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Bandana Dee: the rerate so epic, it's spilling into the new year!
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Bandana Dee's Epic Rerate! Exclusively for the Smash World Forums!Bandana Dee: the rerate so epic, it's spilling into the new year!
you do realize that the year of luigi is continuing into 2014, right?Happy New Year everyone! And happy last-day-of-the-year-of-Luigi!
Well that makes me happy!you do realize that the year of luigi is continuing into 2014, right?
Yeah, and Toad isn't a regular Toad either.WHAT??? He is not a regular Waddle Dee.
I'm aware he's not a regular Waddle Dee. I just don't think those things matter as much as you think they do.Is King Dedede throwing a Waddle Dee wearing a bandana? I think not, and before you say that Bandana Dee is a normal Waddle Dee look in the trivia here
That wasn't the point. The point is that Sakurai doesn't explain everything right away. The Yellow Devil wasn't explained right away either. Mega Man was revealed at the same time as the Yellow Devil. Sakurai can reveal things in whatever way he wants. He's clearly willing to allow some confusion to develop.So you mean the Gyroid move isn't part of Villager's moveset now?
And this obviously means it's impossible? Despite the strong inclination one ought to have to think that Sheik is returning, we should just assume what you want to be true, despite there also being some evidence there that it IS an AT? (Namely, the exact same pose being used WITHOUT a Phantom.)And no AT yet has been revealed without any sort of announcement.
Yoshi has his own series and is part of the larger Mario universe, and Mario is the biggest video game series in the world. Pokemon reps pretty much have to be Pokemon, Pokemon has 200+ million in sales, Kirby has about 30 million. The situations of Yoshi and Pokemon are completely different.Negatives:
Very generic. Yoshi and Pokemon.
Could easily end up as part of Dedede's side special.
You have this backward. You need to wait for Dedede's reveal before you jump to conclusions that Waddle Dee is getting in. This is like arguing that we needed to wait for Toad's reveal before marking Toad's chances down for being part of Peach's move set. That would've been dumb, and you can surely see why. You should be increasing the uncertainty in response to this lack of knowledge, not arguing that we should all instead boost our ratings to 80%.That's why we need to wait for Dedede's reveal.
Definitely not a necessary character even from a fan perspective.
Rosalina is far more unique, not part of any move set, not a glorified grunt, and from a series that has over 500 million in sales. Rosalina is more comparable to Prince Fluff - except, you know, she's from the biggest video game series on the planet and therefore had far more chance of becoming playable than Prince Fluff ever will.Rosalina.
Has to compete with several more important characters. Rosalina.
Look, you should at least do some research on Toad before you complain about people giving Waddle Dee short shrift. In Japan, Toad (the character) is known as Kinopio (a play on Pinocchio), while toads (the Mushroom Kingdom people) are known as Kinoko-zuko (mushroom-people). But yes, in other languages, he has the same name as his species. However, Kinopio is obviously not generic. He has his own name, "Bandana" Waddle Dee (merely a fan nickname) does not. Kinopio's look might vary, but in Japan he is clearly distinguished by his name. To Sakurai, who is used to the Japanese versions, Kinopio would not seem nearly as generic as Bandana Waddle Dee because he is used to Kinopio being called out by name, while generic toads would not be. Playing as Kinopio in Super Mario 3D World would not be playing as a generic toad, it would be Kinopio.Bandana Dee is THE Waddle Dee,not just a normal Waddle Dee with a bandana,he is not like Toad,Toad is generic,there is a lot of blue or red Toads,
Who doesn't even rate getting a name.Bandana Dee is his own character,
Then why did you say we need to wait til Dedede's reveal?But yeah,in summary,If Dedede throws Bandana Dee,he would be disconfirmed,but if Dedede throws a normal Waddle Dee,there is no reason to believe that he would be disconfirmed.
