Pretty in pink or true in blue, Krystal for Sm4sh!

[IanTheGamer]

Well, the 3DS version certainly has told us a lot.

DLC? Who knows.

I think we're only going to have 54 characters on the CSS when all is said and done. In this light, those last 5 slots will probably be DLC.

Still, there's the chance that this 3DS roster is all there is. Wouldn't that be something? I'm not complaining--we're not in the position to complain. Just feels like all the time spent defending certain characters' merits has been for nothing.

My bet? Krystal's not gonna make it. Sorry guys, I just can't hold onto hope anymore--it's too taxing.

I don't think I'll be around to speculate for the next Smash, if there's even a next Smash.

Maybe around the year 2021?

Heh... We'll see. Time will tell.

I'll hang around for the group forum, but I don't think I'll post all that often.

I blame Sakurai's KI bias, I might just buy a PS4 instead, punishing Sakurai's refusal to listen to us

 

[Deleted member]

I blame Sakurai's KI bias, I might just buy a PS4 instead, punishing Sakurai's refusal to listen to us

Kinda pointless though considering how much of a giant advertising beast Smash is. They're too busy showerin themselves with dosh, a boycott is useless

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Kinda pointless though considering how much of a giant advertising beast Smash is. They're too busy showerin themselves with dosh, a boycott is useless

This is the same reason why speculating and supporting characters is mostly useless.

Sakurai pretty much makes all the decisions. We have next to no impact.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Kinda pointless though considering how much of a giant advertising beast Smash is. They're too busy showerin themselves with dosh, a boycott is useless

Yeah, but this roster sucks, this roster proves that Nintendo doesn't listen to their fan base, and if they will ignore us, Star Fox or no Star Fox, than I'll take my money to Sony, who actually is trying to listen to the fanbase

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, but this roster sucks, this roster proves that Nintendo doesn't listen to their fan base, and if they will ignore us, Star Fox or no Star Fox, than I'll take my money to Sony, who actually is trying to listen to the fanbase

All right, its your call but IMO its kind of futile at this point.

 

[IanTheGamer]

All right, its your call but IMO its kind of futile at this point.

That's exactly why the PS4 is kicking Nintendo's ass, because Nintendo is refusing to listen to the fans, while Sony is listening and the Wii U's failure will probably teach Nintendo a lesson, that they can't ignore the fan base

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Nintendo knows we'll all still buy Smash--it has too much marketing power by itself, regardless of which characters get in.

This is why they probably feel they don't have to listen to us that much. They can do whatever they want and still get millions of sales.

This is why speculation is useless.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Nintendo knows we'll all still buy Smash--it has too much marketing power by itself, regardless of which characters get in.

This is why they probably feel they don't have to listen to us that much. They can do whatever they want and still get millions of sales.

This is why speculation is useless.

Well that's arrogance, and as you can see tjay will inevitably bite them in the backside, and it has been the case with the Wii U

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Well that's arrogance, and as you can see tjay will inevitably bite them in the backside, and it has been the case with the Wii U

Well we have to consider the honor and strictness of the Eastern culture that Nintendo hails from. Perhaps the older members of the Nintendo devs adhere to this a lot?

It would make sense, because "bending to the whim of fans" could be considered "dishonorable" in some eyes. As silly as that sounds.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Well we have to consider the honor and strictness of the Eastern culture that Nintendo hails from. Perhaps the older members of the Nintendo devs adhere to this a lot?

It would make sense, because "bending to the whim of fans" could be considered "dishonorable" in some eyes. As silly as that sounds.

Well, true, but there's also honor in humility and admitting blame, and remember that traditions unfortunately can't last forever, many Jewish Americans have assimilated into the American culture with little to no observance of Jewish traditions, oh and Sony is also from Japan, yet they listen to their fans, it's clearly not dishonorable

 

[Deleted member]

That's exactly why the PS4 is kicking Nintendo's ***, because Nintendo is refusing to listen to the fans, while Sony is listening and the Wii U's failure will probably teach Nintendo a lesson, that they can't ignore the fan base

But do you know why Sony is listening? Its not because they want to be good guys to anyone, its because they're pinching pennies by cutting off divisions & firing many employees. They had to get themselves in good graces ever since that PSN 2011 hack

 

[Tobias Amaranth]

Or maybe you're being incredibly short sighted and there's more than you could ever imagine in store for this game in the future. We don't know Nintendo's marketing plans in the least. Pokemon, Mario, and Kid Icarus have all been 'big things' in the last few years. The other main series have not been.

