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Hm! Thats interesting data... But yeah, Id tend to keep my space, while definitely being aggressive, get the bike, and either wall him out or bully him. I really think once ya jack his bike youre at a significant advantage. Sure he can fight back with some up close and personal stuff, but if ya keep some space, cover your approaches with slingshots and gyroids, youre pretty good to go.
easy become unpredictable.
I am way too predictable. (My current biggest problem) And I honestly just don't know how to become this unpredictable sorcery.
If all else fails nair. n-air comes out on frame 3 lingers until frame 21 and deals 9 damage
You know, try and make your opponent think youre ganna do somethin ya wont. Run up and shield at a safe distance, they might throw out an attack you can punish. Maybe after an attack an airbone opponent could get scared if you jumped up and simply did nothing. They may air dodge, you can wait, and punish. This isn't Villager exclusive of course, but it seems like you need help with some basics or am I being too assuming? If it is specific, maybe plant a sapling - they may expect you to continue, just shield their attack and grab?
I'm just plain bad at being predictable honestly.
Well practice makes perfect I guess! But can't blame ya, I get really discouraged easily too. So yknow, dont force yourself, but when ya wanna play smash bros... just think "Hm, my opponent probably wants to run up and grab me. Ill stand here and shield and then Ill short hop when the time is right and hit em with turnips when they get here" stuff like that.
This is why more time and money should be put on the one chop technique. It will be so freakin useful against our biggest enemies.
I'm practicing, haha, I even tried to pull it off a few times, but just got punished when planting the sapling and watering it. Then once the tree was grown, I tried, had it half chopped, and let that be a threat as I launch gyroid and slingshots, even bowling balls from atop a platform, very defensive. This Shiek just waited from afar and pressed b to throw or charge needles when they could.
Dear Lord Shiek vs Villager almost makes me ashamed to be a Villager Main. Like you know how Sonic vs Villager is even until you have to KO him? Shiek vs Villager is in her favor until you have to kill her then it gets worse. If you were to name every single weakness Villager has then you know of a way Sheik can troll you.Villager vs Sheik?
Would anyone like to cover the Villager vs Sheik matchup with me? I fought one a few days ago and had a pretty difficult time. The seemed to keep running away and shooting needles at me, charged when they could, but usually just mashing b, one needle at a time while I was trying to set up gyroids or trees. Gyroid acted as a shield when summoned, but I guess my timing was off, cause I still got hit when trying to launch him.
It was really tough to pin Sheik down, we were on Battlefield, I was trying to it to my advantage with bowling balls, but I started to feel disadvantaged, she always had somewhere to hide. Also Sheik has that neat thing on battlefield where she can sweet spot up smash almost automatically anyone on the left or right platform (where I'd love to grow trees or throw bowling balls).
Also, when recovering, I usually launch a gyroid to cover me, but in this matchup I think I may have got hit and learned to anticipate bouncing fishes. So instead I think I tried launching a gyroid from pretty far aiming for the ledge to avoid stage spikes. Sheik doesn't really have a spike, unless her down-air has good aim, but I didn't worry about it too much.
In the end, I believe my first death was an up-air, and a sweetspot upsmash when I was on the left platform.
I'm just not sure what I couldve done better... focus on a faster recovery instead of a covered one? Forget tree entirely? I tried using watering can instead, as her warp at least puts her in a helpless state, but combined with bouncing fish, and her warp removing her hurtbox for a moment while also getting her to the ledge, it really didn't help much.
What do you think I shouldve done? Or is this like a 35:65 matchup? Is there a stage that may give Villager the advantage? Maybe Duck Hunt?
But the gyroid can cover you from needles... I'd do it farther from where Sheik can bouncing fish so you dont get punished, but um... Be unpredictable... I dunno, I guess they wouldnt predict aggression or grabs. Maybe when you can plant a tree, they might want to roll away and you can go for a grab? That might be a good way to catch them and kill, but again, pretty tough. Being unpredictable can be very important but it isn't always the answer. Just cause something is predictable doesn't mean the opponent doesn't have to deal with it. They know gyroids coming, but now the gatta shield, roll, or jump. You can bait them into dancing your dance, know what I mean?
