Smash 4 in Famitsu: Lucina, Robin, Captain Falcon, Kirby's Lucina Mask

[Banjodorf]

Depends, Luma looks to hardly have as complex an AI as Nana has.

And is also not as detailed as Nana would be graphically. So 4 Lumas on screen isn't as much of a strain as 8 Ice Climbers.

 

[PlTe]

As to the whole Ice Climbers thing, I think they'll be the last pic of the day reveal characters we'll get. Wario and Meta Knight could be revealed in trailers alongside other newcomers.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So, Chrom is cut during development.

THE LEAK LIVES ON, @ Mega Bidoof

I KNEW IT!
THAT WAS MY THEORY ALL ALONG!

YEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!!!!
CHORUS KIDS FOR SMASH!


THE HYPE ISREAL!

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Just to clarify, I do still think ICs are in of course, but I won't rule out the slight possiblity.

EDIT: Turns out the cut character thing might be bogus, calm your horses.

 

[Rocket Raccoon]

I KNEW IT!
THAT WAS MY THEORY ALL ALONG!

YEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!!!!
CHORUS KIDS FOR SMASH!


THE HYPE ISREAL!

Where's the happy Mr. Mosby?

If it wasn't Chrom, who could be it?

 

[Wolfie557]

So so cool!

 

[Jay2K]

I think the Smash Bros. series will always have to deal with clone characters. While, of course, no one wants the roster to be flooded with carbon copies of pre-existing characters, I don't think there will be a Smash Bros. game that lacks at least one set of clones.

 

[TheAnvil]

This has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the leak was fake.

Chrom still isn't in, Robin still is. As we know, all characters were chosen from the start.

 

[Agualitos]

Seeing how Lucina used to be an alt skin for Marth, this information gives me hope that we will se a wide variety of characters as alternates! This could go for Daisy (Peach), Dark Pit (pit), Birdo (Yoshi), and who knows maybe even a Chrom outfit for Ike? Yeah yeah. . . I know this probably is a little too much, but it really is possible. Certain characters that are considered "clones" really do have a chance, even if it's for an alternate costume! :D

Really interesting to see how Sakurai thinks, and feels, about certain scenarios during development. Plus Kirby's Lucina's mask. . . priceless! :D

 

[greenluigiman2]

No - Immortal said Lucina was once a Marth skin.
So I'm wondering if we'll see, for example, a Daisy skin (where it's actually Daisy) for Peach or something.

Lucina is different than Daisy, because for a portion of the game she was basically Marth. Lucina and Marth have an extremely close relation to each other. Peach and Daisy are straight up different characters.

This has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the leak was fake.

Chrom still isn't in, Robin still is. As we know, all characters were chosen from the start.

The leak is not "fake" it just got something wrong. There are many instances where legit leaks got things wrong. Especially when it comes to Pokemon.

 

[Immortal]

Again, for clarity, there are now multiple translations saying there is no mention of a cut character. That part appears to have been a mistake. Sorry.

 

[Famous]

Where's the happy Mr. Mosby?

If it wasn't Chrom, who could be it?

It was a misinterpretation. No characters were cut. Go back to page 1

 

[Dracometeor]

So I don't know about you guys, but the most interesting part of this is that Sakurai planned on having Lucina as an alt skin.... This opens the doors of possibility for all/other characters to get alt skins AND for the skins to reference other characters in the franchise.

Think Chunky Kong as a DK skin.
Daisy as Peach.
Bandana dee as Kirby.
Sonic as knuckles.
And so many more. I'm so hype!!!!!!!!!

 

[JayJay584]

This has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the leak was fake.

Chrom still isn't in, Robin still is. As we know, all characters were chosen from the start.

Plus, the leaker said the day before the reveal that it'd be Shulk. Are we just going to forget that?

 

[GamerGuy09]

So I don't know about you guys, but the most interesting part of this is that Sakurai planned on having Lucina as an alt skin.... This opens the doors of possibility for all/other characters to get alt skins AND for the skins to reference other characters in the franchise.

Think Chunky Kong as a DK skin.
Daisy as Peach.
Bandana dee as Kirby.
Sonic as knuckles.
And so many more. I'm so hype!!!!!!!!!

