3 Best Foxes Right Now

[Bismo Funyuns]

I want to find out who the community considers the top 3 players of each top tier character. Despite the ridiculous amount of high-level Foxes, I have definitely narrowed it down to a top 3, especially with Hax's busted hand. The top 3 are definitely Mango, Armada, and Leffen. However, this is incredibly hard to rank for a multitude of reasons. For one, Mango refuses to play the ditto, so we can never directly judge his skill against others, though the overall results and the fact that he is ranked as the best player right now on all sources makes me want to put him at number 1 on the list of top Foxes. Armada's Fox is already amazing, but we cannot really objectively judge how amazing it is yet, so I will compromise and say he's #2. And finally we come to Leffen. Part of me doesn't want to give him this much credit because I hate him. Another part of me is just confused by the fact that he has a tendency to win sets in 3 games by winning 2 nail-biters and getting 4-stocked once. But the largest and most rational part of me realizes that the results speak for themselves and Leffen is definitely one of the best.

Discussion is heavily encouraged. Please make an argument for anyone else if you disagree. Don't include Hax because he is injured and inactive.

 

[zero sum]

For one, Mango refuses to play the ditto, so we can never directly judge his skill against others, though the overall results and the fact that he is ranked as the best player right now on all sources makes me want to put him at number 1 on the list of top Foxes.

i'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. do you mean that because mango seldom (5:08) plays the ditto that we can't judge his skill? success in the ditto isn't a good indicator of overall proficiency: it's only good for knowing how good a player is at a specific matchup. he doesn't necessarily look bad at the ditto either; he was definitely out of form against hax in this set and he still took a game despite almost never playing the ditto, which is probably hax's best mu.

anyways overall i'd say mango > leffen > armada, but in 2015 it's probably something like leffen > armada > mango or leffen > mango > armada depending on your perspective. mango seems like he's in a bit of a slump right now, but his fox does carry historical gravitas and has pretty much unrivaled success so that should definitely be factored in.

as you said, leffen's fox is really good and although it's prone to getting four-stocked i question how relevant that is. it happens, especially when you're playing who are arguably the two best people to ever pick up a controller. and he's taken sets off of both of them this year. he's doing amazing: he won beast 5 and got third at both paragon and apex. in fact, if leffen doesn't SD game 1 in apex WF he has a really good shot at taking that set off of PP and going into GF.

armada's fox is the enigma: although it definitely looks amazing we don't have a lot of relevant sets with it. in 2015, after he decided to start using fox seriously, the relevant sets are probably hungrybox (x2), ppmd (x2), mango, leffen (x2). if memory serves me correctly he's 5–3 in games against leffen, 5–2 in games against hbox, 2–0 against mango, and 3–5 against pp (3–3 marth, 0–2 falco). for such little practice that's amazing, but at the same time it's a small sample space and that should probably be considered factoring in who's the overall best fox vs. who's the best right now. i'd put him at a solid #2 right now though

 

[Bismo Funyuns]

i'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. do you mean that because mango seldom (5:08) plays the ditto that we can't judge his skill? success in the ditto isn't a good indicator of overall proficiency: it's only good for knowing how good a player is at a specific matchup. he doesn't necessarily look bad at the ditto either; he was definitely out of form against hax in this set and he still took a game despite almost never playing the ditto, which is probably hax's best mu.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant that we can't judge his skill against Foxes because his Fox is his best character. And the Fox matchup is most important matchup to be good at. However, that didn't impact my ranking of him at #1.

 

[SSS]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I meant that we can't judge his skill against Foxes because his Fox is his best character. And the Fox matchup is most important matchup to be good at. However, that didn't impact my ranking of him at #1.

The Fox ditto is like, one of the weirdest and most inconsistent matchups in the entire game.

 

[Foxco]

I personally believe overall mang0 is the best fox at the moment, it is definitely hard to say since he doesnt play the ditto but regardless his results as fox speak for themselves, i think at this stage it is hard to say with armadas fox, but i do think leffen has the better fox of those two, his results compared to armadas fox may disagree but i dont think armada has a long enough record to compare to leffens so i personally believe leffens is better. It is very hard to judge as they are all very good despite leffens tendency to get 4 stocked more than any other player in the top 6 they are all within very close proximity of one another, it will be interesting to see how all three do the rest of this year

 

[-ACE-]

The Fox ditto is like, one of the weirdest and most inconsistent matchups in the entire game.

