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People will go with what leads them to greater reward. even though developing a ground game is beneficial to all players, unless they play a character where that can lead to as much reward as a stray aerial or grab, they wont focus on it.

Today I found out 3 things about Ryu. Assuming the sixriver people are correct, Tatsumaki Senpukyaku is leg invincible from frames 1 to an unknown frame.

Also, repeating jab 1, light Utilt, and light Dtilt have 6 total frames. That's 4 recovery frames for jab 1 and light Dtilt and 1 recovery frame for light Utilt.

Those 3 moves are also all assumed to special-cancelable on frame 7.

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nGztModaYmhFQmUfso3op8GinKOYVI3RnpS43ERGvJM/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0.

If you can't read Japanese -- don't know if it's kanji or whatever -- use Google translate to get rough ideas of what they're saying or compare frame data with what you know.

Also, some of it might need to be confirmed. I trust the sixriver people on frame data, but just to be on the safe side, look at it with skepticism. Welp, have a good day, Emblem Lord.

thats only for the IASA special cancel frame. if you let the moves follow through then they are all around 15 total frames. i knew this already because lordwilliam1234 did ryus data for me about two days after he dropped. I knew about tatsu as well.

Emblem Lord wants it to be Hyper Fighting Tatsu with its 11f invul startup and like 12f invul recovery.

HF Tatsu was BORKED

Figured as much. I did say that the 6 total frames were for repeating those moves and not their normal total frames.

I guess the problem is that frame data work is kinda... slow compared to other games. Might just be because dumping Smash is different than other games.