I agree with everything but Bandana Dee. He should have his own moveset, I don't even know how a Skin would be possible.

 

[TheAnvil]

Plus, the leaker said the day before the reveal that it'd be Shulk. Are we just going to forget that?

Apparantly.

I don't get why people are so desperate to cling to this leak? Any other leak would have been disregarded with as much false info that the Gematsu gave us/didn't give us.

 

[hotcrumpets]

Apparantly.

I don't get why people are so desperate to cling to this leak? Any other leak would have been disregarded with as much false info that the Gematsu gave us/didn't give us.

When you believe something is real for so long it is hard to let go for some people

 

[GamerGuy09]

Apparantly.

I don't get why people are so desperate to cling to this leak? Any other leak would have been disregarded with as much false info that the Gematsu gave us/didn't give us.

Three strike rule:

X - No Rosalina

X - No Chrom

X - No Shulk Reveal

X - Robin Revealed

X - No Lucina Mention

I do not believe this leak anymore.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Three strike rule:

X - No Rosalina

X - No Chrom

X - No Shulk Reveal

X - Robin Revealed

X - No Lucina Mention

I do not believe this leak anymore.

It's got five strikes. Zinger!

 

[HenryZusa]

Yesterday I posted this in the Lucina subforum:

I have an strange theory: Chrom was originally planned as the Fire Emblem character of this game, but Sakurai and his team seeing the people's opinions about him since last year/months made them change their mind about his inclusion, and instead they changed Chrom for Robin. Remember the main argument of the community against Chrom is 'oh not just another blue-haired SWORDSMAN from Fire Emblem', also the whole internet considering Chrom's inclusion a fact thanks to the Gematsu leak caused a lot of hate against him, and if you remember there was stated at E3 that there are people from Nintendo among us (Smashboards and other videogame sites), so maybe knowing this the development team changed their mind and decided to include Lucina as a 'last minute replacement', making her a clone cause they didn't have the time to develop a whole new character having wasted Chrom.
But maybe they finished Lucina before planned and had still some time, so they included Robin, if you payed attention you may remember him stating during his trailer 'I am no ordinary swordsman', making a reference of how people didn't want another swordmand from FE. And Chrom defeated on the floor 'having his chance another day'. But his model was already complete, so they decided to use him as a part of Robin's Final Smash.
If this supposed change of plans ocurred it could have been during the last few months, as they even had to make a CGI trailer for them.
Yeah, this may sound far-fetched for some of you, but I think it could be a possibility.

 

[Spazzy_D]

This has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the leak was fake.

Chrom still isn't in, Robin still is. As we know, all characters were chosen from the start.

Except one of the chosen characters was cut and replaced by a clone last minute, so it wouldn't matter when they were chosen. Waiting for a better translation in any case.

Edit: seems like the consensus is it was a bad initial translation.

 

[Your Hero]

If Chrom were a unique character, I don't see why they wouldn't have given Lucina his move set since they have similar fighting styles. So that means if he was cut, he would have also been a clone of Marth.

And when you debate whether or not to make Chrom or Lucina the Marth clone, Lucina is much more appropriate (plus it adds an extra female rep). So regardless it sounds like Sakurai made the right call.

Also wouldn't Chrom have made a more appropriate final smash for Lucina?

 

[quarth]

yeah, there is absolutely nothing on the scans saying anything related to characters being cut. the person on neogaf who posted that stuff in the first place only got that info from "japanese messageboards" so it has about as much credence as something posted on 4chan.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So if the cut character thing wasn't real.

Where did that info come from?

yeah, there is absolutely nothing on the scans saying anything related to characters being cut. the person on neogaf who posted that stuff in the first place only got that info from "japanese messageboards" so it has about as much credence as something posted on 4chan.

Okay then.

So where did they get that info?

They may be on to something here.

 

[Malkior7]

Love kircina (Lucirby?) and I don't think Chrom was cut (I don't think any character was cut) it just wouldn't make sense for Sakurai to cut Chrom for a less unique character.

It doesn't say anything good about Cap Falcon?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So if the cut character thing wasn't real.

Where did that info come from?

Apparently the first translator got his info from Japanese forums, he probably mixed things up somehow with speculation.

