Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MamaLuigi123456]

Was thinking the other day about this, but how would you guys feel about that scrapped battle damage mechanic from Brawl making it in? It somewhat makes sense as to why it wouldn't have been fitting with Smash 4's more bright, colorful style, but by the looks of that trailer, this game might revert back to a more dark, epic kind of tone that Melee and Brawl had.

Smash 4 technically has this with Little Mac; his face gets more damaged and bruised the more times you hit him.

That said, I can certainly imagine a few characters getting this sort of treatment. Mario losing his cap, Bowser Jr.'s clown car getting burned and scratched, and R.O.B.'s opticals breaking. I also imagine a few characters would get special idle animations as if they're tired or exhausted, like Yoshi and the Pokemon.

 

[Bowserlick]

ARMS characters could make varied semi-clones.

Springman is the first ARMS Smasher.

• Tapping A after a punch attack, launches the opposite arm out for another punch
• Three different elemental arms can be chosen at the character select screen. One for each fist. Same Arm can be chosen.

The semi-clone would have different stats and different arms.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Right, but every argument to this tonight has been about how Spring Man DOES have a significant advantage over the others.

Actually, the majority of what I was responding to was nonsense about how being on the cover makes a character the main character. Which is still ridiculous.

So far the most compelling statements are related to :
-background lore
-alternate versions
-most sellable character to parents

Everything else was completely an opinion, or in the case of Rocket Raccoon, completely circular logic.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Also.... and I hope this isnt a double post as it is not showing as such to me... let me be clear.

I did not mean to imply Twintelle or Min Min is a guarantee as the character.
I merely meant that the game is 100% ensemble, and no character has a significant advantage over the other.

Leading to the conclusion Sakurai will choose whomever he finds most compelling.

And what I'm saying is that Twintelle/Min Min will not make it in over Spring Man

 

[Zzuxon]

I'd like to contribute this to the discussion. I agree that Spring Man is obviously the Tracer/Ryu of ARMS, however I would also argue that Ribbon Girl is of approximately equal importance in this regard, as she also appears on the cover and in the lion's share of the marketing materials, just like Spring Man does. I could imagine Nintendo/Sakurai possibly choosing Ribbon Girl over Spring Man, if they wanted more girls in the roster, and I could DEFINITELY imagine them giving Spring Man some of Ribbon Girl's abilities in smash so that she could be an alt costume.

 

[pupNapoleon]

And what I'm saying is that Twintelle/Min Min will not make it in over Spring Man

Actually, what you have said repeatedly is that Spring Man is on the cover, which makes him the main character. Which is, to quote Bianca del Rio, bologna.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Actually, what you have said repeatedly is that Spring Man is on the cover, which makes him the main character. Which is, to quote Bianca del Rio, bologna.

And he's on most of the promotional material. Most games usually have the main character on their promotional material.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

And he's on most of the promotional material. Most games usually have the main character on their promotional material.

Please. Please can we stop this discussion. Everyone, but him is on your side here.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I'd like to contribute this to the discussion. I agree that Spring Man is obviously the Tracer/Ryu of ARMS, however I would also argue that Ribbon Girl is of approximately equal importance in this regard, as she also appears on the cover and in the lion's share of the marketing materials, just like Spring Man does. I could imagine Nintendo/Sakurai possibly choosing Ribbon Girl over Spring Man, if they wanted more girls in the roster, and I could DEFINITELY imagine them giving Spring Man some of Ribbon Girl's abilities in smash so that she could be an alt costume.

I don't know why, but that particular line in this quote really bothers me.

Characters should get in because of who they are, not what they are.

 

[pupNapoleon]

And he's on most of the promotional material. Most games usually have the main character on their promotional material.

Yes. And most games actually have a main character.

It's not fair for me to conflate many of the actually logical comments with yours. So anyone with further reasons (again, I really appreciate the notes on the background lore and the ability to sell the game to parents), please do Private Message me.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

Yes. And most games actually have a main character.

It's not fair for me to conflate many of the actually logical comments with yours. So anyone with further reasons (again, I really appreciate the notes on the background lore and the ability to sell the game to parents), please do Private Message me.

I don't understand how you think Spring Man isn't the ARMS character for Smash?

