Eh, in the matches I've seen it's even at best. I don't trust the matchups thread personally.
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Official Brawl Tier Discussion (OP Updated)
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JrdnS
Smash Ace
i agree its probably even. if rob has an advantage its not a big one.
kackamee
Smash Master
Why the heck is Yoshi still so low on everyones lists???
Deathcarter
Smash Lord
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Having the worst tournament outings at present time will never help you in a tier list discussion. Add to that a shield you cannot jump out of, has a hard time playing defensively, a painfully slow grab, and being a large target.
Yuna-Maria
Smash Ace
I don't know about the others, but I know Yoshi is the worst character in Mario Kart 64. IIRC it was
Toad
Peach
Bowser
Wario
DK
Luigi
Mario
Yoshi
Fogo
Smash Shinigami
yeah, and he's awesome in mario kart wii
^_^
^_^
Yuna-Maria
Smash Ace
Not saying he's worthless.Wow, tell that to everyone I have ever played
I have never lost a match of MK64 and I always choose Yoshi.
Just saying Toad and Peach are hax.
Fogo
Smash Shinigami
i know!!!
i thought i was the only one lol
i thought i was the only one lol
Grunt
Smash Master
Whaaaaa?
I always used Yoshi. He's my fave nintendo char, and would probably main him in Smash if he didn't suck.
Yuna-Maria
Smash Ace
Yukiwarashi
Smash Champion
Ivysaur ruins Pokemon Trainer, huh? Well dang. I guess having one of the most broken specials, a good projectile, and an awesome spacing move must REALLY bring down a character.
Browny
Smash Hater
ivysaur is the best of the 3 imo.
charizard cant land KO moves and squirtle dies so easily. i never have any trouble against PT users until they bring out ivysaur. honestly, it seems to me people abse all thier judgements on tether recovery = fail.
charizard cant land KO moves and squirtle dies so easily. i never have any trouble against PT users until they bring out ivysaur. honestly, it seems to me people abse all thier judgements on tether recovery = fail.
Grunt
Smash Master
How are all the heavys higher than him?
in MK64 didn't weight determine speed? maybe i'm wrong, but...
Nvm
Ill go look it up.
Monshou_no_Nazo
Smash Journeyman
Actually, Upsmash is easy to land and is a kill move, and people don't realize that his down tilt has killing power, because it's JUST THAT DECEPTIVE.
One problem I noticed with Ivysaur while playing as him is that people will manage to DI in order to get knocked away from the initial hit, making Bullet Seed much more difficult to land.
joeysmash
Smash Ace
the pokemon trainer is high mid tier.
snake can either be really good or bad. most likely a higher tier with top tier potential.
olimar is low high tier.
space animals will all place very high, Falco being the highest.
Yoshi should really move up to mid tier. hes a lot better, not great but better and some people will start to use him.
dedede will be high midtier or low high tier.
Samus will drop to low mid tier, or high low tier.
MK will be high tier.
Pit will be High Tier.
Ike has high tier potentional, we will have to wait longer to see how his game evolves though.
Pikachu is definatly high tier, with TOP tier Potential.
Lucario in a good players hands can be low high tier, but will mostly likely fall into mid tier.
Marth will remain high tier. I still don't think hes good enough to get top though.
These are players i play a lot as, and all of the predications are quite reasonable.
snake can either be really good or bad. most likely a higher tier with top tier potential.
olimar is low high tier.
space animals will all place very high, Falco being the highest.
Yoshi should really move up to mid tier. hes a lot better, not great but better and some people will start to use him.
dedede will be high midtier or low high tier.
Samus will drop to low mid tier, or high low tier.
MK will be high tier.
Pit will be High Tier.
Ike has high tier potentional, we will have to wait longer to see how his game evolves though.
Pikachu is definatly high tier, with TOP tier Potential.
Lucario in a good players hands can be low high tier, but will mostly likely fall into mid tier.
Marth will remain high tier. I still don't think hes good enough to get top though.
These are players i play a lot as, and all of the predications are quite reasonable.
Browny
Smash Hater
all makes sense except ike lol. i think everyone found all the tricks he has within day 1 of release.
although how big are you assuming these tiers? i mean you have an awful lot in high
although how big are you assuming these tiers? i mean you have an awful lot in high
Frown
poekmon
Oh, so you main Ganondorf instead. I get it.
SwordmasterXXXI
Smash Journeyman
*Facepalm*
Snowstalker
Smash Ace
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And everyone agrees that everyone>>>>>Ganon and CF.
Sh1n0b1
Smash Journeyman
What more can we find of Ike? His game was figured out 3 days after the JAPANESE release.
eggs-on-toast
Smash Apprentice
Is DK still high tier? I know he's apparently very good against Snake who's probably the best at the moment but i heard he's very poor against some of the other higher tiered characters.
JrdnS
Smash Ace
agreed. ikes game cannot evolve any more. unless of course someone finds some crazy AT with him...which wont happen.
WouW
Smash Lord
eggs-on-toast
Smash Apprentice
WouW is DK not considered a Snake counter? I've heard that alot hear and elsewhere
Snowstalker
Smash Ace
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Top:
Snake
Meta Knight
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
R.O.B.
High:
King Dedede
Toon Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Wolf
Kirby
Pit
Olimar
Wario
Donkey Kong
Middle:
Fox
Luigi
Zero Suit Samus
Lucario
Diddy Kong
Zelda
Lucas
Bowser
Mario
Yoshi
Ness
Low:
Peach
Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Shiek
Samus
Sonic
Link
Bottom:
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Captian Falcon
As with the others, this list is open to praise or criticism.
Snake
Meta Knight
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Falco
R.O.B.