But there's nothing preventing them from adding additional characters down the line anymore. The game is an engine, and the passengers on the hype train can grow in number.

 

[IanTheGamer]

But do you know why Sony is listening? Its not because they want to be good guys to anyone, its because they're pinching pennies by cutting off divisions & firing many employees. They had to get themselves in good graces ever since that PSN 2011 hack

You're right, and Nintendo needs to listen to their fans more if they want to turn Wii U around, there's an old saying, which Nintendo has learned the hard way "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"

 

[Delzethin]

Easy, guys. We all had the wind taken out of our sails today, okay?. We're all in this. Let's not make any emotionally-charged and shortsighted decisions.

The good news about this iteration of Smash compared to the others is that we're not done yet. For the first time, Nintendo can create post-release content and add things that might've missed the cut originally. We could see newcomers added via Spotpass or DLC, and anything added that way could only improve the roster. It also potentially puts Krystal in a very good position to be added around when the new Star Fox comes out and makes her relevant again. She might even get the nod over Wolf, because every newcomer that made it this time had a combination of high moveset potential and/or something unique the other characters don't have...both of which she'd provide.

I like us having a group to fall back on...but to those who want to talk in real time, my Skype name is the same as it is here.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Easy, guys. We all had the wind taken out of our sails today, okay?. We're all in this. Let's not make any emotionally-charged and shortsighted decisions.

The good news about this iteration of Smash compared to the others is that we're not done yet. For the first time, Nintendo can create post-release content and add things that might've missed the cut originally. We could see newcomers added via Spotpass or DLC, and anything added that way could only improve the roster. It also potentially puts Krystal in a very good position to be added around when the new Star Fox comes out and makes her relevant again. She might even get the nod over Wolf, because every newcomer that made it this time had a combination of high moveset potential and/or something unique the other characters don't have...both of which she'd provide.

I like us having a group to fall back on...but to those who want to talk in real time, my Skype name is the same as it is here.

Okay, fine but if the DLC sucks, I am going PS4

 

[Krayon Kaphonie]

Guess I'll post this last picture though, I don't think it's all that great and it's old. x)

You guys are always welcome to find me on Miiverse (search either Krayon or Kaphonie) once you get a wii u. ^^ I'll join the Star Fox thread Tillie made but I may not be that active. x) I've already said why I like Krystal just a few pages back so I won't repeat it. x) I'll keep waiting for her as DLC for Smash and for her appearance in the new Star Fox. ^^ and if I remember, I'll definitely be back when it's time to speculate Smash 5 xD

 

[IanTheGamer]

Guys, guys, it ain't over yet, remember the marketing theory is one step closer to being reality, Sakurai probably predicted the backlash and rage as part of the plan, he and Hideo Kojima are the biggest trolls in gaming

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, guys, it ain't over yet, remember the marketing theory is one step closer to being reality, Sakurai probably predicted the backlash and rage as part of the plan, he and Hideo Kojima are the biggest trolls in gaming

Until we get info about DLC, Wii U features & the such, its really safe to assume Krystal isn't playable. Have to move on now or you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[ghastmine]

....I was planning on getting a wii u anyways....Well atleast there's hyrule warriors but guys I swear where getting a star fox character....

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Actually...

I've been looking at the thread with the old marketing theory for old time's sake:

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...erent-hidden-characters.365209/#post-17371243

Perhaps what's really happening is more like this? I know I've said I revised it since, but these pointers pretty much have stayed the same.

What do you think of this idea:

The Wii U version and 3DS version feature a single horizontal row's worth of different characters (9 characters)? This means there would be 9 different characters on the Wii U version that aren't on the 3DS version. The roster size, for both versions, would be initially the same in numbers (48 or 49, I believe).

For example: Falco could be on the 3DS version while he doesn't initially appear on the Wii U version. Wolf could be the character who appears alongside Fox on the Wii U version instead. Maybe even Krystal as well?

Another example: DHD appears on the 3DS version while he doesn't initially appear on the Wii U version. Another character could appear on the Wii U version instead?

And then these 9 characters from each version could be transferable between each version or as DLC if you own just one of the versions.

Finally, those last 5 slots could be standalone DLC for both versions?

Who knows?

Sometimes I hate my mind. It literally looks for odds and ends wherever possible, even in the bleakest of moments--just to give me hope (because I'm passionate about Smash and these characters who weren't included, darn it!). It's such a dichotomy...