 

[TheAnvil]

This article also proves that Shulk was never planned for Monday's reveal.

So Gematsu is wrong on that one completely and has no excuses for "last minute switch".

 

[Saikyoshi]

There's still a little time before release, so I'm hoping Sakurai can change at least one of her animations... Or at least tweak more of her stats so that she isn't just a weaker Marth.

 

[yoonb]

I think this definitely does support the Gematsu leak if Chrom was the one who got cut. But that is something we'll never know. He's got a model and the fact that Lucina was the one used to compensate could be used as evidence for the leak. The Gematsu leak never stated either that the characters revealed were the only newcomers left in the game. Being 8/11 on newcomer reveals thus far is not bad and the only one who he missed out on was Chrom when he revealed the list. It could really go both ways.

I'm someone who supports the leak heavily because Shulk so I'm biased. There's a lot of good evidence against the leak, however, but I think in this case, the Famitsu article does support the leak.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

This has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the leak was fake.

Chrom still isn't in, Robin still is. As we know, all characters were chosen from the start.

Yes, but many people theorized that the reason the Gematsu leak didn't know which XY Pokémon was in, and didn't know wether Lucas or Ness would be cut, was because the information was outdated.

If Chrom was indeed planned and cut during development, this would make Chrom being on the leak and not being in make sense, and the leak could still be true.

 

[Icedragonadam]

This article also proves that Shulk was never planned for Monday's reveal.

So Gematsu is wrong on that one completely and has no excuses for "last minute switch".

Wouldn't it take quite some time to upload a video anyways, going on youtube taking forever to upload any video logic.

 

[PizzaWenisaur]

Who was cut...Chorus Kids...

Lucina is different than Daisy, because for a portion of the game she was basically Marth. Lucina and Marth have an extremely close relation to each other. Peach and Daisy are straight up different characters.


The leak is not "fake" it just got something wrong. There are many instances where legit leaks got things wrong. Especially when it comes to Pokemon.

Lucina still is a different character though - however, I'll agree that they share more similarities than Daisy and Peach.
Seems like Sakurai opened the flood gates by breaking the "Alts aren't actually different people" thing.

 

[quarth]

So if the cut character thing wasn't real.

Where did that info come from?



Okay then.

So where did they get that info?

They may be on to something here.

"japanese bulletin boards" probably meaning 2ch, the biggest and most popular japanese board. anyone in japan can post stuff anonymously there (like there's no registration system or anything, it's basically like a text-only version of 4chan) and it's not reliable information at all. also, the person who found this info originally and posted it on neogaf went back and edited their post to remove it and say that it was "wrong" info.

edit: i realize i probably sound insulting, and that's not my intention, i just think people would be better off being skeptical of things until someone makes sure all the scans have been posted and a few reliable people have translated it instead of taking one person's word for truth right away.

 

[Your Hero]

Who was cut...Chorus Kids...

Assuming they were planned, they weren't cut completely. They wouldn't have a Rhythm Heaven enemy in Smash Run if there were no Rhythm Heaven reps on the roster. The same applies for Ice Climbers.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Anyway, having her overwrite a vacant slot does make sense in terms of programming. If a resource no longer exists, anything that points to that location will start getting confused and glitching. That's what it means to dummy something out - putting garbage data onto a removed element to prevent errors.

This isn't calling Lucina garbage (though she really is as of yesterday's PotD) - most games import blank resources and redirects onto the vacant slot, so putting in something that functions (albeit barely) is unusual. And it's not unlike what Project M did with Mewtwo and Roy (except they did it a lot cleaner).

 

[Xermo]

Finally a Kirby Hat from a newcomer that's good. I bet Kirby thinks no one can recognize him now lol

Palutena kirby tho.

 

[elephant13]

edit: nvm.

 

[dimensionsword64]

If Chrom was changed, then why didn't the leaker tell us? He couldn't have been worried about being caught, since he sent sal another email a few days ago.

 

[Fastblade5035]

There's clamoring for Daisy alts for Peach, Knuckles for Sonic, etc...

Did no one pay attention to yesterdays Pic of the Day?

 

[lightdasher]

It doesn't say anything about a cut, where are you pulling this information from? Did someone "translate it" and decide to mess with everyone?