kailo34ce
Smash Lord
literally if they had any random excuse for why japan won, they would find it, even something like how they have less stages, even tho like 80% of matches happen on bf or sv
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If that is what is trying to be said, then that is even more of excsuse then what I brought up.i think they are trying to say every match you play on a weird stage is a waste of time? and japan doesnt waste their time with it and dont focus on weirdness?
their solid logic isnt really there besides "hey they placed higher lets copy them"
instead of "hey lets just play more and get better"
Or you can just say We lost on our stages cause Japanese are simple smarter then the USA and don't focus on just camping and timing people out for hours. USA does not seem to care about advance character meta games cause of this. its all money, money, money. "I have to get known in the community to actually be someone. The hell with meta game improvement when I can just do this and get money" So to blame stages and take the blame on yourself is just silly and lame.I stand by the reason being 'solid fundamentals'. Those take a very long time to learn and the Japanese have plenty of focus on that with their stage list choice. When you have the basics down, gimmicks are like simple amendments to your skill set.
The Japanese, for example, have experience with IC's on FD, since there are no stage bans. If you then just let them know that, "hey, on Delfino there's a walkoff portion... don't get grabbed vs DDD", they can utilize their strong fundamental knowledge to that stage.
If you say there is a stage specific infinite that their character can use, I'd bet that they'd be able to utilize it in under a day because the fundamental character control is just that good.
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So in essence, they beat us on our counterpicks because fundamental knowledge requires hours of practice to perfect and utilize in various configurations (more aerial combat vs more ground combat, projectile and item techniques, etc), while stage gimmicks are facts that can be learned and integrated into gameplay in a relatively short amount of time.
Well there are certainly a lot of Johns in America. Such as John12346 in this topic.This
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RC/Brinstar need to go nevertheless, Apex Stage List [+ PS2 maybe] is the best.
Beside that, just get better and stop all the whine/johns.
Might change Land of the Free to Land of the Johns.
Not sure if this is some troll post to sound funny online, but in the case that it is not, i wanna bring something up. If they choose to time people out, then that is their own then. Though when the Japanese did not give them that option, What did the USA have left? Nothing. Cause they choose to focus on one thing. USA limited their options Thinking all they needed to do is time out and camp. it was strip apart and got finished cause they had nothing left to defend themselves with.Maybe the reason they are better than us is because they play with a higher time limit which makes it so they focus less on timing players out and more on actually fighting the opponent.
I'm not necessarily blaming the stages themselves, but rather investigating the method we use to improve. When we try to improve on ourselves while stage gimmicks are in play, then our focus diverges. The Japanese improve on themselves without stage gimmicks, and have that helps them refine their practice methods.You know, reading through this thread is depressing. You have obviously not learned the lesson Apex 2012 showed. The moral of your defeat is obvious, you know why you lost, but you intend to stay with the mentality of " If I lose, I can blame something else for my loss and it's ok.... right? ". You will not grow as a community unless you lose that. The best way to do so is to attend international tournies that are not held in the US. For example, since when have any of you ever traveled outside the US to attend? Only a handful, such as Ally and a few others, have attended a tournament that is outside. Japan has traveled to Apex twice and none of you have ever bothered to attend Japan's biggest national, Sunrise Tournament., which is the only tournament you would ever be interested in because it involves money. A lot of money might I add.
The base of this post is, what are you going to do about your loss? Sit on SWF and whine about how you were defeat and john about if he would have~. No should be the answer. If you want to get better, then attend International tournaments outside the US.
SRT, or Sunrise tournament is being held in Kita - ku , Tokyo, near Ojiekimae Station, in early August. If you want to get better, hope to see you there.
Just to correct one of your points, I would say that Zero vs Ally really wasn't close even if stocks and percent made it seem as such. It was pretty obvious Ally was trolling the entire set and still came out on top 4-0.I think that it's a matter of culture most than anything else. The Japanese are used to obsessing over mastery of one thing and inputting insane hours into their games, while Americans in general aren't. Also, the way I saw it, USA didn't get wrecked, just outplayed by, possibly, slightly more dedicated and committed players. I just watched the M2K vs Ocean match, and while M2K did lose, he barely did so. Saying that M2K got wrecked would be like saying that vVv Zero got wrecked vs Ally, which is not what happened.
All in all, USA got outplayed by, possibly, more dedicated gamers. No need to suddenly feel like you've been exposed as huge noobs in the game and thus need to re ***** everything you know about it. Just take it as an indicator that the game still has more to offer, the metagame for all characters is far from done evolving, and that maybe it's time to put a LOT more of work into the character that best siuts you and your style over the most "successful" one.
Edit: Also, I agree with Tuen 100%. Stages are supposed to be just the location of the match, not take an active participation in it because then you can semi abuse then to score wins, and thus win due to a stage advantage or gimmick rather than your own skill.
homie it's the only time we also legit had a decent sample of their top players also LMAONo one really practiced. I didn't at the very least, my fault. I don't think I needed it though. I rushed Nietono in the wrong way game 2 n 3 =l Japan are still amazing. But I wouldn't say they better than us. This is their first win over us.
ugh that kinda makes my body cringe. I like u Ally as a smasher but that shows alot of weakness. Why would u not train for the biggest tourney of the year in the world.I didn't troll/play with him. Either no practice or it's how my mind wanted to play Snake.
dude come on. he was havin a bad day dont bust up your buddy. I wanted to teach him team spacing
Nah...I had been trying to train for months. We both play wifi. I got ignored mostly. Salty as crap and will never make that mistake again.dude come on. he was havin a bad day dont bust up your buddy
The funny thing is that back in the day at FIU I used to say that all the time and most people including you would say the opposite.The thing people need to understand is on a competative level, there shouldn't be things on the stages to avoid in the first place, except for the person your competing against.
This.Guys, so many people are going "this is why we aren't as good as the japanese!" "the japanese said ___" that they don't actually LISTEN to the Japanese players, lol.
Japanese players have even come out and said essentially that they (a don't consider themselves a much higher level comparing [or even that they're better at all], (b that already there is a large collection of players IN the US that can match the collection of their smaller collection of top players and (c that we should be PLAYING THE ****ING GAME and improving overall.
We're doing something right already. Refine your technique. Practice before tournaments. Study your opponents. If you want to keep squawking "that's what the Japanese did!" then those three things are exactly what the Japanese players have done.
We out.
The same way that Smashville is "competitive" with it's moving platform that interferes with the outcome of the match.Thats fine but explain to me how a stage flipping mid fight is "competative" and not interfering at all with the outcome of any match on that stage ever?
Explain please.
Unless people are dedicating a chunk of time to playing on stages like Brinstar in friendlies, I believe you are implying that players should work on improving and mastering mechanics mid-tournament. I disagree, a tournament is about testing and proving your game knowledge and how mechanically sound your play is. A tournament stage-list should not have a gigantic impact on how you choose to spend your time practicing.And i believe the best way to get better at mastering the fundementals of the game is to play on only the stages where the only things being tested ARE your fundementals.