Might wanna make that unanimous amongst the board then. I've heard different on multiple occasions.
Last time I checked MK boards had it at 6-4
Snake boards had it at 6-4
Wario boards had it at 55-45
Diddy boards had it at 55-45
Your point?
Sheik has a lock on Diddy Kong with a single banana. I can see her being even with the monkey. MK and Snake.... yeah I'm not willing to buy that.
You should stop posting.
Shiek loses to MK
and Snake
Almost even with Diddy and Wario
Loses to Marth
Falco is debatable, I'd call it even possibly.
I agree with this statement.
Sheik almost even with Diddy? Can't see how this is the case. Somebody explain?
Refer to DMG's post which is what I was going to say for the most part.
Best dash to shield in game helps with bananas
Out speeds Diddy frame wise
Has almost a comparable OOS game
Can kill Diddy at ******** %'s given the right fresh Usmash
Can edge guard him way too well
She has needles so the strategy of camping Diddy back actually is viable
She can crawl to screw up his aerials
It's not that bad really. Shiek is scary with a banana in her hand, and still scary without one.
Yep.
You're back! Saviors made me think you died. T.T But you're okay! *hugs fellow sheik main* ^.^
Single banana lock is stupid.
She kills him out of grab mad early. Jab leads into grab. So at 80 percent a jab means death. lol. She's probably one of the few ppl that can punish MK consistently (she can punish anything). She has the speed to keep up with him both in the sense of attack speed and mobility. And chain is too good? (Now I feel like I'm theorycrafting....) Anyway its close to even 40:60 MK at worst.
I agree with Wario, but I thought it was only my opinion that Sheik does well against diddy.
Marth is definately even.
Falco's around even.
Sheik is just a solid character and thus has lots of even match ups just like Marth.
For those who were talking about the MK matchup......if you can't objectively look atboth characters traits and abilities and realize that the matchup is a slight advantage for MK.....then I don't know what to tell you.
He ftilts well, Sheik has the fastest second jump in the game with good range on her uair for air-camping, she has a guaranteed KO at 90% out of a grab, needles have transcendent priority, she has a faster overall movest than MK, chain is extremely hard for MK to work around......things that keep this in MK's favor are him ****** Sheik offstage, his range, and his KO power.
Marth is a 45-55 matchup imo.
She does not go even with Marth lol. If by even you mean 55:45 his favor, then that would be a conservative rating.
I thought Marth beat Sheik because Fair approaches **** her? I may be mistaken but I remember it being one matchup Sheik nor Zelda could handle well when I tried to dual main.
Fair approaches ****** her? Lol no she's fast enough to punish Marth with a dash attack with a powershield....she also has needles and chain which would both beat out fair approaches.
Yes.
Sheik really shouldn't be beating ANY top tiers on a regular basis anyway. I still vote to have Zelda/Sheik together in the tier list and not seperate because it's
Zelda/Sheik should not be counted as one character.
Dash attack, needles, grab, and gimping are too good.
Why shouldn't she be beating any top tiers again?
What? lol.
It's all about knowing the matchup.
Do we have top players who use Sheik? I don't keep track in these type of things since I do not believe in Sheik as a separate character from Zelda. Enlighten me cause I do not even have competitive Sheik vs top tier matches (most modern) in mind. I'd say she has a chance against Falco and Diddy but both characters have more quantity and quality in terms of representation.
Yea of course they do.....they're better characters than SHeik....this isn't to say she doesn't fare well in these individual matchups though.
I feel like only Light and Ankoku can really comment from experience. Light is probably the only one that plays top tiers (aside from MK =/) at a "high" level. Falco isn't bad because she can tilt lock him to death (or near death?), crawl under his laser, and use needles. I feel diddy is close based on my own experience and ADHD vs Neo (keeping in mind Neo SD'ed and doesn't employ all "high" level sheik tactics).
That's why I said in the right situation. That wouldn't be the right situation. XD
She doesn't counter anyone (but ganon and fox lol), but I feel she's consistent with most of her matchups being good at the bottom of the tier list and move in closer to even as she gets towards the top.
She tilt locks Falco to about 90...he doesn't lock nearly as well as Wolf or Fox.
what proof exists that sheik goes close to even with high and top tiers
matchup numbers from an incredibly one-sided thread are not worth anything
These matchup numbers come from both sides. GTFO of here lmao.
Are you guys really saying "DMG's word is law", or are you just
agreeing that your views are the same as his? Cuz I keep seeing the former around in posts lately.
Considering that he MAINS Wario and gets to play one of the top SHEIK players....I would sa he is fairly knowledgeable about what Sheik is capable of.
EDIT: and me posting these types of things starts good discussion about relevant characters rather than discussing sheik >_____>.
Oh this guy made a funny. Bwahahahahahahahahah
