Social PK Love - Lucas Social Thread: “Inside the mailbox was absolutely nothing”

[Patriot Duck]

We're all aware of cancelling SH air dodge's lag with bair, right? The thing is, according to Kuroganehammer, Lucas's bair has no autocancel window at the start of the move, so something doesn't add up. Maybe Kuroganehammer is incorrect; I'm not quite sure.

 

[A Polar Bear]

We're all aware of cancelling SH air dodge's lag with bair, right? The thing is, according to Kuroganehammer, Lucas's bair has no autocancel window at the start of the move, so something doesn't add up. Maybe Kuroganehammer is incorrect; I'm not quite sure.

Lucas is also named Ridley on that site, so who knows.

 

[busken]

For doing the down throw to n-air to footstool combo which set-up from your experience is easier?
Option 1 is to jab lock with d-air after the footstool
Options 2 is to side magnet after the footstool then jab lock with sour f-air

Which one is the most consistent from your experience guys?

 

[PKBeam]

it's better to just dair them since it's easier and has less of a chance of screwing up

 

[MrWhYYZ]

Getting back on Z-air stuff. (I'm sorry I just think it's awesome)
You can actually use this to punish stuff really hard like Mario's F-smash.
Shielddrop, Dash, Dashgrab is too slow but Jump cancel Zair isn't.
Another reason to learn this I guess.

Edit: And for D-throw FS D-air or D-throw FS Magnet, Doing Dair is better becuase if they DI behind you after doing magnet you're not hitting them anymore if they are to high up.

 

[A Polar Bear]

I really think people are starting to figure Lucas out.

I'm not just talking about well known Lucas mains like Pink Fresh or Spacedong either, I feel like as a whole both in my community (which is obsessed with Lucas) and in online matches, Lucas play is becoming more and more intelligent. There's a lot less grab spam and rushing in with aerials, and a lot more z-air, f-air, and PKF spacing, and patiently playing a ground game with his fast tilts to set up for the kill. It feels like a lot more Lucases are confidently going offstage now too, not just b-air fishing, but interrupting recoveries with n-air or chasing with f-air and z-air.

And personally I really think I'm becoming very proficient with the character as well! I really am glad they decided to put Lucas in the game, I can't see myself having as much fun or being as committed to Sm4sh without him.

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

I really think people are starting to figure Lucas out.

I'm not just talking about well known Lucas mains like Pink Fresh or Spacedong either, I feel like as a whole both in my community (which is obsessed with Lucas) and in online matches, Lucas play is becoming more and more intelligent. There's a lot less grab spam and rushing in with aerials, and a lot more z-air, f-air, and PKF spacing, and patiently playing a ground game with his fast tilts to set up for the kill. It feels like a lot more Lucases are confidently going offstage now too, not just b-air fishing, but interrupting recoveries with n-air or chasing with f-air and z-air.

And personally I really think I'm becoming very proficient with the character as well! I really am glad they decided to put Lucas in the game, I can't see myself having as much fun or being as committed to Sm4sh without him.

Lucas have really made me more dedicatetd to smash, its weird since i barely knew of him before the first trailer dropped, hah. All games played with him, labbing, a reason to stay & post on the boards, youtubeclips and now streaming. Lucas is endless amounts of fun, in so many ways!

 

[Grimtixx]

Lucas have really made me more dedicatetd to smash, its weird since i barely knew of him before the first trailer dropped, hah. All games played with him, labbing, a reason to stay & post on the boards, youtubeclips and now streaming. Lucas is endless amounts of fun, in so many ways!

I agree. Lucas is my favorite character to play as aside from Meta-Knight. I've been playing with Lucas since day 1 of his release.

 

[Login_Sinker]

I really think people are starting to figure Lucas out.

I'm not just talking about well known Lucas mains like Pink Fresh or Spacedong either, I feel like as a whole both in my community (which is obsessed with Lucas) and in online matches, Lucas play is becoming more and more intelligent. There's a lot less grab spam and rushing in with aerials, and a lot more z-air, f-air, and PKF spacing, and patiently playing a ground game with his fast tilts to set up for the kill. It feels like a lot more Lucases are confidently going offstage now too, not just b-air fishing, but interrupting recoveries with n-air or chasing with f-air and z-air.

And personally I really think I'm becoming very proficient with the character as well! I really am glad they decided to put Lucas in the game, I can't see myself having as much fun or being as committed to Sm4sh without him.

On the topic of good Lucas mains, I think Pink Fresh is going to become a really scary one eventually. He's pretty good as of now, but you can see he's still kind of unpolished due to being relatively new to the game. Give him some more time to sharpen up and he'll become something threatening.

 

[Luco]

On the topic of good Lucas mains, I think Pink Fresh is going to become a really scary one eventually. He's pretty good as of now, but you can see he's still kind of unpolished due to being relatively new to the game. Give him some more time to sharpen up and he'll become something threatening.

I have no doubt Pink Fresh will once again make it to the Lucas top players' list; he was one of the holy trifecta Lucas mains of Brawl.

 

[A Polar Bear]

I have no doubt Pink Fresh will once again make it to the Lucas top players' list; he was one of the holy trifecta Lucas mains of Brawl.

... Mekos, PF, and.... FAE?

 

[Luco]

... Mekos, PF, and.... FAE?

