Toon Link Match-up Video and Critique Thread

[MJG]

iight mjG just got dont watching your set. very very close set. just by the way domo plays ur tl i can tell u guys played alot. theres a few things i feel u could of done to keep him out more. first thing is camping vertically, make it rain bombs. drop a bomb down or ibomb before u land or keep it in ur hand and react to the option he chooses. other thing i find really helpful in the mu is zair to grab work oh too well on mk. throw away from u so you can camp him some more. and last thing is the projectile rotation. if u keep a bomb in your hand you can beat nado almost everytime so, just make sure ur at a good distance to where you can throw your bomb and force him to ether catch it, dodge it or get hit by it. ethere way expect nado to follow up after that. only thing idk wat to go is when getting back on the stage you did good there but mk doesnt let me get back on the stage if played properly

Ill try and keep all of this in mind...the problem with a lot of this though is that he knows the MU REALLY well and he knows how to shut down most of my options at this point. Camping vertically isn't bad but like I said (and it should have happened in the vid), once I started doing this, he would get a nasty string or just shuttle loop me, which resulted in me being left off stage without a jump.

It is impossible to keep a player that knows the ins and outs of TL for a good amount of time.

@Southpaw: Ill look @ the vids shortly...ive had a busy weekend

 

[southpaw]

@quest
well thanks for the criticism. I really don't agree with all your points. Especially when it comes to how much I use smashes. The one I use the most when it comes to hard punishes would be dsmash since that thing like never kills but it does pretty good dmg(17%). The only smash I usually keep fresh but not always would be upsmash cuz jc upsmash is technically our fastest punish. Usually people don't live forever against TL because of stale smashes, its because our kill moves don't land.

And how do you punish marth's side-b as TL? I kno with most chars they can shieldgrab after the third db, but with TL I only know that you can grab after the last one.

oh and on a random note I will mm your marth at apex/random EC regional we may both be at

 

[NearZzz]

If you don't live in texas you can't complain about anything ever as tl.

 

[MJG]

vs oli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emE7NdYwodU&feature=related
help me mjg!

vs marth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu0xgyA9ndc&feature=related
I guess I just fail at life

Please critique guys. All help will be appreciated

Try to avoid having to fight olimar on lylat. It probably isn't the worst stage to fight olimar on but it is really hard to approach olimar because of the platforms on that stage. I watched the match on lylat and I can say that you need to just stay in olimars face. There were times where it looked like you were gonna keep pressuring the olimar player but then you backed down. Limit your bomb usage in this MU. When the pikmin latch onto TL, the bomb will blow up in TLs face when he tries to throw it.
The same applies to the second game.

IF you go back and watch your matches, you will realize that Asa is just racking up damage with side b for the most part. Even if you get hit by a smash attack (which shouldn't happen since our aerials will either kill the pikmin or knock them away), olimar's smash attacks will be staled. It is better to pressure olimar and to continue staying in his face rather than to hit olimar every blue moon while olimar is continuing to throw pikmin @ you. Also, don't be afraid to grab olimar.


NOw...I found these vidsi and would REALLY appreciate a critique.

MK
Game 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGGuf5FRWng
Game 2: I won vs his wolf...
Game 3: -.- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSpsXguS5g -.-

Marth
Game 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Wgh18gcVk
Game 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JVK2qCaw2Q

I would prefer Jerm or Kingtoon to help me with the last 2 matches.

That is all.

 

[NearZzz]

go mk on pierce^

 

[links24]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl96ntg_LWE&feature=channel_video_title

links24(TL) vs blue rouge(wario)

if somone could critique this i would be really grateful since i suck in the wario MU.............

 

[TLMSheikant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2krhJm-cA&feature=channel_video_title
WF from a recent tourney. Btw hi guys. I have a comp again. ^_^ So, i''ll be here more often.

 

[Sync.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2krhJm-cA&feature=channel_video_title
WF from a recent tourney. Btw hi guys. I have a comp again. ^_^ So, i''ll be here more often.

