Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Z25]

Z25 : Welp. The server's under maintenance. Maybe tommorow?

It's not.... I'm on a smash match right now.

 

[Shroob]

Can I get @PushDustIn or anyone privy to the datamining info to back me up on Pirate Ship having an _f prefix? If it does, then this news almost confirms a veteran release, imo.

 

[epicmartin7]

It's not.... I'm on a smash match right now.

Sorry about that. I seen the maintenance page and assumed it was Smash lol. I'll go set up the room right now.

 

[Z25]

Sorry about that. I seen the maintenance page and assumed it was Smash lol.

Want me to host the room then?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm serious, the presentation better be on the 6th

2 girls combining is a bad thing,cause its them become just one thing, but them becoming a couple is awesome

But do you burn like a disco inferno?

But the King of Red Lions can talks DX
Who doesn't want a talking boat?
Especially one posed by the King of Hyrule?

Garnet would like to have a talk with you

Because the owner of the SS Linebeck is the greatest Zelda character ever

 

[Dravidian]

Link's sword is a little big.

I'm down for a celtic styled link with a zweihander

 

[epicmartin7]

Want me to host the room then?

Like I edited in. I still will. There was just a little confusion going on with me lol.

 

[Z25]

Like I edited in. I still will. There was just a little confusion going on with me lol.

Ah alright, didn't see it.

 

[Chrono.]

I'm serious, the presentation better be on the 6th

Why though?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

More eika related content and his reasons is something?

Yeah, no. Snake getting in Smash was a bigger deal.

 

[Shroob]

Guys, I may have just cracked the code. If that blank spot was meant for Pirate Ship before it got cut, Wolf(Or any veteran you can think of who isn't in the game yet), chances just skyrocketed.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay, so, I'm going to make my bold prediction.

We're getting Wolf, OR Snake back(Less likely), and they will be released alongside Cloud.

As mentioned before, the missing stage comes before Duck Hunt on the 3ds. Now, as mentioned previously, on the WiiU version, Pirate Ship as a _f affiliated with it. All stages that share versions have this prefix to them, meaning at one point, Pirate Ship was supposed to be on the 3DS as well, but was cut, and replaced with Duck Hunt. This is why Duck Hunt is a free update, imo. However, its placeholder data was not removed for one reason or another.

With this information, this means we have 3 characters coming, and 2 stages. NOTE that the new Character AND Stage slot were added in the last patch, meaning that it's highly likely that this 3rd character could be the ballot choice, and a Newcomer to boot, since they're getting a stage alongside them.

However, this leaves the leftover data. 2 characters, and 1 stage that we already had. Cloud and Midgar are the character and stage, obviously, meaning that the other character does NOT come with a stage.

As far as Smash 4 is concerned, DLC newcomers so far always come bundled with a stage, while VETERANS do not.... See where I'm going with this?

TL;DR: If the 2nd stage on the 3DS was meant for Pirate Ship and is now just leftover data of what could have been, this almost GUARANTEES us a VETERAN reveal alongside Cloud.

Am I crazy, or am I just crazy?

I mean...

That makes some level of sense....

But still, its a bit iffy.

Not the logic.

Just whether or not it will actually happen.

 

[AreJay25]

Okay, so, I'm going to make my bold prediction.

We're getting Wolf, OR Snake back(Less likely), and they will be released alongside Cloud.

As mentioned before, the missing stage comes before Duck Hunt on the 3ds. Now, as mentioned previously, on the WiiU version, Pirate Ship as a _f affiliated with it. All stages that share versions have this prefix to them, meaning at one point, Pirate Ship was supposed to be on the 3DS as well, but was cut, and replaced with Duck Hunt. This is why Duck Hunt is a free update, imo. However, its placeholder data was not removed for one reason or another.

With this information, this means we have 3 characters coming, and 2 stages. NOTE that the new Character AND Stage slot were added in the last patch, meaning that it's highly likely that this 3rd character could be the ballot choice, and a Newcomer to boot, since they're getting a stage alongside them.

However, this leaves the leftover data. 2 characters, and 1 stage that we already had. Cloud and Midgar are the character and stage, obviously, meaning that the other character does NOT come with a stage.

As far as Smash 4 is concerned, DLC newcomers so far always come bundled with a stage, while VETERANS do not.... See where I'm going with this?