Yep, thereabouts. They were more or less the Lucas mains actually getting results. Mekos' 9th at SKTAR (I think it was SKTAR?) pretty much pulled Lucas out of low tier (also Lucas was far too powerful for low tier tournaments in Brawl), Pink Fresh was known to pop off and beat top players on occasion (pretty sure he beat Logic's Olimar late in brawl's lifespan) and FAE I think did most of his work a little earlier but still was known to place highly and rapidly advanced the Lucas meta whilst being a particularly flashy and technical Lucas.

 

[busken]

It's funny because Pink Fresh doesn't even have a Wii U

 

[A Polar Bear]

It's funny because Pink Fresh doesn't even have a Wii U

He finally got his hands on one recently.

 

[KaptenFullkorn]

He finally got his hands on one recently.

Did not know this, but it puts a smile on my face. PFs Lucas have been getting better and better, and now it looks like its going to be improving more, love it!

 

[MrWhYYZ]

Got Top 8 at a tournament yesterday. Lost my first match against a Diddy (Grrr Diddy) and then PK-fire'd and D-throw footstooled my way into Top-8 where I lost to Dumbfire Link. I'll get you next time. *Waves fist angrily*

 

[PKBeam]

inb4 poem...?

 

[RebelXII]

It's funny because Pink Fresh doesn't even have a Wii U

He just translates what he knows from Smash 3ds onto Wii U.

 

[meleebrawler]

I really think people are starting to figure Lucas out.

I'm not just talking about well known Lucas mains like Pink Fresh or Spacedong either, I feel like as a whole both in my community (which is obsessed with Lucas) and in online matches, Lucas play is becoming more and more intelligent. There's a lot less grab spam and rushing in with aerials, and a lot more z-air, f-air, and PKF spacing, and patiently playing a ground game with his fast tilts to set up for the kill. It feels like a lot more Lucases are confidently going offstage now too, not just b-air fishing, but interrupting recoveries with n-air or chasing with f-air and z-air.

And personally I really think I'm becoming very proficient with the character as well! I really am glad they decided to put Lucas in the game, I can't see myself having as much fun or being as committed to Sm4sh without him.

It seems to be a trend when a character has one noticeably powerful tool:

1. Be awestruck by the tool and resolve to do everything possible to use it.

2. Fail

3. Realize that the character has many other tools to complement the strong one, and that neglecting them in favour of the latter makes their play suffer.

And in the event that they are actually successful at two, it gets nerfed.

 

[Patriot Duck]

Here's something neat. Between 120-140%, sweetspot zair combos into fair, and it can kill.

Speaking of zair, how safe is it on shield? Usually when I land with it I can jab before they shieldgrab me, but what other options do I have?

 

[PKBeam]

late zair should be +8 on shield, but you have to delay it as long as you can.

 

[Dumbfire]

Got Top 8 at a tournament yesterday. Lost my first match against a Diddy (Grrr Diddy) and then PK-fire'd and D-throw footstooled my way into Top-8 where I lost to Dumbfire Link. I'll get you next time. *Waves fist angrily*

Im just hoping we don't have to face again in tourney any time soon looool

 

[busken]

how reliable do you think n-air footstool is at 30% on midwieghts like mario? I've been doing on wi-fi and it works everytime lol

 

[PKBeam]

nair footstool is guaranteed, but it's only good if you can follow up very well.
otherwise you can get 5 nairs across a portion of the stage plus a finisher and maybe an edgeguard.

 

[A Polar Bear]

Big day tomorrow. There's less than 20 hours before the Direct fires. I swear to god if anything gets leaked I will stuff an entire Toyota Camry down someone's throat.

 

[Login_Sinker]

Cloud's Solo Mode Victory video was leaked already. Wouldn't be surprised if there's more to come.

 

[7up1001]

*crosses fingers for Lucas customs moves*

 

[PKBeam]

*crosses fingers for Lucas customs moves*

I don't think that's happening.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

Got 5th at a small local losing to the two guys I went with. >.<
At least I'm 100% positive that we win the Rosa match-up because I convincingly beat their Rosa main 2-0.

 

[Luco]

Got 5th at a small local losing to the two guys I went with. >.<
At least I'm 100% positive that we win the Rosa match-up because I convincingly beat their Rosa main 2-0.

As it happens I'm 90% convinced Rosa IS very doable. <3

 

[Login_Sinker]

YO GUYS HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT THIS?

http://smashboards.com/threads/1-1-3-patch-notes-release-pending.425921/

IF THOSE LUCAS BUFFS ARE TRUE THEY ARE SERIOUSLY MAJOR.

 

[7up1001]

Those grab buffs better be true.

 

[Snackss]

Lucas's terrible grab is one of the biggest things holding him back. It would certainly be nice to have more buffs.

 

[7up1001]

And if that Nair buff is true, then Lucas' combo game will be stronger now that his nair can do 12% instead of 8%.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

This will make his bait & punish game stronger and safer.
Still no AC or Up-air hitbox but this might be enough to get him solidified into the High tier. (Which he already is imo)

 

[A Polar Bear]

N-air change is pretty big, more damage also means more shield stun, but likely still not enough to make cross ups safe.

Grab changes Kreygasm.

Now hopefully all this holds true when it officially releases.

 

[MrWhYYZ]

N-air change is pretty big, more damage also means more shield stun, but likely still not enough to make cross ups safe..

No, nothing will change for shield stun because the last hit still does 4 damage.

 

[NekoJubei]

Jesus christ Lucas's grab got major buffed...

 

[busken]

How is it now? Like can you act faster out of d-throw?

 

[NekoJubei]

Lets say he got 40% less cooldown on all of his grabs
Nair does 12% now