Official BBR Tier List v7

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'll do a Texas sized money match when I have a Texas sized bank account

I love this sentence.

 

[Jrugs]

gfsc is rediculously hard to pull off

seagull is better than me and has more experience in the matchup

I'll do a Texas sized money match when I have a Texas sized bank account

Well Ill be back in Texas Ill put 25$ on you, I think your one of DFW's finest players and very under rated.

 

[Neon!]

Well Ill be back in Texas Ill put 25$ on you, I think your one of DFW's finest players and very under rated.

I appreciate the offer, especially since we've never played but I dont want to put someone else's money on the line.

On second thought, if I'm playing exceptionally well that weekend I might take you up on that...

 

[Jrugs]

I appreciate the offer, especially since we've never played but I dont want to put someone else's money on the line.

On second thought, if I'm playing exceptionally well that weekend I might take you up on that

HORAY!
Im more than willing to see a giant gorilla fight a talking wolf from outer space....and bet on it.....now thats a money match

.......not MK dittos

 

[Deleted member]

Lol@Auspher telling me things about .

Well you seem clueless enough to his rise, yet you're in the BBR.

Really, Seagull?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Auspher goin in.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Well you seem clueless enough to his rise, yet you're in the BBR.

Really, Seagull?

People were crunching numbers for a while with the percents listed in the OP. Very few people knew of the result until it was posted here.

 

[Seagull Joe]

You'd have to explain the dthrow to shine killing us everytime. Assuming perfect play, DK's tippered jab leads into a guaranteed side-b every time (gfsc) meaning a jab at 80% or above = death.

I probably shouldnt have brought up the playing perfect part now that I think about it....

DK's moveset isnt as diverse as Wolf's but this is balanced by the fact DK will be living ~40% more than wolf each stock and has better options for killing early with 9 wind (kills near 60%)

I'm pretty sure I'm going to whobo, I'll accept a $5 mm but you'll probably have to remind me.

Dthrow puts you offstage, which allows us to shine>js your predictable recovery. Normally, it is very hard to do to , but under "perfect play", it'd happen everytime.

lives longer, but eats a ton more damage. And 9 wind isn't a safe option at all looool. Full charge is "sometimes" safer, but I've died more to Dsmash setups if I remember my matches with 's

gfsc is rediculously hard to pull off

seagull is better than me and has more experience in the matchup

I'll do a Texas sized money match when I have a Texas sized bank account

I wanna go to one of the places in Texas from Man Vs Food. Texas looks like it has some good eats. Drive meeeeeeeeee .

Well you seem clueless enough to his rise, yet you're in the BBR.

Really, Seagull?

VVVV

People were crunching numbers for a while with the percents listed in the OP. Very few people knew of the result until it was posted here.

 

[-Mars-]

Assuming flawless play is one of the dumbest things you can possibly say imo. Assuming flawless play nobody ever gets hit and nobody ever gets grabbed and we have a match that goes to time with perfect play where ever attack is powershielded and perfectly spaced and every grab is spotdodged.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Overall I saw most of these changes coming with only a few suprises. The only thing that really "shocks" me is that it changed this drastically this fast. Like, I knew Olimar and ICs were gonna move above Snake eventually, I just figured it wouldn't be until another tier list since Snake is still going mega hard making dem $$$s.

I must say I'm digging the Borderline Tier. I always felt like those guys were too good for Mid tier, but I can see why data doesn't justify High tier placing either. Also, thumbs up to Wolf rising above Fox. This is the first time Fox has ever been the worst spacey, isn't it?

 

[Kuro~]

subbin for da future

 

[Tesh]

Sheilda just keeps getting better and better...somehow.

 

[Neon!]

I mentioned "flawless play" because DK is a significantly better character when he powershields projectiles. When he doesnt his shield gets small quickly and characters like wolf have far more reliable approaching options when dk's shield is low. I probably should have clarified that earlier lol.

The same principle applies to pit and falco. Dk is much more of a threat when his shield is conserved.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Also, thumbs up to Wolf rising above Fox. This is the first time Fox has ever been the worst spacey, isn't it?

Well, technically since he was the only Spacey in 64, he was the worst by default. The best as well, but still the worst.

 

[Shadocat]

(+6)

(+3)

I blame dabuz 100% for this Kid Icarus outbreak.

(-1)

This makes me sad........



But seriously though, my brain hurts from trying to comprehend this stuff

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Sheilda just keeps getting better and better...somehow.

Yay increases!

 

[Dabuz]

Next tier list: Pit is top of high tier. CALLING IT NOW!

 

[da K.I.D.]

I heard m2k is picking up pit...

