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More so frustrated at starting yet another day 1 with yet another dumb wagon on my ass piloted by ****ty reasons and opportunistic scum. This happens to frequently regardless of whst I do and it eats at my sanity.
Read my posts before you tag me in the future.Maven89 Can you give me an updated reads list?
#HBC | Red Ryu Let me know what you think of the Laundry wagon when you get a chance.
Fine with Gheb's vote, his reasoning reassured mine for a little, but I think that Ryker and You are being a stronger voice of reason. Even in the odd chance that Laundry was scum, me arguing with him at this rate will get me nowhere, and I think even from the perspective of Laundry regardless of alignment he knows this too. Maven's seemed really tacked on and I didn't really get his whole point of who was baiting who. I'd like for him to explain more on what he meant, and how he feels now.
Reread your slot too please.Ten minute breaks are criminally short. Gheb's vote is garbage. Soup's vote is garbage but I forgot about the lazy angle and that can succinctly explain most of my concerns hilariously. Maven's vote doesn't seem to be garbage but Ran's post has me thinking otherwise.
Regardless i'm rereading my three null slots tonight.
I don't like votes with poor summarization and little justification to the claims they're making. I'd quote it for yoy but I can't because
, so you have to bear with me on this. This wagon is one reason for his vote but he simply calls it bad. I asked him to justify it and he responded by asking for a summary. It looked like he was asking for an easy quick notes to attack but if he had already made the conclusion it was bad, he should already know its basis. That's what I saw and why I played bully.
This is a blatant overexageration of what I said. I said Gheb raised small flags because of his play but I didn't want him lynched and was suspicious of the other two because they pushed RB, then shortly after made a post saying I decided I was focusing too much on what people were pushing Day 0. Grouping these things together and calling them "maven's scum reads" is a blatant oversimplification that isn't even accurate. You know better.
Was calling Gheb out of his Day 0 play a weak move for any other player? Please explain why it is weak.
It's because you're skipping posts. Also, the only reason I had for Soup being suspicious was his support of RB, which is not something Laundry ever brought up. So how would those two be related?
Why do you not think his Orbo read is fake? Explain explain explain. "malicious" is a juicy word and I find it funny you would use it.
That you don't really play unless it involves a personal friend, otherwise you just lounge around.
I was the very first person to give a role preference.
How could he claim you baiting him was scummy when he was baiting you back? That was that point. Baiting meant nothing.
I'm sorry, this was a really snarky comment when I had no reason to do so. This means "null"
Then tell me, what were those if not 'scum reads'? Why put those out there? I'm looking at the post you talk about:
What does the underlined mean? Are you saying you threw out those 'scum reads' (or whatever you think they are) at this post?
I felt your reasoning was really weak in comparison to others. The reason why I feel you are posturing is this: You originally stated in your #135 that you suspected people for 'nuturing PR's but never talked about Gheb's outburst, yet Laundry did mention the outburst. Yet during D1 you mention it after others do. Feels like you are going with the crowds (posturing; to seem like you have a stance on him when you don't) and you stating that you didn't want him lynched goes along with that. Now, you state you are liking him more and more, and don't state why. That's also of concern to me.
Which post(s) am I skipping? You had enough content to read Soup then and there, just as I did. Your stance on Soup was sudden and felt convenient. Question: Have you ever played with a ScumSoup, and do you understand how ScumSoup plays?
I use it when I find something malicious. I also use it when I find nothing malicious, so I don't see why you find it funny that I use it. Your accusation of Laundry's post being fake feels like you are trying really hard to force a conviction, which isn't convincing at all. The accusation of Laundry's statement being fake feels fake to me. So does the underlined. Laundry stated his reasoning was only a weak one that would progress to a town-lean, which seems reasonable to me. At most, Laundry stating that is null. I agree with you that Orbo's action is null, but you saying Laundry saying that is fake is a huge reach. (I still find Orbo null and can't really get much from him until Wednesday and on)
You changed your mind and never gave your new preference. Poisoner was not your first preference.
Red underlined, I want to know why this should matter? Both Zen and Ryker need to flesh out their reads more, yes, but they have done nothing *suspicious* that requires votes/reasoning. They only require further investigation, meaning, asking them questions/to commit to reasoning, which has already been done.
You missed this. Elaborate.
Yep yep. Was just waiting to get to a computer.Xivii
Your Orbo and Maven reads dropped from null to scum. Don't just drop them down there (and Gheb up too) without mentioning why. Since it's clearly something you disagree with me on--to the point of it altering your read on me--I want something more from it than "it dropped xd"
I can see at least three reasons for this:
Just to clarify for the sake of it, I meant that I also disliked Maven for the same reason: not having any reasoning behind his Orbo read.That feels a little inaccurate. I can concede the reasoning is weak; I can't concede the reasoning isn't there. I have my reasons for thinking both are town but both are not very strong--that's why I think both are leans rather than hard town like other players.
You're not considering Bus Driver. Poisoner is immune to that as well. Without BG, it was essentially 50/50 in nullifying our role. Decoy is 1/6 Night 1 and scum are completely ignorant in whether or not they hit.
Yes. No.
#HBC | Red Ryu
, can we get something other than you talking about vanilla win rates when you get back from your movie?
Laundry no doubt did not consider Orbo's post thoroughly, whether intentional or unintentional. I gave three reasons as to why scum orbo would have done the same thing. Laundry admits that his reasoning was weak, but stated he couldn't see any reason as to why scum orbo would make such a post. This is pretty reachy and sketchy in my opinion. I think you're just calling everything maven does scummy, because you already see him in a scum light.
I strongly agree with both of these statements, they match my impression of Laundry's play and both are things that if not straight-up scummy are at least anti-town.
Was refering to Laundry, my b. I realize that wasn't clear. Meaning, Maven's post makes sense to me.
I'm still not sure. Need more pieces (primarily content from orbo, ruy, and soup) for things to align.Zen, I think Orbo would be a decent fall-back lynch. Who else do you think would be a good play and why?
