROB and SSE enemy ROBs. Maybe they're all just copies of the original ROB, who you fight as a boss to unlock? Maybe he'll just be uninvolved in the SSE entirely and unlocked like Mr. G&W was? Sakurai could have used the generic enemies to make it a bigger surprise when it turns out R.O.B. himself is playable.

I don't know the facts, but face it, you guys can not deconfirm the 35-char roster or ROB no matter how hard you try. All that's left is to wait and see the truth.

Sorry, but I laughed when I read that first sentence, there is plenty of proof it's fake:

- NES ROB is a regular enemy in the Subspace Emmissary
- ROB 64 is a Trophy gotten from the COIN LAUNCHER MINI GAME. Meaning he's not playable, because if he was, his trophy would ONLY be obtainable in 1 player.

And what is there that sets this apart from ANY OTHER "prophet" roster?! Nothing, there is no real evidence to show it's real, while the evidence against ROB is information from the Dojo, the evidence for this Roster is in... what? A Screenshot and a video that could be fake?

When you take into account the video could be faked, how does it make this roster ANY MORE credible than any other roster? Seriously, I'm saying there is evidence against this, but NO evidence for it, other than what we heard just a day or so ago.

 

[a77]

The roster is more credible than any before it simply because of who it was that leaked it. It's not a definite thing, but it makes it far more believable.

And I don't see how being an enemy means you can't be a character. It's not proof he's out. For all we know this could be a brand new R.O.B. designed for Brawl.

 

[SuperLink9]

The person doesn't necessarily make it more credible. IMO Serebii is credible, and Serebii says Mewtwo will be returning. So who to trust? You know, it's not entirely unlikely that this is all some elaborate joke to see how far we would go, and then tell us to calm down, like what thealmightygoat did (which actually was pretty true) we take this game too seriously.

It's not too unlikely to be a new ROB, but it's SUPPOSED to be ROB 64, who CAN'T be playable, because of where you get the trophy.

 

[SuperLink9]

The person doesn't necessarily make it more credible. IMO Serebii is credible, and Serebii says Mewtwo will be returning. So who to trust? You know, it's not entirely unlikely that this is all some elaborate joke to see how far we would go, and then tell us to calm down, like what thealmightygoat did (which actually was pretty true) we take this game too seriously.

It's not too unlikely to be a new ROB, but it's SUPPOSED to be ROB 64, who CAN'T be playable, because of where you get the trophy.

 

[SuperLink9]

The person doesn't necessarily make it more credible. IMO Serebii is credible, and Serebii says Mewtwo will be returning. So who to trust? You know, it's not entirely unlikely that this is all some elaborate joke to see how far we would go, and then tell us to calm down, like what thealmightygoat did (which actually was pretty true) we take this game too seriously.

It's not too unlikely to be a new ROB, but it's SUPPOSED to be ROB 64, who CAN'T be playable, because of where you get the trophy.

 

[SolidSnake27]

Riddle me this. Would G&W get his own icon? We're still missing #19

 

[mezbomber]

does it seem like people are getting a little confused with their word choice.
I think you're talking about the 35-char roster RUMOR. it's not a leak, and it's not a theory. The icon theory is a theory. The Famitsu scans were a leak. The HTP vid was a leak (or if you want to play devil's advocate, an incredibly well performed hoax by some incredible hackers.)

everything else = rumor

 

[Poel]

The evidence is steadily accumulating (especially Serebii's support of Mewtwo and the numerous difficulties with ROB) in favor of the 35 character roster being a fake.

If the game was actually leaked by now, I feel like the evidence would be quickly appearing to increasingly prove the 35 roster. No one would risk some leaking of info if they weren't going to keep the community posted and updated on every unlockable, etc. etc. Too much time has passed for this to be legit.

 

[SolidSnake27]

When I was talking about icon #19, i meant ROB not G&W.