EDIT: Forgot to mention! These extra characters won't be exclusive. They'd only be featured by each version respectively. They're transferable.

 

[IanTheGamer]

....I was planning on getting a wii u anyways....Well atleast there's hyrule warriors but guys I swear where getting a star fox character....

I agree

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

Hoping krystal is in the next star fox game. Have we had any news on it yet?

 

[Deleted member]

Hoping krystal is in the next star fox game. Have we had any news on it yet?

The game is coming out in 2015 as far as most know.

 

[IanTheGamer]

Guys, what random said makes sense, though I am now having cautious optimism, which is what we need with Sakurai, seriously I am sure Sakurai predicted the Smash community would rage about the 3DS roster

 

[Delzethin]

What do you think of this idea:

The Wii U version and 3DS version feature a single horizontal row's worth of different characters (9 characters)? This means there would be 9 different characters on the Wii U version that aren't on the 3DS version. The roster size, for both versions, would be initially the same in numbers (48 or 49, I believe).

For example: Falco could be on the 3DS version while he doesn't initially appear on the Wii U version. Wolf could be the character who appears alongside Fox on the Wii U version instead. Maybe even Krystal as well?

Another example: DHD appears on the 3DS version while he doesn't initially appear on the Wii U version. Another character could appear on the Wii U version instead?

And then these 9 characters from each version could be transferable between each version or as DLC if you own just one of the versions.

Finally, those last 5 slots could be standalone DLC for both versions?

Who knows?

I've been wondering something like that, myself. I wouldn't go as far to say nine characters, but I could possibly see 4-6 that start exclusive to one version but can be transferred over, kind of like version exclusives in Pokemon. It'd certainly be a way to hype the Wii U version...but at this point, DLC seems like a more likely route for Krystal to take.

Speaking of which, I don't see any reason they'd be restricted to four (the leak didn't have the Mii Fighters' box) DLC characters. They could extend the CSS if they wanted, or put them all in a single DLC box that pops up and lets you pick between the ones you have.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

I've been wondering something like that, myself. I wouldn't go as far to say nine characters, but I could possibly see 4-6 that start exclusive to one version but can be transferred over, kind of like version exclusives in Pokemon. It'd certainly be a way to hype the Wii U version...but at this point, DLC seems like a more likely route for Krystal to take.

Speaking of which, I don't see any reason they'd be restricted to four (the leak didn't have the Mii Fighters' box) DLC characters. They could extend the CSS if they wanted, or put them all in a single DLC box that pops up and lets you pick between the ones you have.

I'm saying 9 because it's both one complete horizontal row of characters on the 3DS CSS...

And...

It is, simultaneously, the number of additional trophies needed to cap the 3DS trophies to 700--assuming the trophies from the leak were all of them (686). This is also assuming if Sakurai wanted to leave the 3DS version with 700 trophies even.

Of course those 5 additional slots would have to be standalone DLC (686 + 5 = 691). That leaves the 9 additional transferable exclusives (691 + 9 = 700).

That's where I got 9 from.

 

[IanTheGamer]

I'm saying 9 because it's both one complete horizontal row of characters on the 3DS CSS...

And...

It is, simultaneously, the number of additional trophies needed to cap the 3DS trophies to 700--assuming the trophies from the leak were all of them (686). This is also assuming if Sakurai wanted to leave the 3DS version with 700 trophies even.

Of course those 5 additional slots would have to be standalone DLC (686 + 5 = 691). That leaves the 9 additional transferable exclusives (691 + 9 = 700).

That's where I got 9 from.

It makes perfect sense, who knows maybe Krystal will be revealed tomorrow for all we know, to quote my dad "Wait and see"

 

[Delzethin]

I'm saying 9 because it's both one complete horizontal row of characters on the 3DS CSS...

And...

It is, simultaneously, the number of additional trophies needed to cap the 3DS trophies to 700--assuming the trophies from the leak were all of them (686). This is also assuming if Sakurai wanted to leave the 3DS version with 700 trophies even.

Of course those 5 additional slots would have to be standalone DLC (686 + 5 = 691). That leaves the 9 additional transferable exclusives (691 + 9 = 700).

That's where I got 9 from.

All Star Mode's still around, and isn't it likely everyone will get Final Smash trophies again? That'd only let it work if there were 7 hidden characters total.

I doubt they'd restrict themselves to something as trivial as final trophy count if they wanted to add more characters, anyway.

 

[Wolfheart07]

Actually...