You remind me of me when i play against peach lol

pj-

 

[TLMSheikant]

PJ <3. With a pic of estelle? Winx2.

 

[TheJerm]

He's on another houston players account. He's not cool enough to know about estelle

DIP

 

[NH Cody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD2krhJm-cA&feature=channel_video_title
WF from a recent tourney. Btw hi guys. I have a comp again. ^_^ So, i''ll be here more often.

you have gotten so much better

good stuff

 

[TLMSheikant]

Thanks. ^_^

 

[Flea_16]

i went to a tourney this weekend. i played amazing in pools and doubles but once i got to bracket i started to get hungry and my focus went out the door >.< i started making mistakes and lost my matches but, it all good i know what i did wrong. i want you guys to look at this set i had against a pretty good yoshi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2GzGfuCazg

 

[army man]

one piece of advice, ALWAYS eat before you do anything else..............

 

[Flea_16]

LMAO lesson learned ! next time im bringing all the munchie food ! >.<

 

[army man]

that's what i like to hear soldier!!!!!!!!!

 

[Flea_16]

ROGER that SIR !

 

[Exceladon City]

I'm going to be getting videos of my Toon Link up soon-ish. It's pretty bad right now no joke. I am also playing on an HD so I'm going to be missing alot of inputs.

 

[army man]

that's OK, just be sure to post your videos lol

 

[Death Arcana]

wow excel you can no longer john about hd lag
cause i have an hd tv and i gotten used to the point where its not noticible
btw get component cables

 

[MJG]

I played on an HD TV around MLG Dallas time (thats actually all I had to play during college). It is really not as bad as wifi.

 

[Exceladon City]

wow excel you can no longer john about hd lag
cause i have an hd tv and i gotten used to the point where its not noticible
btw get component cables

There's a difference between owning your own HD and having to get accustomed to playing on one. I'm still trying to figure out if it's the T.V or my controller.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Upload my vids Twink.

 

[WindMajor]

Here's some, not all:

Against Vizar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDYkVjY8kKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48AbDYlw6oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLtP62EYsro

Against Rated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaChBMFIpL8 friendly

 

[TLMSheikant]

Huh? The first one against Rated is a friendly. And Im pretty sure none of those are me in the second match. I always use white mk.

Nvm, Im the snake. I remembered the match lol.

 

[WindMajor]

Huh? The first one against Rated is a friendly. And Im pretty sure none of those are me in the second match. I always use white mk.

Nvm, Im the snake. I remembered the match lol.

Oh god, it happened again did it

how do clips magically change into others wtffffffffff

 

[WindMajor]

Bumpity bump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgstvERbTzE

Critique this please. I think I had a slow start, and made some crucial technical errors here and there, but I do better in the 2nd half of the match.

My TL is weird. o_O



Edit: Also got this replay. I've expressed concerns with this MU a looong time ago, but I've only been able to play it until recently. I have no idea what I'm doing here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xNsp05l5Yw

 

[TLMSheikant]

Lolol @ my fair-happy peach.

 

[WindMajor]

You should Fair less.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Where is WF and GF?

 

[WindMajor]

All of your matches:


Rated Vs Sant (Friendly)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaChBMFIpL8

Sant vs. Eval Winners Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZKHXQeGUN8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsWXohbHVAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJeIHp1aO3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmb7oyZzI3c

Rated vs. Sant Grand Finals (1 match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLA9yKZSiQ

Sant's Snake is lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSPlWYmHjg

Sant vs. Vizar Winners Bracket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDYkVjY8kKY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48AbDYlw6oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLtP62EYsro

Sant vs. Excel Zero Winners Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhxg8g_PnTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A52OhLF0-ag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=137n0Pc2mFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmSFvrlR1qM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQWiUrLbV4g

Rated vs. Excel Zero Losers Finals (2 matches)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr87vcACQLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8hcxAnNsyk

Excel Zero vs. Sant Grand Finals Set 1 (2 matches)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZjTxrup7Is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkVhp-u5n4E

Excel Zero vs. Sant Grand Finals Set 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyOx6rqI9M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9p1NrIqh2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLQynLU62hQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhX4hHbQ7dI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1vm53Cy3g

 

[TLMSheikant]

Thanks for all the critiques . I learned a lot about what Im doing wrong and how much I suck and stuff . Seriously, wheres everybody?