If only I knew how to be unpredictable...
If you are going to recover low, Sheik will simply bair you if your away from the stage or fair you if you have to recover near the stage and if that happens, you need to be prepared to tech. Lloid works well but we just have to be aware of the bouncing fish range still. Just make sure your DI hasn't tanked because I definitely have been caught off guard when trying to move back at the last thing and my DI was absolutely horrid. I try to recover high normally but you we need to mix it up constantly. With that being said...
At certain points, I've prepared to counter an attack on my shield with Up Smash OoS. I have my R set to jump since I have tap jump off and I've been able to connect another Up Smash right after around 20-40 percent normally. The Sheik player has to jump out or they'll continue to eat damage for trying to put out an aerial. I like Up Smash OoS in certain scenarios since it's a way of letting your opponent know that you can't just attack their shield freely and it can possibly net you a kill.
Sorry, but...I tried. I like to throw a gyroid to keep my opponent busy as I grow a tree, but good Shieks can just jump, fast-fall, and hit you with a few needles while youre patting the ground were you planted the seed. Link's a lot slower so it works on him much more effectively, but Sheik is much faster.
Aw, well congrats on getting out there, wish I could! But yeah, Shulk is tricky... I'll try and think deeply on it, but I only have a fair amount of knowledge with this matchup, I might miss something so anyone please jump in and help out!
First of all thank you for all ways trying to make these large writeups this is something i can't do. You could gain from double spacing your paragraphs to make them easier to read though.Aw, well congrats on getting out there, wish I could! But yeah, Shulk is tricky... I'll try and think deeply on it, but I only have a fair amount of knowledge with this matchup, I might miss something so anyone please jump in and help out!
Villager vs Shulk
Most Shulks will want to start out in speed form and run pivot grab you or short hop and harass you with nairs until they start a combo. This is to keep you from setting up walls like your tree and to bypass gyroids and slingshots. In this mode I may send a gyroid immediately at the start and then try to stand my ground, short hop turnips if I see them run and try to grab, stand my ground until his speed runs out and then continue to space him out comfortably.
Some Shulks will start with the damage boosting effect though! I'd just keep your space, hit with gyroids, slingshots, weeds, and try to jump our or nair out of combos if caught.
As for your recovery, I usually let a gyroid go just above them in case they jump at me, trying to spike, and also as I fall towards the ledge with a slingshot if they patiently wait there to try and punish me somehow else. Riding the gyroid can be pretty dangerous, but if ya really wanna go for it you can do mindgames with it! Not many people know this, but if you hold back as you ride gyroid he'll actually slow down significantly, so you can do mindgames similar to Wario's bike. Get on it, they charge a smash or jump spike, and you just slow down and wait for them to finish or get out of your way before ya get to the stage! You can speed up by holding forward whenever you want.
My biggest problem with Shulk personally are his counters. You can try and bait them, but... Shulks use them on us so much cause we don't really run up to grab anyone. I'd just be careful, definitely keep it in mind, and don't be afraid to grab or something when you see it. You have to respect this most in his shield form, its super duper strong in that form! Some Shulk's will want to counter your tree so you can mindgame them by dash dancing or something to get them scared and counter, and then you can timber. Sometimes you can even just wait there and glare until they panic. Be alert and have good timing as usual!
Pocketing... Pocket wont do much here, but you can hold onto spare wood from trees. Could help with some setups, and pocketing em makes em stronger, like with anything! Im not sure, but I think pocketed fruit may heal you more too?
His smash form is worrisome, but you can run until it goes away reliably I think! Most Shulk's ive seen want to throw out a forward smash as it reaches pretty far, but it's endlag could suffer a shovel from us or just some turnips at least! Dont be afraid to hit em if he's vulnerable, but I would avoid...just getting up close.
