Project M Social Thread Gold

[SpiderMad]

There is a speed versus power trade off obviously, but then it just depends on how far you can push it versus what type of protective material.

Regardless, it is cool to know Link's lightning fast archery in the Zelda games has some merit.

One thing funny forgot to mention is this; http://smashboards.com/threads/melee-online-progress-report.320354/page-3#post-14289328

Had that in the back of my mind when he was jumping for his tricks

 

[GHNeko]

A teenage boy is getting ready to take his girlfriend to the prom. First he goes to rent a tux, but there’s a long tux line at the shop and it takes forever. Next, he has to get some flowers, so he heads over to the florist and there’s a huge flower line there. He waits forever but eventually gets the flowers. Then he heads out to rent a limo. Unfortunately, there’s a large limo line at the rental office, but he’s patient and gets the job done. Finally, the day of the prom comes. The two are dancing happily and his girlfriend is having a great time. When the song is over, she asks him to get her some punch, so he heads over to the punch table and there’s no punchline.

 

[Lizalfos]

If you have a silk shirt, pulling the out arrows is easier than bullets.

 

[Saxophoneoftime]

browsing r/kappa, laughing my *** off at all these FGC people crying about smash

Called them out on how smash is way deeper than anything any other 2d fighter has produced, waiting for the storm :D

I take it that you are not familiar with the nature of r/Kappa

 

[Saito]

A teenage boy is getting ready to take his girlfriend to the prom. First he goes to rent a tux, but there’s a long tux line at the shop and it takes forever. Next, he has to get some flowers, so he heads over to the florist and there’s a huge flower line there. He waits forever but eventually gets the flowers. Then he heads out to rent a limo. Unfortunately, there’s a large limo line at the rental office, but he’s patient and gets the job done. Finally, the day of the prom comes. The two are dancing happily and his girlfriend is having a great time. When the song is over, she asks him to get her some punch, so he heads over to the punch table and there’s no punchline.

 

[Frost | Odds]

browsing r/kappa, laughing my *** off at all these FGC people crying about smash

Called them out on how smash is way deeper than anything any other 2d fighter has produced, waiting for the storm :D

It's not, though.


.... well done.

 

[Saikyoshi]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Pit's up-special is. It's for, what, reflecting projectiles thrown from above? That seems really situational.

 

[Binary Clone]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Pit's up-special is. It's for, what, reflecting projectiles thrown from above? That seems really situational.

Combo finisher for killing off the top.

Also for recovering?

I'm not sure where the ambiguity is.

 

[Leafeon]

I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Pit's up-special is. It's for, what, reflecting projectiles thrown from above? That seems really situational.

Uh, it's for killing bruh
**** kills at like 110%

 

[Gamegenie222]

Man all thisc weapons talk is sounding like Deadliest Warriors up in here man I miss that show.

 

[Jaedrik]

But lets be real, the bow was out classed for a reason.

Same reason why Katanas get bopped by Broadswords.

Huh?
Now, I'm a huge fan of HEMA/ARMA, but I didn't know it was anything like a clear cut case of broadswords over katanas.

Chainmail doesn't stop piercing blows. It isn't designed to. You could pierce that vest with a damn foil blade. However, the gambeson that would be worn underneath it does not have this problem. Even firing point blank he barely penetrates his targets. There's a reason people fully draw their bows and the obvious lack of power behind his shots is why.

Yes +9999999
Gambesons were probably the most important and most overlooked part of medieval armor.

 

[Bleck]

I'm not sure where the ambiguity is.

the problem is that the function of the move is derived from knowledge that isn't endemic to the move itself, rather than the move expressing what its function is organically

Mario's Super Jump Punch is a jumping punch, the player can figure out to do with it

Pit's Shield Bash is a move where he takes a shield from another move that's supposed to be defensive and swings it vaguely upwards with the same visual effects on the shield, instead of using his other weapons or abilities to do something similar

like it seems fine to all of us 'cause we already know what it's supposed to be, but from an outside perspective it's really crappy design

(I also think that making it so that Pit's - the character with angel wings - primary means of vertical recovery doesn't involve his wings and is really piss-poor distance wise is kind of ridiculous)

 

[Saikyoshi]

Combo finisher for killing off the top.

Also for recovering?

I'm not sure where the ambiguity is.

It just doesn't look like he's doing anything. He hold his shield up over his head, and... I can't tell how I'm supposed to hit with it. It doesn't look like anything.

 

[Leafeon]

(I also think that making it so that Pit's - the character with angel wings - primary means of vertical recovery doesn't involve his wings and is really piss-poor distance wise is kind of ridiculous)

Pit [sort of] uses his wings when he sideB/glides which is his primary recovery over upB I believe, he doesn't often need to vertically recover with all of his jumps (which also use his wings)

At any rate, I prefer this use of his shield more than his old one. (And personally feel that his shield reflect should be changed to something completely different.)

 

[Rᴏb]

It just doesn't look like he's doing anything. He hold his shield up over his head, and... I can't tell how I'm supposed to hit with it. It doesn't look like anything.

Use debug mode and the move will become pretty easy to understand.

 

[Saikyoshi]

Use debug mode and the move will become pretty easy to understand.

I see that, but normal play doesn't take place in debug mode. An attack should be visually clear in what it does during normal play.

Sometimes I get the impression that aesthetics are ignored entirely in the PM community.

 

[Empyrean]

Alternatively, you could go watch some zero/armada 3.02 matches and have an idea on how to use the move.

 

[RelaxAlax]

I'd disagree about the aesthetics. It's really about character bias against Pit.