 

[TheSmasher916]

Not to jump in on this debate in any major way (because I honestly don't care enough to argue about it), but I figured I'd give my opinion...

Spring Man isn't necessarily the main character of ARMS, just as Tracer isn't the main character of Overwatch, I don't think anyone realistically argues either of those points. Like others have said, these are games based on the characters more than a single driven narrative, even if one is present, so at the end of the day, no one character is any more important than another, and no one character is necessarily any more representative of the series than another.

With that being said, like Tracer, Spring Man has primarily been used as the "poster-boy" for ARMS, and while not the main character (as there really isn't one), tends to see most of the spotlight within marketing/brand-identity, and hell somewhat in the game itself (with him being the default for the tutorial as well as the existence of Springtron).

Not knocking the plausibility of Min-Min or Twintelle or any other popular ARMS character getting in, but as the first representative of the series withing Smash, it seems more than likely that they'd start with the character most closely associated with being the "main" character, even if there isn't one. Following that character, is when other choices based on popularity or some other factor would likely be added. For example how Pikachu obviously was the first Pokemon added, and now they can get away with including popular choices like Lucario or Greninja, who while may not be of any more significance than any other character in the series, is undoubtedly one of the more popular choices. It's also the same reason why if an Overwatch character were ever to be added, it would most definitely be Tracer before anyone else. The same reason why we got Ryu.

But who really knows only time will tell.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

How many characters do you think will get in through the fighter ballot? Who do you think were the most voted for Nintendo and 3rd party characters?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Spring Man may not be the MAIN character of Arms but he is the face of the series. In that way I guess it is comparable to Pokémon there are plenty of “characters” in Pokémon that can be considered the main character, any of the starters, the Pokémon trainer, but Pikachu is the face, the most promoted, the most profitable, character in the Pokémon franchise. Even 20 years later. I the same way I think it can be stated that Nintendo is trying to push Spring Man in the same way. Contrary to popular belief I don’t think ALL Sakurai thinks about is gameplay, he’s also a businessman. He’s gotta think of the most profitable situations as well.

 

[?????????????]

I don't understand how you think Spring Man isn't the ARMS character for Smash?

The argument would be that ARMS doesn't truly have a main character, so the character that gets into Smash would just be the most interesting character.

For instance, Min-Min could be really interesting cause she uses kung-fu kicks and is associated with the Dragon weapons, which could be especially fun in Smash Bros., in addition to having the abilities of any other character in ARMS.

...But I think Spring Man is an established poster boy.

 

[Zzuxon]

I don't know why, but that particular line in this quote really bothers me.

Characters should get in because of who they are, not what they are.

I would generally be inclined to agree, but I'm simply being speculating on what they might do, not what I think would be a good or desirable thing to do. I really love ARMS, but I personally believe it shouldn't get a smash character at all, as it has not proven its importance to Ninetndo as a series in the way, say, Splatoon has.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

How many characters do you think will get in through the fighter ballot? Who do you think were the most requested Nintendo and 3rd party characters?

Hard to say, but I'll certainly be hoping for some highly-requested characters to finally make their debut now that they have the results.

 

[?????????????]

Likelihood aside, I would LOVE to see an ARMS character in Smash cause I really like ARMS.

 

[TheSmasher916]

Ha, I love what you have to say, but the dark blue font is killing me, bro.

My bad only noticed after the initial post.



Boy has it been a while.

 

[Danpal65]

Let's be honest, the real question is who from 1-2 Switch will be getting in

 

[Zzuxon]

How many characters do you think will get in through the fighter ballot? Who do you think were the most voted for Nintendo and 3rd party characters?

I strongly suspect the K. Rool and Toad Mii Fighter outfits they sold as DLC mean those 2 did very well.

 

[?????????????]

Let's be honest, the real question is who from 1-2 Switch will be getting in

Well, OBVIOUSLY, it will be the glasses-wearing dude with the afro on the box cover

 

[Danpal65]

Well, OBVIOUSLY, it will be the glasses-wearing dude with the afro on the box cover

No way! It has to be the cow milking guy

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Over 1500 words with this Kyo movelist smh. Haven't even begun to organise the gifs either

And yes, Spring Man is the ARMS poster boy, you're living in another universe if you don't think so.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

Contrary to popular belief I don’t think ALL Sakurai thinks about is gameplay, he’s also a businessman. He’s gotta think of the most profitable situations as well.