High:
King Dedede
Toon Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Wolf
Kirby
Pit
Olimar
Wario
Donkey Kong
Middle:
Fox
Luigi
Zero Suit Samus
Lucario
Diddy Kong
Zelda
Lucas
Bowser
Mario
Yoshi
Ness
Low:
Peach
Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Shiek
Samus
Sonic
Link
Bottom:
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Captian Falcon
As with the others, this list is open to praise or criticism.
WouW
Smash Lord
eggs-on-toast
Smash Apprentice
oh right sorry its just i heard different but thanks for the link and quick reply.
mirkdddlhppr
Smash Cadet
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EDIT: I forgot to mention that the characters are in NO PARTICULAR ORDER. I haven't legitimately played as all characters at their full potential enough to decide exact placings. 
Top:
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Snake
Meta Knight
Falco
Toon Link
High:
King Dedede
R.O.B.
Pikachu
Luigi
Wolf
Diddy Kong
Pit
Olimar
Wario
Donkey Kong
Middle:
Fox
Ice Climbers
Zero Suit Samus
Lucario
Zelda
Lucas
Bowser
Link
Ness
Low:
Peach
Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Shiek
Samus
Sonic
Mario
Bottom:
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Maybe PT to bottom. Lol.
Top:
Mr. Game & Watch
Marth
Snake
Meta Knight
Falco
Toon Link
High:
King Dedede
R.O.B.
Pikachu
Luigi
Wolf
Diddy Kong
Pit
Olimar
Wario
Donkey Kong
Middle:
Fox
Ice Climbers
Zero Suit Samus
Lucario
Zelda
Lucas
Bowser
Link
Ness
Low:
Peach
Pokemon Trainer
Ike
Shiek
Samus
Sonic
Mario
Bottom:
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Yoshi
Captain Falcon
Maybe PT to bottom. Lol.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Zelda needs more attention in this thread. People simply state that she has no approach and disgard her. She has an average approach, but thanks to her defensive options she will NEVER NEED TO!
SaxDude93
Smash Apprentice
I actually somewhat like this. The general placings are about right, but the individual placings are always open to nitpicking.
JrdnS
Smash Ace
woah. what is up with your top. game and watch number 1. i think your being biased if you main him. im assuming you do because hes you symbol thing. game and watch is great and he is one of my mains but not the best. he should be third. and snake is definitley number 1 and metaknight number 2. marth is probably like number 5 and falco is maybe 4 or so. the rest looks pretty ok execpt for a few mistakes here and there.
Okey, been reading this thing for awhile now and its about time I post my own tier list. Will only include top and high, cause quite frankly thats all that matters.
Top:
Pikachu
Snake
Meta Knight
High:
Falco
R.O.B
Game and Watch
Marth
DDD
Now you may say wtf is Pika doing in Top, and if you do, it only shows on thing. You have never played against a good Pikachu player.
A good pikachu player is almost imposible to beat in a series. Why? Cause he can outcamp EVERY other char in the game, not to mention a completely broken down smash. Very good recovery, good arial game and a u-b attack that makes you pull out your own hair in frustration. Oh yeah, chain grab anyone? When a pro player learns to use all theese things thats when you realise how crazy pikachu really is. Hopefully someone good will start using him in tournies soon, and get away with some easy top three placements. And no I am not a fanboy, I am just one of many in a group of friends tired and frustrated at how imba that little mouse can be.
Top:
Pikachu
Snake
Meta Knight
High:
Falco
R.O.B
Game and Watch
Marth
DDD
Now you may say wtf is Pika doing in Top, and if you do, it only shows on thing. You have never played against a good Pikachu player.
A good pikachu player is almost imposible to beat in a series. Why? Cause he can outcamp EVERY other char in the game, not to mention a completely broken down smash. Very good recovery, good arial game and a u-b attack that makes you pull out your own hair in frustration. Oh yeah, chain grab anyone? When a pro player learns to use all theese things thats when you realise how crazy pikachu really is. Hopefully someone good will start using him in tournies soon, and get away with some easy top three placements. And no I am not a fanboy, I am just one of many in a group of friends tired and frustrated at how imba that little mouse can be.
JrdnS
Smash Ace
pikachu isnt top tier but he is pretty good against snake.( definitely not saying hes better) hes high tier. he has a disadvantage over like 8 other characters. you may be thinking of smash 64 if you put pika as number 1. lol
Grunt
Smash Master
I stopped reading here.
This is the most pathetic excuse and is being abused by noobs everywhere.
Pikachu is not Top, end discussion.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
D smash is not broken, learn to DI.
Toon Link outcamps pika.
Sonic has a better recovery and aerial game.
Toon Link outcamps pika.
Sonic has a better recovery and aerial game.
TOP:
Metaknight
Snake
High:
G&W
ROB
Falco
Pit
DDD
Pikachu
Fox
Olimar
Marth
Wario
Lucario
Ice Climbers
Toon Link
Wolf
Middle:
DK
Diddy
Zelda
Luigi
Kirby
Bowser
Pokemon Trainer
ZSS
Sonic
Ike
Peach
Lucas
Shiek
Ness
LOW:
Ganondorf
Mario
Samus
Link
Jiggs
Capt. Falcon
Yoshi
Metaknight
Snake
High:
G&W
ROB
Falco
Pit
DDD
Pikachu
Fox
Olimar
Marth
Wario
Lucario
Ice Climbers
Toon Link
Wolf
Middle:
DK
Diddy
Zelda
Luigi
Kirby
Bowser
Pokemon Trainer
ZSS
Sonic
Ike
Peach
Lucas
Shiek
Ness
LOW:
Ganondorf
Mario
Samus
Link
Jiggs
Capt. Falcon
Yoshi
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