 

[Jimmyfosho]

that will never happen.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

you guys for real? i mean he's great but olimar is not better than diddy or ICs. diddy should be 2nd, ICs 3rd, olimar 4th (at best)

 

[Fuujin]

I think that sheilda should just be replaced with sheik. It's not the zelda's switching to sheik... it's the sheik mains primarily using sheik then going zelda to land 1 move. Or against Pikachu to take 50% to avoid the CG.

By the logic of what Sheilda is, there's no reason to use Zelda in the Fox or Ganon match up.
There's no reason to take two +3 Mus and lower them to a 0 and a -3.
Sheilda is supposed to be the optimal use of both Zelda and Sheik together, which just ends up being 95% Sheik.

So Sheilda is basically Sheik 2.0, with like 3 slightly better MUs than Sheik alone.
Not sure why 3 slightly better Mus equates to 3 spots away from Sheik on the tier list though.

 

[Ripple]

People don't realize how bad dk actually is

 

[Fuujin]

Ripple you don't even play this game anymore go away

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Fuujin with dem gifs substituting for substance

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I heard m2k is picking up pit...

I hear he's picking up rob

 

[Espy Rose]

I wanna go to one of the places in Texas from Man Vs Food. Texas looks like it has some good eats. Drive meeeeeeeeee .

There was an entire Man vs. Food episode in San Antonio. I eat at those places here and there. I got you.

...if you admit Sonic > Wolf.

 

[Pierce7d]

I think the grouping is good. I have real desire to nitpick between one or two spots, like whether Diddy is actually better than ICs or if Olimar is second or third or fourth, etc. I would say job well done for this list. My only real change would be to put Lucas in F Tier. I would say Lucas is noticably better than Mario, Falcon, Bowser, etc.

 

[1PokeMastr]

To be honest, I'm starting to agree with this tier list as whole when I look at it and reflect.

I main Falco, Marth and Dk.

Falco finally got the drop I was always talking about, all the Mu's above Dk are bad for him, except Marth, and the one bad for him below, is Luigi.

After my Dk was wrecked at the last tourney I was at, and my Marth and Falco pulled through..


His drop makes a lot of sense, and so does the list. Sorry Dk mains. But, he is this bad.

 

[Oldeeber]

What made Olimar 2nd? Was it the japanese players or something?

I don't follow Brawl anymore and this is really surprising.

 

[Vinylic.]

...if you admit Sonic > Wolf.

This must is be a joke. Actually, it is.


And yeah, Japanese players caused olimar to go 2nd.

 

[Maniclysane]

What made Olimar 2nd? Was it the japanese players or something?

I don't follow Brawl anymore and this is really surprising.

Oops, wrong account. I posted this. Soz.

 

[---]

I'm surprised that Olimar made that big a leap. Good thing I've been practicing with him.

Lol at the Hyrule tier.

 

[Vinylic.]

Jiggly needs to get out of there.

 

[Brawlman1000]

I think Olimar is to high. IC > Olimar

And Sonic should be D tier.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I like this list, good work guys.

 

[Tesh]

The real question is....Do mid tier tournaments include borderline or not? Without GnW, Wolf or Fox....Sonic will easily be the king of Mid Tier battles.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Guys guys. What if Ice Climbers are really the best characters in the game,

But Diddy, Olimar, and MK are just in the way

 

[WindMajor]

What made Olimar 2nd? Was it the japanese players or something?

I don't follow Brawl anymore and this is really surprising.

What made Olimar second was the fact that BBR votes had him placed somewhere around top tier, he has an above average MU spread compared to the rest of the cast, and he has the best Money/Usage ratio of all the characters.

Edit: After checking the numbers, Olimar's placings in those three categories were:

Votes: 3rd
MU Spread: 4th
Money/Usage: 1st

 

[knuckles213]

Nice. Although dropped a bit, borderline tier is a good idea.

Though seeing above is probably pissing off quite a few players right now. That probably won't end well as this picks up more.

lol, if anything peach needs to be higher

HORAY!
Im more than willing to see a giant gorilla fight a talking wolf from outer space....and bet on it.....now thats a money match

.......not MK dittos

I wanna see vs MM at whobo

you guys for real? i mean he's great but olimar is not better than diddy or ICs. diddy should be 2nd, ICs 3rd, olimar 4th (at best)

I agree with this, except olimar should always be higher than ICs

The real question is....Do mid tier tournaments include borderline or not? Without GnW, Wolf or Fox....Sonic will easily be the king of Mid Tier battles.

they should

 

[Dcold]

Besides Vinnie and Esam I don't really think any other ICs really make the character as amazing as they actually can be, which justifies their placing on the tier list imo. Olimar has been getting good rep with the MK Ban, and has been placing well even with MK legal, so not many surprises with this list.