Wario represents his moves from Warioland down to the most unrecognizable forms. From his crouch, to his forward throw (or the one where he throws you like a shot put) to his shoulder charge. They wanted to represent Wario from his series rather than the Warioware Wario we got in Brawl.

I agree with the shield thing, it isn't very intuitive.

 

[Saikyoshi]

I'd disagree about the aesthetics. It's really about character bias against Pit.

Wario represents his moves from Warioland down to the most unrecognizable forms. From his crouch, to his forward throw (or the one where he throws you like a shot put) to his shoulder charge. They wanted to represent Wario from his series rather than the Warioware Wario we got in Brawl.

I agree with the shield thing, it isn't very intuitive.

Maybe the shield could be replaced with an Arm or a Palm from Uprising, to keep the animation the same.

 

[Bleck]

Use debug mode and the move will become pretty easy to understand.

yeah see if you have to do this that's crappy design

Alternatively, you could go watch some zero/armada 3.02 matches and have an idea on how to use the move.

if you have to watch somebody else play a game so that you know how to play it, the game is poorly designed

 

[Foo]

Huh, I never really had any trouble with pits up-b, He quickly bursts upwards while also thrusting his shield upwards with a nice SHING sound that indicates it's an attack. Doesn't really seem unintuitive at all, tbh.

 

[DrinkingFood]

Pit's primary means of vertical recovery is his jumps which still involve his wings. To say that character's up-b's should always be their primary means of vertical recovery is kind arbitrary

 

[PlateProp]

I take it that you are not familiar with the nature of r/Kappa

Except it's obvious that they're being serious

 

[Bazkip]

I had a dream where I saw a bird and thought it was a toucan and got really excited for some reason.
Then I woke up and my first thought was "That wasn't a toucan you dumbass"

Another exciting adventure in the life of Bazkip.

 

[Bleck]

Pit's primary means of vertical recovery is his jumps which still involve his wings. To say that character's up-b's should always be their primary means of vertical recovery is kind arbitrary

it doesn't necessarily always have to be, but the only characters otherwise where it's not are Jigglypuff and Yoshi - I'm not sure I can see the value in giving him what he got (since it's not like Pit's SINGLE BIGGEST FAILING as the lack of a vertical kill move) other than it being a big **** you to his original up-special

it might also seem kind of counter-intuitive to players that might be migrating over from Brawl or Smash 4

I don't know, I just don't like it very much

 

[Plum]

And players coming from Brawl might think it's really strange that Smash 4 changed Pit's Up B. Or his Side B. Or his Down B (and custom moves in general). It's almost like moves can change from game to game if the designers think the old moves can be improved upon or no longer fit in the new game's direction.

 

[Empyrean]

So it's bad game design

 

[shairn]

The value in giving him what he has right now is that at least Pit has reliable kill options, and his recovery isn't absolutely ridiculous.
Like, Jigglypuff doesn't even float or fly or whatever in pokémon, ever. It doesn't have to completely make sense.

 

[Rᴏb]

yeah see if you have to do this that's crappy design

I wouldn't really fault the game for players who don't understand the concept of a shield bash. It's easy to understand without debug mode.

Sometimes I get the impression that aesthetics are ignored entirely in the PM community.

if you didn't exaggerate so much I would've agreed with you.

 

[Bleck]

And players coming from Brawl might think it's really strange that Smash 4 changed Pit's Up B.

but... it functionally serves the same purpose

Or his Side B.

^

Or his Down B

^

(and custom moves in general).

^

I wouldn't really fault the game for players who don't understand the concept of a shield bash.

why not

 

[Leafeon]

Waifu


I saved the thread, guys

 

[Rᴏb]

why not

Because then I would have to fault the game for players who don't understand something as simple as "hit the opponent with x ---> opponent gets hurt".

 

[Bleck]

Because then I would have to fault the game for players who don't understand something as simple as "hit the opponent with x ---> opponent gets hurt".

in almost every game I can think of where you can use a shield bash, the whole point of it is as a fast, low-damage move that's supposed to open up your opponents to damage with actual weapons

where is the "logic" in "go and hit your opponents with your sword enough so you can kill them with your shield"

 

[shairn]

Where is the logic in hitting people until they fly further?

 

[Rᴏb]

in almost every game I can think of where you can use a shield bash, the whole point of it is as a fast, low-damage move that's supposed to open up your opponents to damage with actual weapons

DaS2, but I get what you're saying.

where is the "logic" in "go and hit your opponents with your sword enough so you can kill them with your shield"

Pit's bow-thingy is pretty dainty and doesn't even glow. I mean, just seeing Pit's upb versus any of his bow-thingy moves makes it clear to me that his shield is stronger.

His upb also makes the controller vibrate iirc. That's some real power, son.

 

[PMS | Tink-er]

The obvious answer is to change Pit into Goofy from Kingdom Hearts.

 

[Plum]

Smash's appeal has long been the lack of logic
it's a crazy game where new crazy things happen every time you play it
if you're trying to use logic and apply it to Smash you're gonna have a bad time

 

[Plum]

also
shields can **** you up WAY more than most weapons
like, do you know how much force a shield bash can do? easily enough to kill somebody irl

 

[PlateProp]

The value in giving him what he has right now is that at least Pit has reliable kill options, and his recovery isn't absolutely ridiculous.
Like, Jigglypuff doesn't even float or fly or whatever in pokémon, ever. It doesn't have to completely make sense.

Blue's puff in Adventures would like to have a word with you

 

[Bleck]

Where is the logic in hitting people until they fly further?

touche

The obvious answer is to change Pit into Goofy from Kingdom Hearts.

yes please