Thanks for the advice Tekk!
Game 1:
:05- I would never roll in there, i think get up in place or roll away would have got you out guarenteed, you are lucky he wasn't ready to grab you
:15- this is a bad spot to pound in, i think i would wait until i knew some of my opponents habits before assuming he would go right at me, since he already seems to stop and laser a lot
:20- Again the pound is not a good choice against this fox, he isn't aggresive enough
:29- Bad spacing on the fair, try to hit the top of fox's head and then weave out
:32- Lol, you just did what i said you should have done, you are good at spacing those full hop nairs
:34- Fsmash isn't really worth it when fox is at 36 percent imo, again, it just seems like you practice against a really aggressive fox so you keep predicting he will come strait at you, but this fox is playing hella safe, hes just waiting for you to do something laggy so he can punish
1:00- I dunno what you were doing, i would have went out there, but i guess you were predicting phantasm high? Even if that was the case, you could cover more options if you were not on the platform
1:53- I don't know why you turned around, but i would have tried to pivot grab instead of a nair, you are down a stock and this was a good chance to get a grab before he racked up too much damage
1:58- Work on falling upair spacing
2:21- I know you didn't want to rest and trade, but you should have just kept upairing, you could have got like 4
2:40- DONT DO THAT POUND!!! oh god ive died to that so many times, i know its tempting but it won't hit good opponents
2:45- That's the second time hes gone for sweetspot phantasm, if you play him in the future, remember he likes that recovery, or mabye hes reacting to you im not sure, i think you need to go off more to pressure him, i think you would get a lot of gimps that way
(lol, your full hop nair spacing is godly)
3:49- you're so lucky you play pal
3:58- Thats the second time you've predicted like waveland on the platform/jump on, but he used attackon and getup on the last 2 times i remembered so space a backair to cover both of those and after a hundred instead of predicting right away just empty hop to bait a response and then u can react to that slow get on animation
4:01- Stop landing in front of him and sheilding, that would only be good if he upsmashes a lot or something, but the last couple times i think he just kept shielding because he was scared, instead land and grab him immediately
4:02- When he jumped you had your chance to wd oos or roll, don't just let your shield wear down or he will upsmash you like he did
4:19- You had plently of time to see that nair was bad and weave out
4:24- Bad nair, you should have either just baired or naired through to grab or uptilt or something
4:30- You need to stop approaching with pound, i know it is high reward, but it will rarely and if you approach with it, i think mango said a while ago that you never approach with it, you just predict when the are coming in and use it sparingly... so you know, if mango said it its true.
4:37- Lol, stop pounding, just don't use it for like 10 games the next time you play a fox in friendlies, you will notice your game will improve a lot
4:42- Wavelands look sexy, but they aren't as good as picking tech in place to rest and then covering tech away with a bair that will likely send him offstage, also i don't know why you didn't fthrow, im guessing mistake?
4:50- Again you linger in sheild and then are forced to roll, instead just wd oos when you see him full hop or upsmash oos or mabye upair
5:20- Third time hes sweetspot phantasmed
5:45- Lol, don't be flashy just edgeguard
5:50- That was the right idea but you jumped too far out, i don't think you would have hit the airdodge anyway, but you could have been in a position to pressure when he landed, and you would still cover the same recovery options
6:00- Thats why i go up in the air when fox has invul, if you stay on the ground he has an easy grab/upsmash mixup
6:10- Should of just thrown right away, but im guessing you were just nervous, again, no need to waveland platforms, if you had covered tech in place with rest like i said you would have won
6:16- You keep landing and doing nothing like that, try uptilting since he seems to jump right away in response to what you are doing
(You need to do more short hop bair)
6:30- How was that better than just bairing? its better than nair there in everyway
6:32- pound.
6:35- So this is a good example of a general problem. Jiggs has certain spacings where she has the advantage. For example, when she is below fox and when she is completely horizontal and at bair spacing. The spacing you are at in 6:35 if you pause is terrible for puff, thats where fox wants to be because he can full hop nair and **** all of your ****. Think about spacing in this way more and avoid these kind of spots. In this example, you could have fell through the platform instead of going at fox, and you would then be in a favorable position.
6:37- This has happened several times, you wd oos but you do a short wavedash so you still get hit, you need to do a full length wavedash and sometimes jump or dash after the wavedash to escape.
6:40- Lol, the fox you are playing is good, but he is letting you get away with being extremely slow... walk into sheild will get punished HARD by fast foxes
6:43- Work on falling upair spacing
6:44- I think you had time to jump out or at least tech, you put yourself in a really bad position by letting yourself land on that platform without teching, he could have just reacted and upaired and ended it
6:48- See you didn't get punished, but look at how short your wavedash is
If you really want i can watch all of the games and do this, but i might get carpal tunnel and have to quit melee lol
The reason i stopped is because i figure this is enough for you to work on, a few changes alone would allow you to beat him easily imo. Just work on thinking about advantageous spacing, bair instead of nair more when you shorthop, don't pound as much, work on uptilting after landing, upair spacing, and just work on doing everything faster.
Watching Mango replays are so orgasmic and frustrating at the same time. I try playing like him and wind up getting owned. He always knows when to up tilt and hits almost every aerial. Sigh
Guess imma go play some more puff
. Seriously though how does he make it look so easy?
It's because he is one of the handful of people that pays attention to his opponents habits that well. He knows when to uptilt because he knows when they are going to drop their shield and where to space the aerials so they get hit.
I think i am getting to the point where i can devote most of my attention to what my opponent is doing, but i'm not quite there yet.
The main thing that stops you at first is tech skill, your tech skill has to be perfect for obvious reasons.
If there is ever something you mess up (i.e. a rising pound), practice it in training mode until you get it 10/10 times
Next you need to go out there in play because most of your skill will come from experience, you need to know how long all the moves last, what their range is, what their priority is, etc., so play as much as you can and get used to how all your moves work.
Then you need to think about situations and what the best thing to do in that situation is, videos really help here, since you can ask the puff boards, but also its much easier to think about a situation when you aren't in it lol, you can take a lot of time to see why you got hit and what you could have done to avoid that.
After you get ALL of that down solid, you can start really focusing on your opponent's habits, and since they are bogged down with thinking about all the above stuff, they will be predictable and you can rest their rolls... or something like that.
Trust me, it's not easy, it looks easy because since hes so efficient, he does like 3 moves and they all hit perfectly and he kills them, but there is actually a lot of stuff going on in his head, or maybe in his subconscious, while hes just thinking about getting drunk... idk.
Well a mango fanboy would say "he just *****", but I honestly can't find anything else to answer that question lol.
he just win spams, and then he ***** them.
