1.0.10 Changes

kirby3021 · Jul 30, 2015

Just starting this thread now so we can immediately post new discoveries. I'll keep a master list as best I can of confirmed changes on this post.

Confirmed:
F-Throw buffed to 13% total, shadow balls do increased damage (from 1.5% to 2.0%)
D-Smash knockback increase
F-Tilt hitbox active frames reduced from 3 to 2

To be tested:

--- · Jul 30, 2015

Have to work 3rd Shift so I'll leave this up to you guys. If you need to test knockback, the %s listed in the moveset guide use center BF with Default Mii.

See ya'll in the morning.

godogod · Jul 30, 2015

Someone one on Neogaf said they saw no significant changes. Maybe its subtle. I hope he barely skimmed through it.

Smog Frog · Jul 30, 2015

he got....no significant changes? is the dev team oblivious to this characters shoddy programming?

godogod · Jul 30, 2015

Just one guy said it offhand. I don't know how extensively he tested him. We'll see.

edit: He said he only played him really quick in a match and did not test him extensively. He said he noticed his forward throw does more damage.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173581602&postcount=2017

ORVO5 · Jul 30, 2015

Nothing too noticable if he did get buffed. If there's one thing it may be that his dash is 1% faster? Other than that his hitboxes seem the same, damage seems the same.

WTF Sakurai?

godogod · Jul 30, 2015

Fuug man you serious? What about ending lag on moves?

A bit off topic but.. Can you confirm if dlc characters got custom moves?

Smog Frog · Jul 30, 2015

well...i can confirm an fthrow damage buff. 10%-13%. 13% is the most a throw does in this game(

bthrow,

fthrow both do 13%)
so its something...i guess?

ORVO5 · Jul 30, 2015

godogod said:
Fuug man you serious? What about ending lag on moves?

A bit off topic but.. Can you confirm if dlc characters got custom moves?

I'll check it out if no one posts about it before I do.

Browny · Jul 30, 2015

Yep Fthrow buffed.

Utilt hitbox still a bit wonky but bair and uair seemed to be better? I still managed to whiff bair a few times but it didnt seem as bad. Of course there is heavy bias at work here of wanting to see buffs so don't trust me on that.

Chiroz · Jul 30, 2015

Dantarion's data dump has 3 changes.

One is more knockback to a move
Another is more damage to a move

Last is 1/3rd less endlag to a move!!!!!!!

This doesn't mean these are the only changes but these are confirmed changes.

The move with less endlag has 3 different hitboxes which means it's a tail attack. My personal guess is D-Throw. Combos? Hopefully

ORVO5 · Jul 30, 2015

I think DSmash has less ending lag. Someone double check for me, but I don't remember being able to use DSmash in such quick successions..

godogod · Jul 30, 2015

Is it just me or does his forward tilt sound different?

Smog Frog · Jul 30, 2015

dsmash always had very short endlag. it doesnt seem different to me.

SaucyDancer · Jul 30, 2015

D-smash feels the same to me personally.

ORVO5 · Jul 30, 2015

godogod said:
Is it just me or does his forward tilt sound different?

FTilt sounds the same to me, both before and after contact. Speaking of FTilt, it may be the one that got a knock back buff.

And his fast fall speed seems a bit better.

SaucyDancer said:
D-smash feels the same to me personally.

Really? I don't remember being able to do one after the other that fast. Even my roommate was like, "woah, that's fast." Maybe it's just me then lol.

SaucyDancer · Jul 30, 2015

Ive got both versions with me so Im trying out different things. Ftilt feels the same in every aspect to me.

Orvo5 i think you're right about the fast fall speed.

Smog Frog · Jul 30, 2015

so: damage buff: fthrow
kb buff: ftilt?
endlag reduction:nair landing lag??? i'm connecting falling nair->usmash...is anyone else doing so? have they been able to before?

ORVO5 · Jul 30, 2015

Pretty sure falling NAir is the same but it was always too unpredictable for me to string moves with it that I'm not too sure about the lag 100% Would be cool if it was buffed though.

So guys, I can't explain what's changed, but his maneuverability feels smoother than before. Maybe it's the fast fall buff, but he feels better. Trying my best to compare how he used to be and not taking any placebo..

Chiroz · Jul 30, 2015

SaucyDancer said:
Ive got both versions with me so Im trying out different things. Ftilt feels the same in every aspect to me.

Orvo5 i think you're right about the fast fall speed.

Fast Fall speed is correlative to regular Fall Speed. Everyone but Link it's just a 40% increase.

If his Fast Fall Speed got increased, then so did his regular Fall Speed.

Chiroz · Jul 30, 2015

Smog Frog said:
so: damage buff: fthrow
kb buff: ftilt?
endlag reduction:nair landing lag??? i'm connecting falling nair->usmash...is anyone else doing so? have they been able to before?

Does it register as a true combo?

ORVO5 said:
Pretty sure falling NAir is the same but it was always too unpredictable for me to string moves with it that I'm not too sure about the lag 100% Would be cool if it was buffed though.

So guys, I can't explain what's changed, but his maneuverability feels smoother than before. Maybe it's the fast fall buff, but he feels better. Trying my best to compare how he used to be and not taking any placebo..

Omg maneuverability? If Mewtwo's air acceleration got buffed I am going to cry of happiness.