He's very concerned with artistic integrity, most of the effects of commercialism on his games was from execs twisting his arms. And you thought operating 4 GCCs at once is what crippled him.

 

[Retroend]

Here's hoping...

Super Mario

• Mario
• Luigi
• Princess Peach
• Bowser
• Rosalina & Luma
• Bowser Jr.
• Captain Toad
• Dr. Mario

Donkey Kong

• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong
• Dixie Kong
• King K. Rool
• Pauline

The Legend of Zelda

• Link
• Zelda
• Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Skull Kid
• Toon Link
• Toon Zelda

Metroid

• Samus Aran
• Zero Suit Samus

Yoshi

• Yoshi
• Kamek

Kirby

• Kirby
• King Dedede
• Meta Knight

Star Fox

• Fox McCloud
• Falco Lombardi
• Wolf O'Donnell
• Andross

Pokemon

• Pikachu
• Jigglypuff
• Charizard
• Mewtwo
• Lucario
• Greninja
• Decidueye
• Pichu

F-Zero

• Captain Falcon

EarthBound/Mother

• Ness
• Lucas

Fire Emblem

• Marth
• Roy
• Ike
• Robin
• Corrin
• Lucina

Kid Icarus

• Pit
• Palutena
• Dark Pit

Wario

• Wario

Pikmin

• Olimar
• Alph

Animal Crossing

• Villager
• Isabelle

Wii Fit

• Wii Fit Trainer

Punch-Out!!

• Little Mac

Xenoblade

• Shulk
• Rex & Pyra

Splatoon

• Inkling

Rhythm Heaven

• Rhythm Troupe

Panel De Pon/Puzzle League

• Lip

Retro

• ExciteBike
• Duck Hunt
• Ice Climbers
• Takamaru
• R.O.B.
• Mr. Game & Watch

Third-Party

• Sonic The Hedgehog
• Bayonetta
• Mega Man
• Ryu
• Simon Belmont
• Snake
• Bomberman
• Pac-Man
• Cloud Strife

Palette Swaps

• Bowser Jr. (The Koopalings)
• Captain Toad (Toadette)
• Sheik (Impa)
• Ness (Ninten)
• Marth (Leif)
• Pac-Man (Ms. Pac-Man)
• Bomberman (The Bomberman Brothers)

Spoiler: Character History

Mario (Debut: 1981)

• Donkey Kong Classics (NES)
• Super Mario Bros. (NES)
• Super Mario 64 (N64)

Luigi (Debut: 1983)

• Mario Bros. (NES)
• Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels (Japan Only)
• Luigi's Mansion (3DS)

Princess Peach (Debut: 1985)

• Super Mario Bros. (NES)
• Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES)
• Super Princess Peach (DS)

Bowser (Debut: 1985)

• Super Mario Bros. (NES)
• Mario Party 2 (N64)
• Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr.'s Journey (3DS)

Bowser Jr. (Debut: 2002)

• Super Mario Sunshine (GCN)
• Mario Power Tennis (GCN)
• New Super Mario Bros. U (Wii U)

The Koopalings (Debut: 1988)

• Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES)
• Super Mario World (SNES)
• New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)

Rosalina & Luma (Debut: 2007)

• Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
• Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
• Super Mario 3D World (Wii U)

Captain Toad (Debut: 2007)

• Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
• Super Mario Odyssey (NS)
• Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (NS)

Toadette (Debut: 2003)

• Mario Kart: Double Dash (GCN)
• Mario Party 6 (GCN)
• Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (NS)

Dr. Mario (Debut: 1990)

• Dr. Mario (NES)
• Dr. Mario 64 (North America Only)
• Dr. Mario: Miracle Cure (3DS)

Donkey Kong (Debut: 1981)

• Donkey Kong Classics (NES)
• Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
• Donkey Kong Country Returns (Wii)

Diddy Kong (Debut: 1994)

• Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
• Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (SNES)
• Diddy Kong Racing (N64)

Dixie Kong (Debut: 1995)

• Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest (SNES)
• Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie's Double Trouble (SNES)
• Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (NS)

King K. Rool (Debut: 1994)

• Donkey Kong Country (SNES)
• Donkey Kong 64 (N64)
• DK: King of Swing (GBA)