 

[a77]

The person doesn't necessarily make it more credible. IMO Serebii is credible, and Serebii says Mewtwo will be returning. So who to trust? You know, it's not entirely unlikely that this is all some elaborate joke to see how far we would go, and then tell us to calm down, like what thealmightygoat did (which actually was pretty true) we take this game too seriously.

It's not too unlikely to be a new ROB, but it's SUPPOSED to be ROB 64, who CAN'T be playable, because of where you get the trophy.

So much has been said about what Serebii has and has not said that I can't keep track of it anymore. I don't remember it ever being mentioned as ROB 64. Just "R.O.B."

And MarkMan and Reno are probably more credible than Serebii anyway.

 

[Zek]

The person doesn't necessarily make it more credible. IMO Serebii is credible, and Serebii says Mewtwo will be returning. So who to trust? You know, it's not entirely unlikely that this is all some elaborate joke to see how far we would go, and then tell us to calm down, like what thealmightygoat did (which actually was pretty true) we take this game too seriously.

When did Serebii say that?

 

[Aurora Jenny]

Yes, I am also confused about that point. As far as I know, Serebii has been strongly hinting about Lucario, but vague about Mewtwo. Did he reverse his decision in one of these threads? The boards have been so laggy, I can't read through everything quickly enough.

 

[Hyper Luigi]

All this talk of grasping and straws intrigues me.

Joking asside...

I don't know how ROB would be playable I'm just farely certain that he will be playable but I do have a theory. The ROB that is playable is either a specific member of the ROB Squad or a ROB that isn't a member of the ROB Squad. In other words, that ROB isn't just a grunt and said ROB would probably play some kind of notable role in the SSE unlike the rest of the ROB Squad.

Many people are assuming that Brawl follows the Melee rules for trophies and that may not be the case. However if that IS the case then people saying ROB couldn't have a trophy that's obtained by means other than playing with him in various modes are forgetting that both Mario and Luigi had more than 3 trophies in Melee. Each had the 3 every other character gets but also at least 1 more. Racoon Mario and Vaccum Luigi are the two I have in mind. So it's not impossible or even improbable that any character will have extra trophies of some kind. In other words even if you get ROB's trophy with a trophy stand he may still have other trophies than that which relate to him being a playable character. People that consider such a theory to be no more than grasping at straws really ought to keep a more open mind. Because such an explanation isn't illogical. It doesn't prove ROB can be playable but does re-evaluate the theories that because he's an SSE enemey he couldn't be playable.

The people really grasping at straws here are the ones that will say anything to attempt to prove NES ROB isn't playable simply because they don't want him to be playable and think he'd be a lame character. I don't want ROB to be playable either but until it's confirmed otherwise, I believe he's playable and I trust my source who told me he was playable back in December.

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

ROB crap aside, the thing that makes me think that this roster is fake is that Metroid isn't getting more reps. Seriously, WTF?

I really don't believe this.

 

[Kirby Superstar]

btw rob. I mean why would someone put a fake roster with ROB in it?? Sounds like something Sakurai would do for a WTF character... and Y34HDUD3, I agree. One Metroid Rep??? or was Zamus an excuse to say he had 2 so he wouldn't need Ridley to be playable? ugh this is so confusing... If this is real, this guy has the whole Adobe CS3 suite.

 

[Black/Light]

The person doesn't necessarily make it more credible. IMO Serebii is credible, and Serebii says Mewtwo will be returning.

Umm, NOOOOO!

He said the complete opposite. He came out and said that YEAH, he slipped up before and said Lucario=in and Mew=out and that YEA he was debunking any roster with both Mew2 and Lucario or Mew2 alone. He also said that people where right in what they infered about him de-confirming Mew2.

Thats like, one of his last post.

Yes but I deconfirmed any roster that just had Mewtwo in or had Mewtwo and Lucario and ignored the ones that didn't

Many people correctly inferred it

And I did accidentally slip up a few months ago which was where the whole Lucario "replacing" Mewtwo thing came from

 

[Zinfandel]

If Young Link is in why show his trophy off so extravagantly in the How to Play vid? I know everything can be rationalized because we do not know the dynamics of Brawl but that seems weird to me.

