VideoKidHEERO
Smash Champion
Well it's much better than saying he's high tier. This will do..., I suppose >.>
Let's agree to flame on anyone who says he's high tier though? ;p
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The best Lucas main...
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Let's agree to flame on anyone who says he's high tier though? ;p
Rachmaninav89
Smash Apprentice
I tip my glass to that, and agreed.
*Gavel Down*
Now let's transfer to the Lucas match up thread and update that. =D lol
lil cj
Smash Lord
Maybe someone should make a thread on why and how each character is better than Lucas
and think of strategies on how to overcome the matchup.
and think of strategies on how to overcome the matchup.
Dotcom
Smash Lord
But with certain characters there's just be too many things to talk about like comparing MK, and Lucas. I wouldn't just go on HOW they're better than Lucas, also because of the fact that there are many aspects to characters. Just list pro's and con's in the match up and what things Lucas can do that can do that will probably help him win.
VideoKidHEERO
Smash Champion
^^ This guy. Using his brain and all that good stuff :D
We really need a new match-up thread though, the other one is a bit outdated...
Rachmaninav89
Smash Apprentice
I agree. And we can keep on schedule this time too, lol.
Dotcom
Smash Lord
You guys should talk to Levitas or something, so you all can get a general consensus of who you feel would be the best to head up the new discussion.
I'm going to be around here more often, as I'm going to use Lucas for some of my matches, when I don't think Olimar will be a wise option.
I'm going to be around here more often, as I'm going to use Lucas for some of my matches, when I don't think Olimar will be a wise option.
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Im' totally agree with Galeon's first post,
Lucas is fun to play but he is not a competitive character , He is Bad . It's sad but true.
Lucas seems amazing ( powerful smashes, Nice AT ...) and luckily not many people have matchup experience against him...
In réality , He has a lot of cons
_very bad match up
_he's grab game SUCKS
_Lucas's kill moves are not that good ( early kills is very difficult against good player, lucas's smashes are useless)
_Many of his tricks are PUNISHABLE ( It's easy to hit lucas in his lag)
_Honestly , Even if he has good option while recovering , I dont think he is difficult to gimp
_Sorry,but lucas's spacing = fail ( Galeon, i agree , Mr.shield is a problem for lucas, especially DDD, Snake,Olimar,etc.... defensive characters )
maybe We suck ,
but lucas can't win a high level tournaments...
Oh well, sorry my english sucks too XD
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Im' totally agree with Galeon's first post,
Lucas is fun to play but he is not a competitive character , He is Bad . It's sad but true.
Lucas seems amazing ( powerful smashes, Nice AT ...) and luckily not many people have matchup experience against him...
In réality , He has a lot of cons
_very bad match up
_he's grab game SUCKS
_Lucas's kill moves are not that good ( early kills is very difficult against good player, lucas's smashes are useless)
_Many of his tricks are PUNISHABLE ( It's easy to hit lucas in his lag)
_Honestly , Even if he has good option while recovering , I dont think he is difficult to gimp
_Sorry,but lucas's spacing = fail ( Galeon, i agree , Mr.shield is a problem for lucas, especially DDD, Snake,Olimar,etc.... defensive characters )
maybe We suck ,
but lucas can't win a high level tournaments...
Oh well, sorry my english sucks too XD
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ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
VideoKidHEERO
Smash Champion
Yes, I love when people admit Lucas sucks and can provide facts :D
Levitas
the moon
For some reason, I'm going to respond to tyr's OP.
I will make the following assumptions:
1. There is a top level of skill which cannot be surpassed by humans.
2. This top level of skill is not a frame perfect choice making engine that has been discussed in tactical and always results in stalemate.
Following from 2, we can arrive at:
3. Since stalemate does not come into play, characters with better moves have an advantage in this framework (generalized to the extent that better characters have an advantage)
It would be unfair to assume as a low tier player that your opponent will be worse than you, this is an insult to the community in most cases, though I'll express it as a likelyhood.