 

[army man]

i'm here, but i'm not someone you're looking for

 

[Clownbaby]

Sorry tlm, but I think your skill level is just above a lot of us, not much I can say. I will say I really like your run through bair, great approach. I will ask a question though, are you playing too reserved once the opponent is above 135%? You certainly were protecting your stock well but I saw donkey get to 220% before you got the kill, but you won that match fairly easily, I think. Anyway thanks for recording your matches.

 

[KT Kasrani]

Thanks for all the critiques . I learned a lot about what Im doing wrong and how much I suck and stuff . Seriously, wheres everybody?

i guess ill get around to critique ur vids soon.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Clownbaby- Thanks, and yes Im very conservative and patient when Im in tourney mode. In friendlies, Im more aggro. I think thats a good thing. And thanks ^^.

Kingtoon- Id appreciate it.

 

[Sync.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRWndikCDZ8&feature=channel_video_title

critque please!

 

[WindMajor]

More like

Bumpity bump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgstvERbTzE

Critique this please. I think I had a slow start, and made some crucial technical errors here and there, but I do better in the 2nd half of the match.

My TL is weird. o_O



Edit: Also got this replay. I've expressed concerns with this MU a looong time ago, but I've only been able to play it until recently. I have no idea what I'm doing here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xNsp05l5Yw

Critique this plzzzz

 

[NearZzz]

Random friendlies because I haven't uploaded anything in awhile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewSLibNfUw (Vs Nappy's Diddy 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhVlAra6nDY (Vs Nappy's Diddy 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrfgiYiL0Lw (vs Nappy's Falco)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni7wjmSrw6w (vs D.Disciple's Lucario)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_xWJDVLOs0 (Vs Nappy's Snake 1-3)

 

[NH Cody]

Is there some unseen force, perhaps a magnetic attraction, drawing you towards your opponent in EVERY match? Do you really want to be utilted? Or blown up, in the case of Snake? Or grabbed?

...honestly Near...some of that was painful to watch. Right now you're doing perhaps 60% of it wrong. The 40% that is good is stuff like reading landings with grabs, basic bomb camping, and spacing with zair...and even that is done to a limited extent.

You need to work on camping, by mixing it up more, and making wiser choices as to what to throw and when. I just don't see *aggro* styles working today as opposed to 2-3 years ago. Maybe incorporate some arrow tech skill to confuse them, or use more full hop boomerang. SOMETHING else. Right now I'm seeing bomb throw run up airdodge catch the bomb zair, as well as other simple bomb antics, 95% of the time. Safer mixups include, but are not limited to, full hop boomerang zair, full hop bomb pull zair, bomb pull retreat SHDA run away JC throw, ah, there are so many options for you should consider. It's as if your Toon Link is on a record that keeps skipping, and skipping and skipping! GAH.

You need to adapt significantly more, and faster. I swear, against Snake after you hit him at certain moments I thought that since you saw when to grab his landings successfully, you would also catch on to his airdodging. But you didn't. It was so obvious. Airdodging could mean more grab opportunities, nair, or even usmash at kill %s. Look out for people's habits.

Jab to usmash? Almost always going for bair or utilt combos at 0%? DAIR??!? Come on.

More boomerang, use it effectively for purposes such as defense and zoning, in addition to pressure and attacking. Rewatching the Diddy match now to confirm what I've said...yeah. Almost all of your retreating results in a short hop bomb pull and then one of two things: double jump bomb drop or reverse QD. Seldom do you think to boomerang, retreating bair reverse QD, etc. See where I'm going with this?

Yes, I recognize that these were friendlies. If you want critique, then play to win and camp as you would in tourney matches. If you did, then good for you, but you have to work on a few aspects of your playstyle. Talk to me in PMs or something if you want to talk about more concrete specifics.