 

[Genesai]

Yeah! Here's the facts!!!

ROB is an enemy in SUBSPACE, where you can throw trophy stands at enemies to get their trophy. Follow? That means, Rob is a subspace trophy, which conflicts with classic mode trophies of characters!

Cue cornered music.

Okay. Starfox ROB is in the trophy launcher. Same arguement!!!

NEITHER are alt. outfits in contrast to the striker mario and cel link trophies.


And here you were so sure of yourself. I am the false prophit slayar.

Typo intended!

Pow!!!!

Edit!!!: Apparently, Captain Jack and JustaBill(quote in link) saw the trophy launcher before me, and made topics about it. Kudos.

I dont see how disproving certain characters are in brawl debunks the 35 char rumour...altho dont get me wrong i dont beleve the 35 char thing any more than u do...maybe explain ur reasoning a bit more?

 

[Serph]

Did we not see a trophy (and not a 'playable character' trophy at that) of Wind Waker Link at some point? Surely that pretty-much confirms he isn't in the game. I know he was wearing plain clothes, but I very much doubt they'd make a separate trophy just for that if he were playable. The only trophy needed would be his playable character one. (Or three, if Brawl is anything like Melee)

Of course, "Young Link" could well have a Twilight Princess look, just like his older self. Who knows?

 

[Zek]

The ROB Squad is an enemy. You don't know it's the same as playable R.O.B.

ZOMG SPOILERS:

You guys need to stop mixing up your own personal logic with solid evidence. There is no evidence to suggest that the roster is fake. There's plenty to suggest that it's real. Every leaker with any credibility to speak of agrees on it.

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

Did we not see a trophy (and not a 'playable character' trophy at that) of Wind Waker Link at some point? Surely that pretty-much confirms he isn't in the game. I know he was wearing plain clothes, but I very much doubt they'd make a separate trophy just for that if he were playable. The only trophy needed would be his playable character one. (Or three, if Brawl is anything like Melee)

Of course, "Young Link" could well have a Twilight Princess look, just like his older self. Who knows?

mario is deconfirmed to then because we saw him as a trophy I know he was wearing strikers clothes but I very much doubt they'd make a seperate trophy just for that if he were playable. The only trophy needed would be his playable character one. See I knew mario was out.

 

[NESJake]

So... if R.O.B. is playable, are you guys going to regret making fools of yourselves?

 

[Black/Light]

So... if R.O.B. is playable, are you guys going to regret making fools of yourselves?

No, they are just going to B*** and moun untill they get the game and fall in love with it. (REAL smash fans, not the fakes who only want it cause they thought Geno or Krystal where going to be added)

Than a Year later. . . SSB4 threads!!!

 

[Serph]

mario is deconfirmed to then because we saw him as a trophy I know he was wearing strikers clothes but I very much doubt they'd make a seperate trophy just for that if he were playable. The only trophy needed would be his playable character one. See I knew mario was out.

That's not the same thing at all, smart arse. The Mario Strikers trophy represents a completely different series. Just like Doctor Mario (who is probably a trophy in Brawl).

Wind Waker Link is a different matter entirely. They're not going to make a trophy just for Link's alternate clothing. Otherwise they may as well go the whole hog and give us one of Link's plain clothes from Twilight Princess, one of him in his Zora tunic, another of him wearing the rupee armour. Where does it end? Unless they're scraping the barrel when it comes to trophies, then I say that's all there is for WW Link in Brawl.

Also, would they really show a trophy of him (albeit not his "Smash" one) knowing full well that he's also playable? I don't think they would.

Blimey, some of you people get so bloody childish and arsey over these things. If you think I don't have a point then simply point out the flaw in my logic, and we can discuss it.