Since there is an incentive to win in competitive play, more intelligent people will tend to play as characters that have better tournament results (which correlates to better characters).
It is therefore less likely for a better low tier to come up against a worse high tier than the opposite.
In the radical case of EVERYONE playing at a comparably perfect level, the high tiers will still have an advantage and will still tend to win. This case is radical of course because low tier players tend not to play at such a high level.
So while tyr is correct in saying that we suck, it is unreasonable to conclude that we'd win tournaments if we didn't suck.
I will make the following assumptions:
1. There is a top level of skill which cannot be surpassed by humans.
2. This top level of skill is not a frame perfect choice making engine that has been discussed in tactical and always results in stalemate.
Following from 2, we can arrive at:
3. Since stalemate does not come into play, characters with better moves have an advantage in this framework (generalized to the extent that better characters have an advantage)
It would be unfair to assume as a low tier player that your opponent will be worse than you, this is an insult to the community in most cases, though I'll express it as a likelyhood.
Since there is an incentive to win in competitive play, more intelligent people will tend to play as characters that have better tournament results (which correlates to better characters).
It is therefore less likely for a better low tier to come up against a worse high tier than the opposite.
In the radical case of EVERYONE playing at a comparably perfect level, the high tiers will still have an advantage and will still tend to win. This case is radical of course because low tier players tend not to play at such a high level.
So while tyr is correct in saying that we suck, it is unreasonable to conclude that we'd win tournaments if we didn't suck.
Levitas
the moon
Clearly, but I still felt the need to say it.
good times.
good times.
ChaosTheoryX
Smash Lord
Dead boards are dead
Teh Future
Smash Master
-Tyr makes a post telling Lucas mains to step it up.
-Lucas mains cry about how their character is horrible LMAO
-Lucas mains cry about how their character is horrible LMAO
Noraa
Smash Lord
-people complain about how they arent good and lose all the time
-that person picks up iceclimbers thinking they will win with grabs LMAO
-that person picks up iceclimbers thinking they will win with grabs LMAO
Levitas
the moon
fixed that for you
except when that person is lain and it works... somehow.
themrskills
Smash Apprentice
you know, if you guys really hate the fact that lucas loses tournaments, then either get better and win something or go switch to the top tier boards. in the meanwhile, those of us who enjoy lucas despite his limited options/tendency to do poorly in tournaments can get on with our lives and produce useful, productive posts(jk the lucas boards are actually dead like levitas pointed out)
Teh Future
Smash Master
lol I c wat u did thar.
ZMan
Smash Master
this place is deader than ken's smash career. srsly guys, wtf?
themrskills
Smash Apprentice
Hey, at one point yesterday I saw three people were viewing. That's practically all the lucas mains. Our community is clearly the most unified.
themrskills
Smash Apprentice
^ not trying to demean you efforts dude. Play Lucas with pride despite our growing reputation as possibly the most underused character. We also hold the prize for the deadest board.
Magma Dolphin
Smash Apprentice
So I will admit i don't play Lucas at a highly competitive level, but I enjoy him as a character. However, I was reading this, and at one point Tyr said something to the extent that, Lucas mains need to start focusing on unlocking his potential and by stepping up he will become more tournament viable. I found this interesting because Lucus is not the only character who has the ability to step things up, every character is still being developed, and if all things are accounted for, i think other characters continue to take larger steps forward where Lucas cannot. Recently, it was found that DDD can swallow into an up-tilt if buffered correctly. What does Lucas have that is like that? My point here is, yes Lucas can step up his game and become better, but are his steps large enough to make him viable when everyone else is making steps forward as well? likely not
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lol people bumping tyr's troll threads
Rachmaninav89
Smash Apprentice
I am now bumping Tyr's troll thread that rocketpscience said that people were bumping
Levitas
the moon
I'm now bumping tyrs thread, asking people not to bump dead threads for no reason, asking people not to spam in the lucas boards or others for that matter, and closing this dead piece of motivation.
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