Pauline (Debut: 1981)

• Donkey Kong Classics (NES)
• Mario VS Donkey Kong 2: March of The Minis (DS)
• Super Mario Odyssey (NS)

Yoshi (Debut: 1990)

• Super Mario World (SNES)
• Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (SNES)
• Yoshi's Story (N64)

Kamek (Debut: 1990)

• Super Mario World (SNES)
• Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (SNES)
• Yoshi's New Island (3DS)

Wario (Debut: 1992)

• Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (GB)
• Wario Land 3 (GBC)
• WarioWare Gold (3DS)

Link (Debut: 1986)

• Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES)
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The Wild (NS)

Princess Zelda (Debut: 1986)

• The Legend of Zelda (NES)
• The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Wii)
• The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The Wild (NS)

Sheik (Debut: 1998)

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (3DS)
• Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition (NS)

Ganondorf (Debut: 1998)

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
• The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (GCN)
• The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii)

Skull Kid (Debut: 2000)

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
• The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64)
• The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D (3DS)

Toon Link (Debut: 2002)

• The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (GCN)
• The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS)
• The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (DS)

Toon Zelda (Debut: 2002)

• The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords (GBA)
• The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (GCN)
• The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (DS)

Impa (Debut: 1986)

• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
• The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/ The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (GBC)
• The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Wii)

Samus Aran (Debut: 1986)

• Metroid (NES)
• Metroid II: Return of Samus (GB)
• Super Metroid (SNES)

Zero Suit Samus (Debut: 2004)

• Metroid: Zero Mission (GBA)
• Metroid: Other M (Wii)
• Metroid: Samus Returns (3DS)

Kirby (Debut: 1992)

• 
  
  
  • Kirby's Dream Land (GB)
  • Kirby's Adventure (NES)
  • Kirby Star Allies (NS)

King Dedede (Debut 1992)

• 
  
  
  • Kirby's Dream Land (GB)
  • Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards (N64)
  • Kirby's Return to Dreamland (Wii)

Meta Knight (Debut: 1993)

• 
  
  
  • Kirby's Adventure (NES)
  • Kirby Superstar (SNES)
  • Kirby Superstar Ultra (DS)

Fox McCloud (Debut: 1993)

• 
  
  
  • Star Fox (SNES)
  • Star Fox 64 (N64)
  • Star Fox Zero (Wii U)

Falco Lombardi (Debut: 1993)

• 
  
  
  • Star Fox 64 (N64)
  • Star Fox Command (DS)
  • Star Fox Zero (Wii U)

Wolf O'Donnell (Debut: 1997)

• 
  
  
  • Star Fox 64 (N64)
  • Star Fox Assault (GCN)
  • Star Fox Zero (Wii U)

Andross (Debut: 1993)

• 
  
  
  • Star Fox (SNES)
  • Star Fox 64 (N64)
  • Star Fox Zero (Wii U)

Pikachu (Debut: 1996)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition (GB)
  • Hey You, Pikachu! (N64)
  • Pokemon Sun/Pokemon Moon (3DS)

Jigglypuff (Debut: 1996)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Red/Pokemon Blue (GB)
  • Pokemon X/Pokemon Y (3DS)
  • Pokemon Sun/Pokemon Moon (3DS)

Charizard (Debut: 1996)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Red/Pokemon Blue (GB)
  • Pokemeon Fire Red/Pokemon Leaf Green (GBA)
  • Pokemon X/Pokemon Y (3DS)

Mewtwo (Debut: 1996)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Red/Pokemon Blue (GB)
  • Pokemon Stadium (N64)
  • Pokemon X/Pokemon Y (3DS)

Lucario (Debut: 2006)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Diamond/Pokemon Pearl (DS)
  • Pokemon X/Pokemon Y (3DS)
  • Pokken Tournament DX (NS)

Greninja (Debut: 2013)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon X/Pokemon Y (3DS)
  • Pokemon Battle Trozei (3DS)
  • Pokemon Sun/Pokemon Moon (3DS)

Decidueye (Debut: 2016)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Sun/Pokemon Moon (3DS)
  • Pokemon Ultra Sun/Pokemon Ultra Moon (3DS)
  • Pokken Tournament DX (NS)