TL;DR: If the 2nd stage on the 3DS was meant for Pirate Ship and is now just leftover data of what could have been, this almost GUARANTEES us a VETERAN reveal alongside Cloud.

Am I crazy, or am I just crazy?

I mean, that stage could also be Midgar. Suzaku Castle is on both versions, and Midgar has clearly been in development for a while.

 

[Shroob]

I mean...

That makes some level of sense....

But still, its a bit iffy.

Not the logic.

Just whether or not it will actually happen.

It all falls onto where the stage lies. If it comes before Duck Hunt in the 3DS' list, I'd say it's almost a lock.

AreJay25

But why before Duck Hunt?

EDIT:

Judging by the "_f" at the end of the Pirate Ship stage name (shared 3DS stages have _c), it was probably that. https://t.co/lulpLTGYZp

— Random Talking Bush (@RandomTBush) October 2, 2015

Not sure why there's one empty slot between the Mario Maker stage and the Duck Hunt one though. Maybe something wasn't done yet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

— Shiny Quagsire (@ShinyQuagsire) October 2, 2015

Boom. This, imo, STRONGLY implies that Pirate Ship was meant to be on the 3DS, but was cut and replaced with Duck Hunt, meaning that the space between Mario Maker and Duck Hunt was supposed to be Pirate Ship.

 

[Chrono.]

Guys, I may have just cracked the code. If that blank spot was meant for Pirate Ship before it got cut, Wolf(Or any veteran you can think of who isn't in the game yet), chances just skyrocketed.

Yung Lunk confirmado.

 

[AreJay25]

It all falls onto where the stage lies. If it comes before Duck Hunt in the 3DS' list, I'd say it's almost a lock.

AreJay25

But why before Duck Hunt?

EDIT:

Judging by the "_f" at the end of the Pirate Ship stage name (shared 3DS stages have _c), it was probably that. https://t.co/lulpLTGYZp

— Random Talking Bush (@RandomTBush) October 2, 2015

Not sure why there's one empty slot between the Mario Maker stage and the Duck Hunt one though. Maybe something wasn't done yet. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

— Shiny Quagsire (@ShinyQuagsire) October 2, 2015

Boom

Oops, my mistake. Got them mixed up. Thought _f stages were shared.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

We really need someone to look through the Wii U files to confirm this.

If Pirate Ship is just after Mario Maker with no Space then we got ourselves some evidence.

If there is a similar space, it means this notion is wrong.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

I'm sorry but any vet besides Snake,Ivysaur, or squirtle would just bring me disappointment

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I'm serious, the presentation better be on the 6th

Garnet would like to have a talk with you

Because the owner of the SS Linebeck is the greatest Zelda character ever

Who the hell is Garnet?

But the King of Red Lions has the King of Hyrule, how could you not want to own the boat his soul poses? DX

 

[Shroob]

We really need someone to look through the Wii U files to confirm this.

If Pirate Ship is just after Mario Maker with no Space then we got ourselves some evidence.

If there is a similar space, it means this notion is wrong.

Yes, please. If this is right I'll take a picture of myself eating my shoe I'd be that happy.

 

[Chrono.]

In all seriousness if one character is coming back and they can't have a stage...

They're either any vet sides ICs and Snake or a newcomer from an existing series (would they REALLY need a new stage?).

 

[Dravidian]

Let's not look through files.
I know people want more info, but we have a release period for that info.
Can't we just do some old fashioned speculation?
For old times sake?

 

[Shroob]

Let's not look through files.
I know people want more info, but we have a release period for that info.
Can't we just do some old fashioned speculation?
For old times sake?

We're only looking through what has been looked through hundreds of times already. It's not like we can guess who the other character Cloud is coming with with the info we have in the game already.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Let's not look through files.
I know people want more info, but we have a release period for that info.
Can't we just do some old fashioned speculation?
For old times sake?

You mean the same tired arguments that won't end?

I'd rather have some closure on this.

 

[Chrono.]

Let's not look through files.
I know people want more info, but we have a release period for that info.
Can't we just do some old fashioned speculation?
For old times sake?

I also agree with this...

While this information could be game changing, there's only a couple weeks left till December, nothing wrong with waiting a little bit till then.

 

[Luigi The President]

will if there new characters to the smash series they would need a stage for them.Like cloud needs a stage because he didn't have one before.So if we get 2 new character series in smash the last 2 stages would have to be bundled with them

And it is entirely possible the Ballot winners WON'T be a new series rep. Infact I think they won't be.