Blah blah blah Waddle Dee blah blah hate blahMisc note: As others have noted, this re-rate isn't necessary. How about the Bandana Dee fans refrain from pushing him to 100 renom votes until there's some actual Kirby news next time? Rosalina does not have enough bearing on Waddle Dee to warrant a re-rate.
Yeah, and Toad isn't a regular Toad either.
I forgot to mention the fact that Bandana Waddle Dee doesn't even have an official unique name. He's just called Waddle Dee.
I'm aware he's not a regular Waddle Dee. I just don't think those things matter as much as you think they do.
That wasn't the point. The point is that Sakurai doesn't explain everything right away. The Yellow Devil wasn't explained right away either. Mega Man was revealed at the same time as the Yellow Devil. Sakurai can reveal things in whatever way he wants. He's clearly willing to allow some confusion to develop.
And this obviously means it's impossible? Despite the strong inclination one ought to have to think that Sheik is returning, we should just assume what you want to be true, despite there also being some evidence there that it IS an AT? (Namely, the exact same pose being used WITHOUT a Phantom.)
I'm not saying that it can't be part of Zelda's move set. But Sakurai is just letting us sit and speculate a while. It will be explained eventually. What are the chances that if it's revealed to be an AT that you'll suddenly think Impa's not making it in? You'll just come up with some other reason why she's a sure thing.
Yoshi has his own series and is part of the larger Mario universe, and Mario is the biggest video game series in the world. Pokemon reps pretty much have to be Pokemon, Pokemon has 200+ million in sales, Kirby has about 30 million. The situations of Yoshi and Pokemon are completely different.
You have this backward. You need to wait for Dedede's reveal before you jump to conclusions that Waddle Dee is getting in. This is like arguing that we needed to wait for Toad's reveal before marking Toad's chances down for being part of Peach's move set. That would've been dumb, and you can surely see why. You should be increasing the uncertainty in response to this lack of knowledge, not arguing that we should all instead boost our ratings to 80%.
Rosalina is far more unique, not part of any move set, not a glorified grunt, and from a series that has over 500 million in sales. Rosalina is more comparable to Prince Fluff - except, you know, she's from the biggest video game series on the planet and therefore had far more chance of becoming playable than Prince Fluff ever will.
Kirby is not comparable to Mario, and Mario could get Birdo and it wouldn't change my opinion much about how deserving grunts from other series are. Mario is big enough that even its grunts are big names compared to a lot of games' major characters.
Look, you should at least do some research on Toad before you complain about people giving Waddle Dee short shrift. In Japan, Toad (the character) is known as Kinopio (a play on Pinocchio), while toads (the Mushroom Kingdom people) are known as Kinoko-zuko (mushroom-people). But yes, in other languages, he has the same name as his species. However, Kinopio is obviously not generic. He has his own name, "Bandana" Waddle Dee (merely a fan nickname) does not. Kinopio's look might vary, but in Japan he is clearly distinguished by his name. To Sakurai, who is used to the Japanese versions, Kinopio would not seem nearly as generic as Bandana Waddle Dee because he is used to Kinopio being called out by name, while generic toads would not be. Playing as Kinopio in Super Mario 3D World would not be playing as a generic toad, it would be Kinopio.
With that, the other stuff you said about Toad can be dismissed. Waddle Dee is not really all that more unique. And at the same time, he also has less history and fewer playable roles than Toad.
Who doesn't even rate getting a name.
Then why did you say we need to wait til Dedede's reveal?
The only thing that will convince you that Waddle Dee's chance is not 80% is the game releasing or Bandana Dee being explicitly shown as not playable. Or perhaps some other Kirby newcomer (which is fairly unlikely).
I wonder why nobody has any comment about how Waddle Dee being a spear user isn't really that interesting... I saw one other person make the point that the things that could make the spear unique are actually already features used by Marth (stabbing, having a sweet spot on the tip). He'll have less reach than most of the sword users!