His jump form, he can't really run so great as a trade-off, so I'd get some airborne gyroids to discourage jumping and short-hop turnips or short hop slingshots to tack on damage. Maybe even grow a tree, he shouldnt be near you so soon.
Also with his shield form, he's super heavy so you probably won't kill him, but tack on damage! With his weight you could turnip juggle him, and with his slow pace you could actually get easier grabs and harass him with slingshots and other projectiles. But as always...keep your distance, counter should be feared.
Um... all around Shulk is very tricky and can cleverly manipulate himself, but our walls should be able to manage most of those forms! And whatever forms you can't manage, run for 11 seconds!
I'd say this matchup is...even, I think. Maybe slightly in Villager's favor.
That's how mirrors work
Well it certainly is one of the funner dittos, but it is entirely based on the skills of the player as you're both using and have access to the same exact tools.
Oh, what a coincidence! GGs! The Villager ditto is always fun with another great Villager! Thank you very much for such kind words, but you deserve credit too, many of those matches were rather close, you adapted to my playstyle pretty well, it was a good challenge for me!
Aw, well congrats on getting out there, wish I could! But yeah, Shulk is tricky... I'll try and think deeply on it, but I only have a fair amount of knowledge with this matchup, I might miss something so anyone please jump in and help out!
Villager vs Shulk
Most Shulks will want to start out in speed form and run pivot grab you or short hop and harass you with nairs until they start a combo. This is to keep you from setting up walls like your tree and to bypass gyroids and slingshots. In this mode I may send a gyroid immediately at the start and then try to stand my ground, short hop turnips if I see them run and try to grab, stand my ground until his speed runs out and then continue to space him out comfortably.
Some Shulks will start with the damage boosting effect though! I'd just keep your space, hit with gyroids, slingshots, weeds, and try to jump our or nair out of combos if caught.
As for your recovery, I usually let a gyroid go just above them in case they jump at me, trying to spike, and also as I fall towards the ledge with a slingshot if they patiently wait there to try and punish me somehow else. Riding the gyroid can be pretty dangerous, but if ya really wanna go for it you can do mindgames with it! Not many people know this, but if you hold back as you ride gyroid he'll actually slow down significantly, so you can do mindgames similar to Wario's bike. Get on it, they charge a smash or jump spike, and you just slow down and wait for them to finish or get out of your way before ya get to the stage! You can speed up by holding forward whenever you want.
My biggest problem with Shulk personally are his counters. You can try and bait them, but... Shulks use them on us so much cause we don't really run up to grab anyone. I'd just be careful, definitely keep it in mind, and don't be afraid to grab or something when you see it. You have to respect this most in his shield form, its super duper strong in that form! Some Shulk's will want to counter your tree so you can mindgame them by dash dancing or something to get them scared and counter, and then you can timber. Sometimes you can even just wait there and glare until they panic. Be alert and have good timing as usual!
Pocketing... Pocket wont do much here, but you can hold onto spare wood from trees. Could help with some setups, and pocketing em makes em stronger, like with anything! Im not sure, but I think pocketed fruit may heal you more too?
His smash form is worrisome, but you can run until it goes away reliably I think! Most Shulk's ive seen want to throw out a forward smash as it reaches pretty far, but it's endlag could suffer a shovel from us or just some turnips at least! Dont be afraid to hit em if he's vulnerable, but I would avoid...just getting up close.
His jump form, he can't really run so great as a trade-off, so I'd get some airborne gyroids to discourage jumping and short-hop turnips or short hop slingshots to tack on damage. Maybe even grow a tree, he shouldnt be near you so soon.
Also with his shield form, he's super heavy so you probably won't kill him, but tack on damage! With his weight you could turnip juggle him, and with his slow pace you could actually get easier grabs and harass him with slingshots and other projectiles. But as always...keep your distance, counter should be feared.
Um... all around Shulk is very tricky and can cleverly manipulate himself, but our walls should be able to manage most of those forms! And whatever forms you can't manage, run for 11 seconds!
I'd say this matchup is...even, I think. Maybe slightly in Villager's favor.