Pichu (Debut: 1999)

• 
  
  
  • Pokemon Gold/Pokemon Silver (GBC)
  • Pokemon Channel (GCN)
  • Pokemon Heart Gold/Pokemon Soul Silver (DS)

Captain Falcon (Debut: 1990)

• 
  
  
  • F-Zero (SNES)
  • F-Zero X (N64)
  • F-Zero GX (GCN)

Ninten (Debut: 1989)

• 
  
  
  • EarthBound Beginnings (Japan Only)
  • ---
  • ---

Ness (Debut: 1994)

• 
  
  
  • EarthBound (SNES)
  • ---
  • ---

Lucas (Debut: 2006)

• 
  
  
  • Mother 3 (Japan Only)
  • ---
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Pit (Debut: 1986)

• 
  
  
  • Kid Icarus (NES)
  • Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters (GB)
  • Kid Icarus: Uprising (3DS)

Palutena (Debut: 1986)

• 
  
  
  • Kid Icarus (NES)
  • Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters (GB)
  • Kid Icarus: Uprising (3DS)

Dark Pit (Debut: 2012)

• 
  
  
  • Kid Icarus: Uprising (3DS)
  • ---
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Marth (Debut: 1990)

• 
  
  
  • Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon & The Blade of Light (Japan Only)
  • Fire Emblem: Mystery of The Emblem (Japan Only)
  • Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon (DS)

Leif (Debut: 1996)

• 
  
  
  • Fire Emblem: Genealogy of The Holy War (Japan Only)
  • Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (Japan Only)
  • ---

Roy (Debut: 2001)

• 
  
  
  • Super Smash Bros. Melee (GCN)
  • Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade (Japan Only)
  • ---

Ike (Debut: 2005)

• 
  
  
  • Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (GCN)
  • Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn (Wii)
  • ---

Robin (Debut: 2012)

• 
  
  
  • Fire Emblem Awakening (3DS)
  • Fire Emblem Warriors (NS)
  • ---

Corrin (Debut: 2015)

• 
  
  
  • Fire Emblem Fates (3DS)
  • Fire Emblem Warriors (NS)
  • ---

Lucina (Debut: 2012)

• 
  
  
  • Fire Emblem Awakening (3DS)
  • Fire Emblem Warriors (NS)
  • ---

Olimar (Debut: 2001)

• 
  
  
  • Pikmin (GCN)
  • Pikmin 2 (GCN)
  • Hey! Pikmin (3DS)

Alph (Debut: 2013)

• 
  
  
  • Pikmin 3 (Wii U)
  • ---
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Villager (Debut: 2001)

• 
  
  
  • Animal Forest (Japan Only)
  • Animal Crossing: City Folk (Wii)
  • Animal Crossing: New Leaf (3DS)

Isabelle (Debut: 2012)

• 
  
  
  • Animal Crossing: New Leaf (3DS)
  • Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer (3DS)
  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (NS)

Little Mac (Debut: 1984)

• 
  
  
  • Punch-Out!! (NES)
  • Super Punch-Out!! (SNES)
  • Punch-Out!! (Wii)

Wii Fit Trainer (Debut: 2007)

• 
  
  
  • Wii Fit (Wii)
  • Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
  • Wii Fit U (Wii U)

Rex & Pyra (Debut: 2017)

• 
  
  
  • Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (NS)
  • ---
  • ---

Shulk (Debut: 2010)

• 
  
  
  • Xenoblade Chronicles (Wii)
  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3D (3DS)
  • ---

Inkling (Debut: 2015)

• 
  
  
  • Splatoon (Wii U)
  • Splatoon 2 (NS)
  • Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (NS)

Rhythm Troupe (Debut: 2006)

• 
  
  
  • Rhythm Tengoku (Japan Only)
  • Rhythm Heaven (DS)
  • Rhythm Heaven Megamix (3DS)

Lip (Debut: 1995)

• 
  
  
  • Panel De Pon (Japan Only)
  • Planet Puzzle League (DS)
  • ---

Takamaru (Debut: 1986)

• 
  
  
  • The Mysterious Murasame Castle (Japan Only)
  • ---

Ice Climbers (Debut: 1985)

• 
  
  
  • Ice Climber (NES)
  • ---
  • ---

Duck Hunt (Debut: 1984)