I've been looking at the thread with the old marketing theory for old time's sake:

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...erent-hidden-characters.365209/#post-17371243

Perhaps what's really happening is more like this? I know I've said I revised it since, but these pointers pretty much have stayed the same.

What do you think of this idea:

The Wii U version and 3DS version feature a single horizontal row's worth of different characters (9 characters)? This means there would be 9 different characters on the Wii U version that aren't on the 3DS version. The roster size, for both versions, would be initially the same in numbers (48 or 49, I believe).

For example: Falco could be on the 3DS version while he doesn't initially appear on the Wii U version. Wolf could be the character who appears alongside Fox on the Wii U version instead. Maybe even Krystal as well?

Another example: DHD appears on the 3DS version while he doesn't initially appear on the Wii U version. Another character could appear on the Wii U version instead?

And then these 9 characters from each version could be transferable between each version or as DLC if you own just one of the versions.

Finally, those last 5 slots could be standalone DLC for both versions?

Who knows?

Sometimes I hate my mind. It literally looks for odds and ends wherever possible, even in the bleakest of moments--just to give me hope (because I'm passionate about Smash and these characters who weren't included, darn it!). It's such a dichotomy...

EDIT: Forgot to mention! These extra characters won't be exclusive. They'd only be featured by each version respectively. They're transferable.

That looks like a logical way to even out both versions and a incentive to persuade People to get both versions. It would even help boost the Wii U sales which really needs. That theory that Cities' s mentioned is becoming more of a reality.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

Hey, check this out:

http://nintendonews.com/2014/09/link-super-smash-bros-unlock-fighters/

It concerns the rumor of linking both Smash versions together to unlock more fighters.

All Star Mode's still around, and isn't it likely everyone will get Final Smash trophies again? That'd only let it work if there were 7 hidden characters total.

I doubt they'd restrict themselves to something as trivial as final trophy count if they wanted to add more characters, anyway.

The 3DS version might not have Final Smash trophies--just simple trophies of each fighter. The Wii U version on the other hand...

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

Hey, check this out:

http://nintendonews.com/2014/09/link-super-smash-bros-unlock-fighters/

It concerns the rumor of linking both Smash versions together to unlock more fighters.

sounds familiar.

 

[TheRandomCities4]

sounds familiar.

*sniff sniff*

Whats this, huh? It smells like marketing...

It's marketing.

 

[Morbi]

*sniff sniff*

Whats this, huh? It smells like marketing...

It's marketing.

Albeit, I would feel more comfortable with Krystal's inclusion through the theory if Wolf was not usurped by a costume.

 

[ImOnlyHereToTalkStarFox]

Albeit, I would feel more comfortable with Krystal's inclusion through the theory if Wolf was not usurped by a costume.

Could be good for krystal supporters that wolf is cut..bad for wolf supporters.
Sadly these leaks never include anything about Krystal which is disheartening.

 

[Morbi]

Could be good for krystal supporters that wolf is cut..bad for wolf supporters.
Sadly these leaks never include anything about Krystal which is disheartening.

This is also true. I mean, it is not as though Fox had a blue-palette swap... or a gender swap. Krystal is one of the safer choices if Wolf is out of the way. It really depends on her role in Star Fox U in my opinion. If we are to ever get another Star Fox character, it is certainly her. She is the most prominent right after Fox/Falco (I would probably argue that she is more pertinent than Falco, but no one here disagrees ).

 

[Shorts]

Wolf's gone. Live and let die. Although to be honest.. I doubt Krystal is going to be one of the four extra characters.

 

[Tipps4728]

Wolf's gone. Live and let die. Although to be honest.. I doubt Krystal is going to be one of the four extra characters.

love what you did with the name, anyways the only way I see Krystal making it in now is if 2015 is really the year of Starfox. Then she would have a higher chance with DLC in my opinion (as long as she is in the new game). As of now, I'm kinda disappointed with the roster.

*sniff sniff*

Whats this, huh? It smells like marketing...

It's marketing.

Just wondering if you've heard the rumors about being able to control the boss in boss battle on the Wii U with the control pad thing.

 

[Delzethin]

I guess this is it for now. Time to turn the lights off and lock the door.

Maybe, stars willing, some time soon we'll get to reopen again...

 

[ghastmine]

So...Well looks like we got no control of the great fox now....

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Hey guys

I just wrote the obituary for Krystal in Opossum's graveyard thread. You should check it out before they archive it. Over and out!