Whoa, whoa, wh-****ing-oa, son. Chandelure, what the heck man, I thought we were bros? What's with all the Toad slating? My boys out, I gettit, but c'mon to state Toad isn't important to Mario just hurts especially considering all the additional playable roles he's had of recent.Bandana Dee is THE Waddle Dee,not just a normal Waddle Dee with a bandana,he is not like Toad,Toad is generic,there is a lot of blue or red Toads,Bandana Dee is his own character,and has a personality,he is more like Toadsworth,an important and UNIQUE member of a species.
Here is another example,what can do Blue Toad that Yellow Toad can't do?... NOTHING.
Bandana Dee is stronger than a normal Waddle Dee,is a warrior and has the role of Dedede's right hand,normal Waddle Dees can't do that.
But yeah,in summary,If Dedede throws Bandana Dee,he would be disconfirmed,but if Dedede throws a normal Waddle Dee,there is no reason to believe that he would be disconfirmed.
Oh sorry buddy,but I didn't say the Toad species is not important to the Mario series,we all know is important,I only said that all the Toads are the same,except for Toadsworth or Captain Toad.Whoa, whoa, wh-****ing-oa, son. Chandelure, what the heck man, I thought we were bros? What's with all the Toad slating? My boys out, I gettit, but c'mon to state Toad isn't important to Mario just hurts especially considering all the additional playable roles he's had of recent.
Although I do agree Toadsworth is an important and unique member of his species, Toad(Both Captain and Blue) are far more comparable to Bandanna Dee than Toadsworth is and here is why:
- Toad is largely considered the 4th playable character akin to Bandanna Dee.
- Toad hosts minigames comparable to Bandanna Dee. Toadsworth tried hosting the Toad houses but unlike Blue Toad(or Captain) he has faded into obscurity since Mario Sunshine. The opposite of Bandanna Dee and Blue Toad.
- Bandanna Dee and Toad are both hands on guards; even though Toadsworth weilds a walking cane he has never taken an active part in defending his monarch unlike Bandanna Dee and Toad.
- Toad is popular. Bandanna Dee is popular. Toadsworth? Not so much. Toadsworth hasn't even been playable in Mario Kart yet which is saying something.
On a small side note: "What can Blue Toad do that Yellow can't?" At current run very fast. It's not much, but it's something.
Except that's wrong, as I pointed out earlier. Toad, the character, has the name Kinopio in Japan. Kinoko-zuko is the generic term for Toads in Japanese.Oh sorry buddy,but I didn't say the Toad species is not important to the Mario series,we all know is important,I only said that all the Toads are the same,except for Toadsworth or Captain Toad.
Actually, it's the other way 'round.Except that's wrong, as I pointed out earlier. Toad, the character, has the name Kinopio in Japan. Kinoko-zuko is the generic term for Toads in Japanese.
While Bandana Dee has no official name other than Waddle Dee.
Would you have said that before her reveal? What if Waddle Dee had an ability like Samus' beam swap in Project M, only it changes all of his moves? I bet most people would have said Rosalina wouldn't be unique before her revile.Rosalina is far more unique, not part of any move set, not a glorified grunt, and from a series that has over 500 million in sales. Rosalina is more comparable to Prince Fluff - except, you know, she's from the biggest video game series on the planet and therefore had far more chance of becoming playable than Prince Fluff ever will.
That will definitely get lower than Chancellor Cole.Changing my nominations from Chrom x 5 to
drumroll please...
Yarne and Owain tag team x 5
I agree 100% with all of it :D I am a supporter, but I only gave a 55%. I even think that is a little to high.Actually, it's the other way 'round.
The concept of an individual Toad is a mistake. There is no The Toad, only a Toad.
Meanwhile, if lonekonwolf's translation of Triple Deluxe's webpage is reliable, Bandana Dee's name is now cannon (at least in Japan).