Smog Frog · Jul 30, 2015

yes.

to clarify: its the first hit ONLY of nair. for some reason that pops them straight up(not unlike the hitbox of his utilt). also, you have to fastfall it as fast as possible otherwise it sends them to the side for some ungodly reason...

the combo does 17%.

ORVO5 · Jul 30, 2015

Raykz said:
Fast Fall speed is correlative to regular Fall Speed. Everyone but Link it's just a 40% increase.

If his Fast Fall Speed got increased, then so did his regular Fall Speed.

He doesn't feel as slow, so that may very well be the case. Can't confirm it until I see numbers though. But from someone who's been playing Mewtwo almost every day since release, that's my opinion.

Raykz said:
Does it register as a true combo?

Nope. Not a true combo.

Smog Frog · Jul 30, 2015

i really wish i had some way to record because i'm getting it to combo.
are you fastfalling it as soon as it comes out? thats how i'm connecting it.

Chiroz · Jul 31, 2015

ORVO5 said:
He doesn't feel as slow, so that may very well be the case. Can't confirm it until I see numbers though. But from someone who's been playing Mewtwo almost every day since release, that's my opinion.

Nope. Not a true combo.

Air acceleration is what makes characters feel faster most of the time. Test jumping forward at full dash speed then trying to move back, Mewtwo would fall to the ground before starting to move backwards.

I really, really wanted his air acceleration buffed it will allow us to DI out of combos, finally.

Smog Frog said:
yes.

to clarify: its the first hit ONLY of nair. for some reason that pops them straight up(not unlike the hitbox of his utilt). also, you have to fastfall it as fast as possible otherwise it sends them to the side for some ungodly reason...

the combo does 17%.

First hit of N-Air always sends upwards now? This might be very interesting.

I can't ****ing wait to get home.

Chiroz · Jul 31, 2015

Smog Frog said:
i really wish i had some way to record because i'm getting it to combo.
are you fastfalling it as soon as it comes out? thats how i'm connecting it.

If it true combos into anything but D-Tilt then it's a definite buff. I tested N-Air so many times with all of Mewtwo's moves.

Maybe the knockback buff was to N-Air's first hit!

SaucyDancer · Jul 31, 2015

Just did a side by side comparison with the fall speed. There's no changes.

Chiroz · Jul 31, 2015

SaucyDancer said:
Just did a side by side comparison with the fall speed. There's no changes.

How about air acceleration? Try moving forward and backwards in the air.

Smog Frog · Jul 31, 2015

its still pretty ass. his deceleration is decent, though.

ORVO5 · Jul 31, 2015

SaucyDancer said:
Just did a side by side comparison with the fall speed. There's no changes.

Interesting.. he feels better though, it's gotta be something.

Has NAir always been able to stage spike?

SaucyDancer · Jul 31, 2015

Raykz said:
How about air acceleration? Try moving forward and backwards in the air.

Can't notice any changes.

ORVO5 said:
Has NAir always been able to stage spike?

Yes.

GanonPawnch · Jul 31, 2015

Omg it's 5:10am here, need to wait for my bro to get up before i start testing stuff lol aahhhhhhhhhh D:

I really hope he's been buffed, he really needs/deserves it.

SaucyDancer · Jul 31, 2015

GanonPawnch said:
Omg it's 5:10am here, need to wait for my bro to get up before i start testing stuff lol aahhhhhhhhhh D:

I really hope he's been buffed, he really needs/deserves it.

There has been 3 confirmed changes but the only one that has been identified is a f-throw buff to 13% damage

SaucyDancer · Jul 31, 2015

Has Mewtwo's down air always spiked through the stage if hit during a disable?

Edit: this happened at the very edge of FD. This only happened once and Im unable to recreate it.

godogod · Jul 31, 2015

according to the patch page,

-someone apparently (a super mod)noticed his down smash got a kbg buff from 112 to 118

-forward tilt might be out for one fewer frame

http://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-mode-1-1-0-community-patch-notes.412130/page-6

SleuthMechanism · Jul 31, 2015

...no big changes to mewtwo? ..is the dev team THAT bloody dense!?

Chiroz · Jul 31, 2015

godogod said:
according to the patch page,

-someone apparently (a super mod)noticed his down smash got a kbg buff from 112 to 118

-forward tilt might be out for one fewer frame

http://smashboards.com/threads/tournament-mode-1-1-0-community-patch-notes.412130/page-6

Yea the move that got a knockback increase has a 21 frame activation and 23 frame endlag, definitely Down-Smash

I think the move with less endlag is actually all of N-Air's small hits. I think they went down from 3 frames to 2 frames.

ORVO5 · Jul 31, 2015

All the changes might be minor but he isn't as slow if you ask me. Maybe not by much, but if you play Mewtwo everyday you'll probably be on board with me. Would have preferred a more drastic buff but he does feel slightly better.

On an unrelated note, tried tourney with Mewtwo for the first time. 3rd out of 30 ;D

ShadowKing · Jul 31, 2015

I just played him on the new patch and his forward air has a bit more knock back at the sweet point

Chiroz · Jul 31, 2015

ShadowKing said:
I just played him on the new patch and his forward air has a bit more knock back at the sweet point

This is probably placebo. F-Air also had hugeee knockback. I don't think they'd buff that. I'll check it out when I get home.

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