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I was implying no intangibility during the switch making it only safe if the opponent is like...being star KO'd or if you are willing to sacrifice your beginning invincibility.
Since you can't switch movesets on the fly, only 1 of the characters is available at any given time and in any particular match only 1 has the better matchup. It is not playing both strong characters unless you are talking about CSS abuse, which can be removed without removing Transform.
But what is his stance on bowser 3.6? Djnintendo has won tounaments with melee bowser so how is that different? Players can win on match up knowledge alone if they are good enough. But please tag deff so he can voice his opinion of bowser and his winning tournament
I keep on forgetting that it's ran by spidermad. will edit post
You can read his thoughts in the thread that YOU created in the Bowser subforum, where he ALREADY POSTED.
Minds change, I would like to ask again after his tourney win
Even with 3.5/3.6 Zelda, it still happens. They won't shut up unless the kicks are nerfed to Smash 4 levels of awful.
This isn't really possible because of the way transform works. The game actually unloads one character and loads in another. Shielda isn't really intangible during transform so much as she doesn't actually exist.
I find USBs take longer than the hackless SD card, but I don't have a particularly large sample size.
I respect your feelings 4tlus, but nope. You're really dodgy about this subject. I'm just not seeing a direction towards Sheilda-esque gameplay. The past few patches definitely don't reflect it.
Pretty much, that would be sheilda. What we have now is just Zelda and sheik able to swap...
Not sure what you mean by "dodgy" here. I totally agree that the patches keep making it worse and that true Sheilda gameplay would be what you can see in that video, because you are switching between both for different situations. You can still switch for different situations currently, and I do it. I frequently switch for different edgeguards, combo opportunities, and recoveries (yes, both directions for all 3).
I can't tell if this is like a super elaborate troll or if this level of ignorance really CAN be paired with this level of obstinance
This isn't the first time you've vouched for the removal of Transform, and I don't have an issue with players arguing for the removal or drastic alteration of mechanics and tactics that may be deemed unfair. I do have a problem with hidden intents however. Whether or not you or others like you want to admit it, your opinions regarding how unfair something in PM is is significantly influenced by your competition. You play Zhime. He is recognized as being the best Zelda since at least 2.6b. He is a better player than you, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, have you done all that you could as a player to learn the Zelda and Sheik matchups or your mains? Have you researched characters that counter both Zelda and Sheik? I believe the character redux thread has high credibility, and you weren't listed as the most accomplished Ness. Before arguing for play style changing patches, I'd encourage you to maximize your potential as a Ness or whoever you're maining these days then consider at that point whether it's truly you, your character, or another that needs changing. At this point, I'm inclined to think that you could do much better as a player, so I have trouble taking your arguments about Transform seriously when you haven't done all that you could as a player to address the "problem" in the game before taking to the internet.
So it's alright to destroy a character's potential if it makes them more fun to play against? People that liked aspects of 3.02 Zelda or the character as a whole have far less fun with 3.5 and 3.6 Beta Zelda, to the point that several of them don't even play the character or game much anymore. PM should be balanced and designed with a majority rules mindset eh? Nothing could go wrong with a bunch of low, mid level, or small name players holding the power to seriously impact the direction of characters that are used at a high level. Let the PMDT change or remove what you don't personally feel like learning or dealing with, even if that thing has simple counterplay. Heck, why not just let someone better play for you?
That is a bad video. It's essentially "What If Sheik Had Farore's Wind and Lightning Kicks". If Shielda were going to be a true thing in PM, hopefully both characters would be used for more than 3 moves.
In 3.02 Zelda's case, yeah, it was totally okay to modify her design after years of development because it was so obvious that it just wasn't going anywhere; in fact it was probably preventing the character from getting any sort of meaningful buffs. Zelda slowed down the pace of so many matchups to the point where people got fed up with the character not because of her "potential" but because of how the way the character made you play the game. It was slow, boring; it honestly reminded me of brawl. Personally, I think that when large groups of people belonging to 30+ different matchups complain about about how boring your character is to play, it's worth listening to. Obviously, listening to the opinions of the uninformed is cancerous to the development of the game, but I don't think that's what happened with 3.02 Zelda and I don't think it's happening with this transform discussion.
you can elaborate as to why you think its a troll attempt. Are you a bowser main yes or no? Was bowser more nerfed than he was buffed yes or no? Has bowsers MU spread improved yes or no? And finally after talking to every big name bowser player I can think of, have any of them changed their mains yes or no?
1. Except the only moves that have gotten meaningful buffs since the drastic 3.5 nerfs are Farore's Wind and Forward Throw. Din's, Nayru's, Jab, and lightning kicks are moves that are undeniably worse. 3.02 Din's forced approaches in many matchups and Nayru's served as an alternate means to escape combos and could be used as a pseudo approach. With her poor ground and air speed, short dash dance, and short wavedash, Farore's Wind is her optimal approaching tool, but it's not very good versus faster characters that can punish the high startup or the time between the reappear and Zelda's fastest attack. Zelda is a defensive character. I don't think that's news to any good player. 3.02 Din's, Love Jumping, and Diamond Diving were defensive attacks. 3.6 Beta Din's is only decent for offense and serves little defensive purpose as it's bad at controlling space and can't force approaches. Nayru's Glide works if you can auto cancel it onto a platform, but more often than not Nayru's Glide does not help Zelda return to the stage quickly after she's been launched high above platforms or the stage. Diamond Diving actually helped Zelda recover to the stage quicker, which is something she needed since she dies off the top early and didn't have any other attacks that traded well or threatened much space below her. You wouldn't see or hear Zelda mains on the defensive much if she'd received good compensation for what she had lost. As it stands, almost none of her attacks were significantly improved in functionality or utility to help cover the weaknesses she had in 3.02. 3.5 just introduced more weaknesses by removing her strengths, which largely lied in her special attacks. Her ground and aerial attacks are largely the same except jab (which is pitiful now), f-throw (which was buffed), and lightning kicks (whose effective sweetspots are smaller and kill later).
1: No. Being a bowser main isn't required to understand bowser. I have a strong bowser second. Even if I didn't, I could just as well play against the character or as the character + watch videos to get a good understanding of him. You don't need to main a character to know when they have been buffed, or when they need buffs. If the only people with viable opinions on their characters were those character's mains, almost no character would ever get nerfed.
I personally preferred it because it would sit around and still explode when touched, as opposed to boomeranging back to Zelda and having her hope she can get a gfycat combo off the returning hit. They should experiment with giving it some buffs in test builds, like transcendent priority, stronger/bigger explosions, a longer max distance, or being able to place 2 of them. If she's going to keep her niche as a slow and defensive glass cannon, she needs to have defenses that are useful against DD/projectile camping and control space well enough to justify her being so slow.
3.02 fire didn't explode when touched lol, it just hit them weakly then disappeared, which is what the current one does (tho it will go through a returning animation rather than disappearing)
Waiting game? Din's did not delay matches. It covered Zelda's approaches, setup crazy GIF combos or kills, forced approaches, or controlled the space an opponent could travel through without defusing Din's. For a short example, see
uh no it had a hitbox while sitting there lol
3.02 dins had a static hitbox, I don't remember if 2.6b had them though (I started playing a day before 3.02)
Samus actually can't cover the front of her shield very well at all. Screw attack isn't quite big enough, and she doesn't have the aerial mobility to cover any decent space with an aerial OoS. Also no grab OoS.
Oopsy