However, I'll have to agree with you that the supporters are giving Dee way too much credit, and I'm one of them! I'd say a score somewhere between 20-40% is fair, but 80s? 90s? A score of 75% is already pushing it way too far. I'm surprised we're even rerating him now, with nothing really have changed sense we last rated him (perhaps with the exception of his involvement in Triple Deluxe, which shouldn't effect much). The supporters need to calm down a bit.
Hahahaha! Y'know what? Go for it. Nominate that to the top. Honestly, that's be a hilarious day.Changing my nominations from Chrom x 5 to
drumroll please...
Yarne and Owain tag team x 5
FINALLY!DAY OVER
RETURN OF GROOSE
You forgot to nominate Jimmy T!On the whole Bandana Dee Uproar.:
1) This day counts. People are bashing Chandelure for giving Dee a 91... But is that any different than other days? BKupa joins when we rate K. Rool and gives him a 99%, Diddy drops inane gives Impa 90%. As long as people actually believe this way, it's OK! Their votes will be naturally counterbalanced by the people who are more "sane."
2) We have about five rules to this game. One of them is this--don't countervote. I don't see any instance today where people have done so. Dee enthusiasts claim that all of the 1-2% people are just trying to countervote; who's to say that this isn't a valid opinion and not a countervote? Scores will naturally balance out when the outliers are met with a large number of clustered scores, so please don't countervote.
3) Hunches are fine. If you genuinely believes character has little chance or a high chance, say so. But don't let your want and chance mix... they're two separate scores for a reason. For instance, I love Mr. Resetti and would love to see him in Smash... But I don't think he has much of a chance because of Villager.
Anyway...
Cranky Kong: 20%
For the record, Dixie and K. Rool are both at about 45% for me, right now. I definitely think we'll see a newcomer to this franchise; Cranky is the third banana, but he has a shot. He's got importance, but not as much as K. Rool. He's got relavancy, but only as much as Dixie. VGX has turned this into a three character race, but Cranky is still behind.
Cranky Kong Want: 100%
Easily one of if not Nintendo's greatest character, he's a childhood favorite. When he became a possibility after VGX, he jumped to my third most wanted newcomer behind Ridley and K. Rool; if I had though he'd had any chance, I'd have supported him from the beginning. His move pool is limited, but hilarious; he interacts well with... Every character currently on the cast. He's... Well... Cranky.
Waddle Dee Want: 50%
I've grown to like the character a bit more as I researched him. He's a bit generic, yes, but he's got that cartoony Nintendo feel. I'm currently at neutral on him.
DAY OVER
RETURN OF GROOSE
I noticed this as well.The only reason I was complaining about counter votes is because someone actually admitted that they counter vote.
Here you go.Waddle Dee
Chance: 1%
Want : 50%
Im indifferent, but im remaining unconvinced until Toad, who is in a similar position, gets in. Also, to counteract the delusional. (I shouldve given a 0, I was feeling generous)
If some admitted to a counter vote, then should those votes even be counted?I noticed this as well.
I'd think not, but it's all up to Groose.If some admitted to a counter vote, then should those votes even be counted?
Oh I'll help you once I get BixAxie's request for Extensive Alt. Costumes to the top.Nominations: Daitoryo x5 (I'll get there someday.)
Are we supposed to do that?Most entertaining poster: None other than Groose himself.
okay, I will only take over and assist when your unable too, glad to see your getting better now mate, just let me give you one piece of advice now groose, when the time comes, don't hesitate, just act, you'll make it through another dayI apologize for the limited functionality right now. The OP is uneditable; I am looking for a way to host it somewhere else. Confined as I am in bed, I was also unable to count noms or stuff today; I will be well enough to do so tomorrow, as my fever has already broken. (As such, I will not be needing help this time, Wolf!).
Yup.Are we supposed to do that?
Because I say Groose too.
YEAR END SPECIAL: Well, I haven't yet calculated the winning day yet. I'll do that for tomorrow, OK? Today, please state who you believe the most entertaining poster on this thread is. Yeah, we're going there!