• 
  
  
  • Duck Hunt (NES)
  • ---
  • ---

ExciteBiker (Debut: 1984)

• 
  
  
  • ExciteBike (NES)
  • ExciteBike 64 (N64)
  • ExciteBiker: World Rally (Wii)

R.O.B. (Debut: 1985)

• 
  
  
  • Gyromite (NES)
  • Stack-Up (NES)
  • Mario Kart DS (DS)

Mr. Game & Watch (Debut: 1980)

• 
  
  
  • Ball (G&W)
  • Game & Watch Gallery (GB)
  • Game & Watch Gallery 4 (GBA)

Sonic The Hedgehog (Debut: 1991)

• 
  
  
  • Sonic The Hedgehog
  • Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut (GCN)
  • Sonic Mania (NS)

Bayonetta (Debut: 2009)

• 
  
  
  • Bayonetta (NS)
  • Bayonetta 2 (NS)
  • Bayonetta 3 (NS)

Mega Man (Debut: 1987)

• 
  
  
  • Mega Man 2 (NES)
  • Mega Man X (SNES)
  • Mega Man 11 (NS)

Ryu (Debut: 1987)

• 
  
  
  • Street Fighter II
  • Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition (3DS)
  • Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection (NS)

Simon Belmont (Debut: 1986)

• 
  
  
  • Castlevania (NES)
  • Castlevania II: Simon's Quest (NES)
  • Super Castlevania IV (SNES)

Snake (Debut: 1987)

• 
  
  
  • Metal Gear (NES)
  • Metal Gear Solid
  • Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (GCN)

Bomberman (Debut: 1983)

• 
  
  
  • Bomberman (NES)
  • Bomberman Hero (N64)
  • Super Bomberman R (NS)

Pac-Man (Debut: 1980)

• 
  
  
  • Pac-Man
  • Pac-Man World (GBA)
  • Pac-Man Champion Edition 2 (NS)

Ms. Pac-Man (Debut: 1981)

• 
  
  
  • Ms. Pac-Man
  • Pac-Land (NES)
  • Pac-Man World Rally (GCN)

Cloud Strife (Debut: 1997)

• 
  
  
  • Final Fantasy VII
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oh are we doing our own rosters now? then allow me to show you my dream roster.
Mario
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Bowser Jr.
6. Rosalina

DK
7. DK
8. Diddy Kong
9. Dixie Kong- Prominent in the DK series and new female character.
10. King K Rool- New villain to the franchise.

Zelda
11. Link
12. Zelda
13. Sheik
14. Ganondorf
15. Toon Link
16. Impa- Is becoming relevant again.

Metroid
17. Samus
18. ZSS
19. Ridley- Highly requested character and villain.

Yoshi
20. Yoshi

Kirby
21. Kirby
22. Meta Knight
23. King Dedede
24. Bandanna Waddle Dee- Has been showing up more often in the recent Kirby Games.

Star Fox
25. Fox
26. Falco
27. Wolf
28. Krystal- Could use another staff wielder. Plus another female character.

Pokemon
29. Pikachu
30. Jigglypuff
31. Mewtwo
32. Charizard
33. Lucario
34. Greninja
35. Decidueye- Having an arrow based fighter would be unique. Also finishes the water, fire, grass combination.

F-Zero
36. Captain Falcon

Mother
37. Ness
38. Lucas

Fire Emblem
39. Marth
40. Roy
41. Ike
42. Robin
43. Corrin
44. New FE character.

Kid Icarus
45. Pit
46. Palutena
47. Hades- New villain to the franchise. We need more villains.

Xenoblade
48. Shulk
49. Rex- Xenoblade is growing in popularity.

Warioware
50. Wario

Pikmin
51. Olimar

Animal Crossing
52. Villager

Punch Out
53. Little Mac

Wii Fit
54. Wii Fit Trainer

Gyromite
55. R.O.B

Duck Hunt
56. Duck Hunt

Ice Climber
57. Ice Climbers

Game and Watch
58. Mr. Game and Watch

Golden Sun
59. Isaac- New Sword wielder with magical powers.

Arms
60. Spring Man- Unique arm fighter.

Splatoon
61. Inklings- Popular new series.

