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I thought Jiggs was one of like two floaties who can't escape Dthrow-Knee at all.
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Stuff About Puff
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Massive
Smash Champion
This is a fact, jiggs and kirby are f***ed if they get dthrow'd by falcon.
You can only rest them out of it if they flub the spacing or go for the reverse knee.
Tekk
Smash Lord
crush
Smash Master
"In Melee, the moonwalk is a backwards sliding motion that can occur in the initial dash animation."
They defined moonwalk, and then listed the eleven characters that could do it by their definition.
And the must have specified dashing on purpose because the eleven characters they listed were the only ones who can moonwalk out of dashing.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Then do it. =)
dudutsai
Smash Lord
So their definition is wrong? I don't get why you're arguing this.... it's a wiki so you could just as easily edit it and have it be right.
crush
Smash Master
No you're wrong. Ask Magus.
and im just trying to defend smash wiki i use that website all the time it showed me that joe bushman was a top 5 fox player in the world
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Every Ganon main eventually switches to Fox.. except if you are a true warrior. lol.
dudutsai
Smash Lord
What is there to ask Magus about? Do you even read your own posts? =/
Is moonwalking out of walk a different technique not called moonwalking?
If there are different ways to do a technique, then you can't just define it as one of the different ways.
Is moonwalking out of walk a different technique not called moonwalking?
If there are different ways to do a technique, then you can't just define it as one of the different ways.
Tekk
Smash Lord
I'm working on it yeah
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As your lawyer i advise you to not defend smashwiki. It is wrong. Especially in the case of that joe bushman example.
crush
Smash Master
i was joking lol
Mahone
Smash Champion
i think we all just need to calm down here lol
Republican0fHeaven
Smash Ace
"Hey, this guy sounds really smart, but I've never seen him play."
Mahone
Smash Champion
... Well, thats understandable, since I never get my videos uploaded to youtube, because it gives away too much of my strategy.
mers
Smash Ace
So I have a question.
I see Hbox combo Jiggs's dair to stuff all the time. Often usmash, but sometimes grab or utilt. If that works, why the hell doesn't dair to rest work? Rest is a faster move than all of the above.
No comprendo.
I see Hbox combo Jiggs's dair to stuff all the time. Often usmash, but sometimes grab or utilt. If that works, why the hell doesn't dair to rest work? Rest is a faster move than all of the above.
No comprendo.
crush
Smash Master
there are some things that just cant be explained.......... Jiggs' dair is not one of them, but im still not gonna tell you the answer
dudutsai
Smash Lord
It does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08DuRbz3JYk
I feel dair is probably the move with the most potential out of all of puff's moveset (other than rollout, of course).
Hungrybox uses it more than any other puff player I've seen, and to good effect...... maybe I'll try to learn it too.
I feel dair is probably the move with the most potential out of all of puff's moveset (other than rollout, of course).
Hungrybox uses it more than any other puff player I've seen, and to good effect...... maybe I'll try to learn it too.
idea
Smash Master
dair is fun and weird. it eats through shields too.
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I was going to ask about puff's dair here before, but after the responses i lost respect for the puff boards.
From my observations of hbox's usage of the move, dair often doesn't true combo so grab is one of the best follow ups. As far as I can tell, the hitstun does scale by percent. I remember a phanna thread a long time ago that gave the percents that characters do the "flip" animation in response to the dair (which is what allows dair->rest combos).
Hopefully someone can post more specifics as I am still learning all the properties of the move.
From my observations of hbox's usage of the move, dair often doesn't true combo so grab is one of the best follow ups. As far as I can tell, the hitstun does scale by percent. I remember a phanna thread a long time ago that gave the percents that characters do the "flip" animation in response to the dair (which is what allows dair->rest combos).
Hopefully someone can post more specifics as I am still learning all the properties of the move.
Massive
Smash Champion
The flips aren't necessary for dair>rest to work.
If you ledgedrop>insta-jump>dair onto the stage you will land on an autocancel frame for dair and can rest/utilt/usmash/grab/etc directly out of it without the need to worry about lcancel timing.
I am (unfortunately) terrible at resting people so I don't get rests out of this as often as I should (also the KC crew is wise to it at this point), but it is great for getting back onto the stage if they're not in the habit of wavedashing away.
If you ledgedrop>insta-jump>dair onto the stage you will land on an autocancel frame for dair and can rest/utilt/usmash/grab/etc directly out of it without the need to worry about lcancel timing.
I am (unfortunately) terrible at resting people so I don't get rests out of this as often as I should (also the KC crew is wise to it at this point), but it is great for getting back onto the stage if they're not in the habit of wavedashing away.
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oh thats neat
Manatee
Smash Apprentice
Can you find a video of this for me? It sounds pretty handy...
Mahone
Smash Champion
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I believe the "flip" happens when the move's KB has more than 31 frames of hitstun, but not that much after factoring in the 0.8 (? I think?) knockback multiplier when a character bounces off the ground from a downward sending attack. That's just a guess, I'd have to explore it more, though I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen with Falco & Falcon's dairs before.
username12345678
Smash Apprentice
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so uh just did something dumb in training mode
apparently rest combos into down throw on fox from 60%-300%+
and on falco from 90%-300%+
it probably gets nulled by DI and at high percents you'd probably be better using F-smash or dash attack
but is this viable?
apparently rest combos into down throw on fox from 60%-300%+
and on falco from 90%-300%+
it probably gets nulled by DI and at high percents you'd probably be better using F-smash or dash attack
but is this viable?
dudutsai
Smash Lord
Pretty hard to combo rest into anything.... I didn't even know it was possible!
Nice discovery
Nice discovery
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well.. that's assuming the opponent doesn't SDI like a monster every hit on Jiggs dair.. it's not really a discovery.
Massive
Smash Champion
What are you talking about?
Do you mean rest out of fox/falco downthrow? or Jigglypuff downthrow to rest?
Fox/falco's percentage or jiggs?
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Oh ya.. I abuse that on people.. lol.. it's a free grab after a dair if they get flipped. Well I mean when I play Falcon.
idea
Smash Master
sounds like he means jiggs's dthrow combos into rest under those conditions.
username12345678
Smash Apprentice
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yeah referring to jiggs dthrow
couldn't get that crap to work on falcon till like 150%+ :l
i should start using D-throw more. D-throw-Fsmash seems alot smoother then F-throw or B-throw then going for the edge-guard
Massive
Smash Champion
You can rest/chainthrow falcon all day if he DIs dthrow back or doesnt DI at all.
You can also rest Sheik and Marth out of an incorrectly DI'd dthrow.
The biggest issue is that dthrow lasts SO LONG that it's easy to DI towards the front of jiggs and get out of it. If your opponent has ANY EXPERIENCE AT ALL against Jigglypuff, dthrow will not be reliable for rests.
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So cosmo taught orly this trick with marth that you shield break a puff after a missed rest by charging shield breaker slightly late. I missed a rest against his marth and he tried it against me. I power shielded it. ****.
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genkaku
Guest
ORLY is so cool.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
Dair upsmash is the stuff of gods
username12345678
Smash Apprentice
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Quoted for truth
Fortress | Sveet
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Yet another day of someone else getting all the love
Mahone
Smash Champion
I love you sveet, that sounds like it totally *****, i usually just queue a roll, but what you did was much better and you ****.
****.
****.
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LOL thanks Mahone
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