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I wonder how likely we are to convince Apex (or whatever the next major tournament is that declares rules early) to run two similar but distinct versions of the game?
Maybe some kind of Salty Suite-esque event, where the entire point is customs exhibition matches?
That actually sounds feasible. What would be perfect would be to get a top player or something to play against people with custom sets where the challenger explains every "jank"(I detest that word but I feel it conveys the message the best) way their customs have ever interacted with another move or killed someone beforehand and then fight them. This would be the best way to stop people from complaining about them being too "jank". The top player will adjust quickly to the new move and will be able to exploit it's weaknesses while the custom player would be able to showcase how it benefits their playstyle more than default.
Could probably skip the whole explanation part and just find one of the top players who already knows the moves.
A lot of top players already know how to deal with it.
I think it's mostly with customs that it very quickly developed a negative connotation. Largely when coupled with the association of Customs with "Not default", it became "That move is janky and dumb and since we're able to put it in a bannable category let's do so."
Are you talking about custom stages? I always thought the only problem with custom stages was inability to distribute them?
Any stage with a "jank" element. Custom stages, too, but stages like Stadium 2 or Mario Circuit 8 with unusual but, relatively, non-interfering hazards.
Depends on the tournament and region. Sadly, on the grander scale, they are not being used.
Got a stream for that?
Well. That's unfortunate. I would like them to be legal global-wise. It will benefit a lot of characters (looking at you Doc)
I'm shifting gears and starting small. There's a small weekly I've started attending, and last week I brought my own Wii U and managed to attract a few people over while I had customs on. Some of them even made their own sets.
www.twitch.tv/game5smash/
:/ sorry to hear that, bud.
I'll continue contributing to the theory and whatnot obviously, just take everything with a grain of salt since it's practically impossible for me to practice customs in-person against human opponents of skill.
fix'd that for you.
One of these days we'll both have a free evening and I'll go a few rounds against you. Not that I'm "of skill" the way tourney winners are, but it's something
the midwest has the strongest custom scene by far. From minnesota all the way down south t parts of texas. just dont know the streams for most of them. (or if they exist)
Alternating weekly is a really nice idea, but I could see either side complaining that they're getting their content cut by half. Then again, I've seen people in NC complain that even having weeklies gets people burned out faster, so alternating rulesets may be a way to keep players who don't play both from burning out (if you feel similarly about weeklies).
I'll still never understand this reason when defaults shows no better...
(This was from the CMP thread but it's better discussed in this one; also I notice T0MMY doesn't check to make sure he formatted his posts correctly before posting them).
defaults are just that tho... this game cant be played if defaults werent legal lmao
The game is totally playable with defaults illegal, you just need to allow (and force) the use of special moves 2-3. The point is, Customs moves 2-3 are at least as balanced as custom move 1 (default) so it doesn't make sense to cry imbalance as a reason for banning.
Basically the majority don't like customs. And you will not force them to play a game they don't like. Even the older people in this thread came in terms with that fact and started trying to sway people to like customs instead of using "logical" arguments. Fun and enjoyment>Logic. Becauce at the end this is still a game and without it being fun no one will play it. Even competitiveness and the game makers wishes are very secondary to that.
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) but I still don't like customs and would probably drop the game if they became a thing permanently.
This is why I think Smash 4 customs and Smash 4 with no customs should both be treated as different games, so that everyone can be happy and play which one they like instead of losing interest likeBasically the majority don't like customs. And you will not force them to play a game they don't like. Even the older people in this thread came in terms with that fact and started trying to sway people to like customs instead of using "logical" arguments. Fun and enjoyment>Logic. Becauce at the end this is still a game and without it being fun no one will play it. Even competitiveness and the game makers wishes are very secondary to that.
You gotta understand that people feel entitled to make arguments to jusitfy their preferences. Even if they dont hold much ground. They just dont want to think that they dislike something because they dislike it instead of having logical reasons to do so. I came in here with so many arguments against customs and now I'm left with about one or two standing ( thanks to
Nick Riddle put it up pretty nicely I think a page ago.
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. Honestly I would lose interest in Smash 4 if every tournament was customs and non-customs became something played on a much smaller scale like how customs are now. I honestly believe that one meta is greater than 2, but if we treat it as if they are not the same game then they can both survive.
No, not a side event. I am trying to say when people look at Smash 4 customs they should not treat it as the same game as Smash 4 without customs. They should both have their own separate competitive scenes and neither should be treated as a "side event".