Retro
62. Takumaru- New retro character. Wasn't known before but now is known better.

Sonic
63. Sonic

Megaman
64. Megaman

Pac-man
65. Pac-man

Street Fighter
66. Ryu

Final Fantasy
67. Cloud

Bayonetta
68. Bayonetta- Really wish she didn't win the ballot.

Metal Gear
69. Snake

Banjo Kazooie
70. Banjo Kazooie- Microsoft representative.

All Miss's are gone and so are the clones. What do you guys think of my list? Let me know.

 

[?????????????]

No way! It has to be the cow milking guy

Please. Afro-dude is the poster boy of the series, and parents will immediately recognize and buy the game upon seeing his face.

But perhaps a more interesting character, like overweight cowboy, COULD be chosen instead...

 

[TheSmasher916]

How many characters do you think will get in through the fighter ballot? Who do you think were the most voted for Nintendo and 3rd party characters?

It's hard to say exactly who the most voted were considering I'm sure the vocal online community was a minority of the overall votes.

With that being said, I'm sure the choices for this game are heavily going to be reflective of the results. That data (impossibilities and memes aside) must be a gold mine not only for Sakurai and the Smash devs but for Nintendo as a whole. I wouldn't go as far to say that every newcomer in this game will be a highly requested fan-favorite suspected ballot-topper, but I also wouldn't be surprised if got quite a few more popular picks than usual this time around.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Let's be honest, the real question is who from 1-2 Switch will be getting in

Let's leave that one for @BluePikmin11 to come up with his famous out-of-the-box characters

 

[Danpal65]

Please. Afro-dude is the poster boy of the series, and parents will immediately recognize and buy the game upon seeing his face.

But perhaps a more interesting character, like overweight cowboy, COULD be chosen instead...

That's pretty tough logic to argue against, but you are forgetting to consider the mysterious box with an unknown number of balls in it was the star of the 1-2 Switch manga series

 

[?????????????]

Let's leave that one for @BluePikmin11 to come up with his famous out-of-the-box characters

If BluePikmin thinks of a Nintendo Labo character, it'll LITERALLY be out-of-the-box :D

 

[MopedOfJustice]

oh are we doing our own rosters now? then allow me to show you my dream roster.

*super snip*

Can we have these be collapsed in the future, by any chance?

 

[Arcanir]

How many characters do you think will get in through the fighter ballot? Who do you think were the most requested Nintendo and 3rd party characters?

Two or three if I were to guess. Fuzzy Pickles brought it up before, but Brawl's poll only really got us two (confirmed at least) characters in the form of Sonic and Mega Man, and the latter had to wait a game to get in. So assuming that they do draw from the ballot as they said, we probably would only get a couple more with the rest being Sakurai's own picks.

As for who, that's a bit harder to guess since our general polls can be limited in scope and none of us caught Bayonetta as a popular choice. With that said, if the Mii costumes are any indication, King K. Rool, Toad, and Isabelle could've been high up there for Nintendo while those like Monster Hunter could've been popular choices for third party. Inklings as well, though they're more arguable since you could say the costumes were more for promotional purposes like Corrin. Outside of that, characters like Dixie also could've done well since they tend to be decently popular.

 

[MopedOfJustice]

That's pretty tough logic to argue against, but you are forgetting to consider the mysterious box with an unknown number of balls in it was the star of the 1-2 Switch manga series

The manga isn't canon! We can't have expanded lore compromising the integrity of Smash Bros. Next you'll say we need to incorporate the Nintendo Cinematic Universe even though it's not even the same timeline.

 

[?????????????]

Rosters? I haven't updated mine in two years...I'd add Spring Man now, and trim down the third party characters and some of the veterans I brought back. The idea here was "the maximum amount of characters for a Smash Bros. on Switch, after all DLC."

 

[Retroend]

Can we have these be collapsed in the future, by any chance?

my bad. will do so in the future.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

SNIPPERCLIPS FOR SMA5H!

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.

Yeah, I think it will be either one of these months.

 

[Danpal65]

What do you guys think the release month for this is? I’m thinking it could be September to coincide with Nintendo’s online service, or November since that is a hot release month for big Nintendo releases.

I am 99% certain that it will release in September along with the online service. To me, the only that thing that could cause it to change is if they delay the online service until October or November.