Dunno, why did they bundle stages with Ryu and Cloud? Seriously why do you think 2 more characters having stages bundled with them would be random?

Because, as Awesome stated, they were new and unrepped series. You assume the Ballot winners will be from new series, whereas everything else points to this being rivaled. It's completely 50/50 here.

 

[AreJay25]

I don't understand why they'd try to port over Pirate Ship to 3DS anyways. The ONE stage that has water doesn't even allow for swimming.

 

[Deleted member]

I just realized something funny
You know how trophies have listed two games the character appeared in? And how it shows the system it was on? Yeah...

Why though?

Guess what was released on that date last yeat

Who the hell is Garnet?

But the King of Red Lions has the King of Hyrule, how could you not want to own the boat his soul poses? DX

The embodiment of Gayness
Just look it up

Linebeck>>>>>>Literally any other Zelda character

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I don't understand why they'd try to port over Pirate Ship to 3DS anyways. The ONE stage that has water doesn't even allow for swimming.

That's probably why it didn't end up happening.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

GX's Cloud video, surprised we didn't see this sooner.

So he believes his neutral air is his foward air, his forward air is his side special, his side special is his down special, and his down special is some special gimmick?

 

[Shroob]

It's possible that this 2nd character could indeed be a character from an already represented series, but so far, none of the newcomers that we have had had not had a new stage with them. Yes, they were from new franchises, but we also don't have anything else to go off of because of this. We can't say for 100% certainty that if we got a newcomer from say, Donkey Kong, that they wouldn't get a new stage or that they would.

That, we can't know until the Direct.

 

[Dravidian]

You mean the same tired arguments that won't end?

I'd rather have some closure on this.

It's closure we'll get in a matter of weeks.
And I seriously doubt what you'll find will decrease the arguments or their frequency.

We're only looking through what has been looked through hundreds of times already. It's not like we can guess who the other character Cloud is coming with with the info we have in the game already.

I'm just saying that data mining has done nothing but suck the surprise out of announcements so far.

I'll gladly take speculation.

 

[Chrono.]

Guess what was released on that date last yeat

Lol well I'll be

...I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[Spazzy_D]

If this new theory is true then it's NOT Snake. Snake would clearly come with a stage, either his Brawl stage or a new one. No way would they introduce a third party character, vet or otherwise, and not give him a stage.

It would be kind of unfair to Konami... and to us.... no Metal Gear music!

 

[Shroob]

If this new theory is true then it's NOT Snake. Snake would clearly come with a stage, either his Brawl stage or a new one. No way would they introduce a third party character, vet or otherwise, and not give him a stage.

This is a sad but true reality of this theory.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I'm sorry but any vet besides Snake,Ivysaur, or squirtle would just bring me disappointment

But what about Wolf? Oh, right you'd lose a bet

And what about Pichu? He is in your avatar after all

I just realized something funny
You know how trophies have listed two games the character appeared in? And how it shows the system it was on? Yeah...

Guess what was released on that date last yeat

The embodiment of Gayness
Just look it up

Linebeck>>>>>>Literally any other Zelda character

I did it turned up nothing

But the King of Hyrule!
His ship sails in the morning after all.
Just send Link if he's not back in the morning.

 

[BluePikmin11]

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...ommunity-9-12-15.337642/page-12#post-20450951

Check out this week's drawings, tune in next week for Cloud drawings!​

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I think after revealing both Ryu and Cloud.

Anything that's not a newcomer at this phase of DLC will just seem like an afterthought unless it's Snake or Ice Climbers.

And both of those have a very unlikely chance to happen.

Really expect only newcomers from this point out.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

If this new theory is true then it's NOT Snake. Snake would clearly come with a stage, either his Brawl stage or a new one. No way would they introduce a third party character, vet or otherwise, and not give him a stage.

It would be kind of unfair to Konami... and to us.... no Metal Gear music!

What's the summary of this theory? I got a bit lost.

 

[Shroob]

What's the summary of this theory? I got a bit lost.

There aren't 3 stages left, but 2. One of the stages was meant for Pirate Ship to be on the 3DS, but it was cut. This is supported by Pirate Ship on the WiiU having a _F prefix, which all shared stages have.

If there's only 2 stages left, but three characters, it begs the question if one of those characters is a veteran, or a newcomer from an existing franchise.