One of the most unknown and under pursued matchups is more like it. No ditto is dumb, people just haven't learned it.

 

[krazyzyko]

Armada, Mango and Leffen.

 

[Flippy Flippersen]

Deciding who's better between mango armada and leffen is a pretty pointless discussion imo. They've all been taking sets of each other recently and they prolly will keep taking sets of each other. This is not to say 1 or even 2 of them will level up hardcore and rise above the other one(s) but for the people who aren't said players or very close to them guessing who will actually do that is not gonna be very successful.

As for the fox ditto. It's not a random matchup it's just really really unforgiving. Fox prolly has the hardest punish game on fox along with an insanely hard to deal with neutral and no stages to get stage advantage. Making small mistakes with fox is also pretty easy and unlike most characters fox can punish those small mistakes fairly easy.

 

[MudkipUniverse]

armada, leffen, and mang0 are the three best foxes, in some sort of order.

also who else thinks armada will start winning against mang0 more often? if armada loses a game as fox, and mang0 stays falco, he could switch to peach. If armada loses a game as peach, and mang0 stays as fox, he could switch to his own fox (which mang0 hates fox dittos.). If armada loses a game as either character, and mang0 picks either fox or falco, armada has a counterpick advantage. @Armada I'm pretty sure u are aware

Can't wait to see we get another mang0 vs armada

 

[Jim Morrison]

2014 was the end of an era, the era where Mango could coast by without putting in work and being the best.

He won't win tournaments unless he's putting in actual work like armada and leffen have been.

Mango 3, Leffen 2, Armada 1

 

[MudkipUniverse]

@ Jim Morrison I think I agree with that.

3. mango, 2. leffen, 1. armada

 

[The Prince L]

1. Armada
2. Leffen
3. Mango

 

[ShadowzVoid]

In my opinion this year is looking like 1. Leffen 2. Armada 3. Mango
but overall it's 1. Mango 2. Leffen 3. Armada

 

[Bismo Funyuns]

For all the people saying that Mango's over the hill because he didn't win Apex, I will ask you: When was the last time Mango won Apex? Never. And when was the last time that Mango rebounded after not winning Apex to win almost every other tournament he attended for the rest of the year? Last year. When was the 2nd to last time he did that? The year before. Y'all be trippin to think he's done.

 

[Bismo Funyuns]

2014 was the end of an era, the era where Mango could coast by without putting in work and being the best.

He won't win tournaments unless he's putting in actual work like armada and leffen have been.

Mango 3, Leffen 2, Armada 1

How could you be named after such an amazing musician and have such an awful one in your pic?

 

[ShadowzVoid]

For all the people saying that Mango's over the hill because he didn't win Apex, I will ask you: When was the last time Mango won Apex? Never. And when was the last time that Mango rebounded after not winning Apex to win almost every other tournament he attended for the rest of the year? Last year. When was the 2nd to last time he did that? The year before. Y'all be trippin to think he's done.

I feel like you're one of those people who believe in Mango's Apex curse (which is bull**** since he stated himself that he played bad). We are just saying how this year seems so far and right now Mango isnt doing as good. It might change later on.

 

[Bismo Funyuns]

I feel like you're one of those people who believe in Mango's Apex curse (which is bull**** since he stated himself that he played bad). We are just saying how this year seems so far and right now Mango isnt doing as good. It might change later on.

I don't think it's a curse. My point wasn't specifically that he always loses Apex, it was that if Mango loses one or two tournaments within a few weeks it would be foolish to count him out.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Once again, people have been putting in work which they hadn't before in 2013/14 when he got away with winning Evo's. His slack is showing, along with M2K's (which stems from not caring and hand problems).

 

[MudkipUniverse]

mang0 always wins either fraudulent (tbh4) or close (evo 2014, mlg) tournaments

 

[m0ll0y]

Damm people are already sleeping on mang0

 

[Jim Morrison]

Damm people are already sleeping on mang0

This is my favourite meme