Ness's confirmed Move List

[DeeDoubleU]

Are you sure he said that? I know he says that about DJC, but I can't find anywhere he says anything about the yoyo glitch and I just checked through his posting history for it and didn't find anything all the way back to January 1st about it.

 

[OnYourMark]

Are you sure he said that? I know he says that about DJC, but I can't find anywhere he says anything about the yoyo glitch and I just checked through his posting history for it and didn't find anything all the way back to January 1st about it.

right here bud.

U-smash: A LOT better, more knockback, more damage. I shieldstabbed Bowser and DK with it. Coudn't YYG because the first part had no knockback and was soon followed by the second part.

it could still possibly be in though.

 

[Ademisk]

Its true, in fact, I said right after that that I'm going to test it as soon as I play Brawl.

 

[DeeDoubleU]

Too bad then. I'm going to miss the expression of pure shock and awe that came from it...

 

[EToaster]

Masque de Maske up there says it's out.

Well, maybe he said it was out. I don't really recall...

 

[Ademisk]

I'm glad SOMEONE caught that joke.

 

[Conformal_Invariance]

So am I late to the party in saying that Ness' PK Thunder causes his body to do damage as long as the bolt is out?

 

[Locke66]

has pk flash been buffed at all?

 

[MorpheusVGX]

Without a doubt. It comes out faster, move faster so it can reach farther, is not so big anymore, and it hits strong. Has little lag as it ends.
See it for yoursefl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyOKjywWZ7o

There is a video where he and Lucas fights and you can see its power in there. Here, it doesn't connect.

 

[sagemoon]

My Hair tells me ness is going to be top tier!!!!!

 

[Ademisk]

....$10 Brawl MM Fate?

 

[sagemoon]

My Hair accepts the challenge. My Hair will not be using ness though.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Your hair will be using Lucas, amirite?

He's the only one in Brawl who's hair can look your hair in the eye and not get pregnant with envy.

 

[sagemoon]

My Hair is insulted by your comparison to Lucas

 

[Ademisk]

I figured you'd be using Marth.

 

[sagemoon]

Well I might be using marth. Maybe another character. It all depends on how I feel w/ the characters when the game comes out. I wont be using ness though >_> (I got tired of my hair speaking for me)

Lets just hope for you that ness doesn't get so easily combo'd in this one XD

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Lucas's hair is insulted by your hair's insultedness to being compared to it.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

i had a friend test something for me, guys...

get this....PK Thunder breaks upon colliding with another PK Thunder...


lolololololololololol

 

[Ademisk]

****it Simna. Did you test the REAL question? Whose PK Thunder wins out, Lucas's or Ness!? THIS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE!!!

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Lol! Duelling PK thunders!

 

[Ademisk]

This is the absolute decider. Who's better, Ness or Lucas. It all comes down to this.

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Seriously, Lucas will lose. We already know that his PK thunder does less damage per hit, and has low priority as an attack.

This is rigged!

 

[Ademisk]

Shut up, nobody was supposed to figure that out...>_>

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

I BRING GIFTS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJjz3yqxTMs

EDIT: o also ness pk thunder vs. lucas' pk thunder both are destroyed...any pk thunder breaks any other

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

o also: hitaku made that vid at my request...i asked to make another video that should have more stuff and it should be up tomorrow

maybe we'll learn something^_^

 

[maskeXD]

Masque de Maske up there says it's out.

I didn't get it...

 

[Masky]

Masque de Mask is a character in Phoenix Wright 3. I have a feeling I'm just adding to this confusion...

On topic: Anyone noticed how Ness's PK Fire causes him to throw his head backwards? This is kind of like Yoshi's side smash in Melee, so it could possibly be used in the same way as Yoshi's to move out of range for an incoming attack (like Marth's side smash), then hit the opponent if timed correctly.

Also, is there any confirmation that Ness can or can't hang his yo-yo off the edge like he can in Melee? It'd be interesting to see how this would interact with the new form of edge grabbing

 

[maskeXD]

Masque de Mask is a character in Phoenix Wright 3. I have a feeling I'm just adding to this confusion...

On topic: Anyone noticed how Ness's PK Fire causes him to throw his head backwards? This is kind of like Yoshi's side smash in Melee, so it could possible be used the same way to move out of range for an incoming attack (like Marth's side smash), then hit them if timed correctly.

OK, Mask of Mask in latin...

And I think that's just the weight of his big head.

 

[Aevin]

Also, is there any confirmation that Ness can or can't hang his yo-yo off the edge like he can in Melee? It'd be interesting to see how this would interact with the new form of edge grabbing

I was never able to do it, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. I just saw it do the first hit and immediately pull back in.

 

[maskeXD]

Does anyone know if Ness' PSI Magnet can absorb some FS like Mario's or Samus'???

 

[Ademisk]

I know it absorbs Dins Fire! HAH!



Also, Zelda is scary in Brawl....>_>

 

[AdmantNESS]

So have we discussed the effects of Stale-Move on Negation on Ness yet? That is, how much dmg decreases as you it use an attack repeatedly?

We may have to weave some tilts and jabs in our offense as well as cut back on the constant fairs and bairs I've come to love and save the bat, bair and other KO moves until its time to KO...

 

[Ademisk]

Tilts and jabs are especially important in brawl. Fair into ftilt is a great combo starter. Everyone is going to LOVE this game. It is so great, and so balanced.

Also, I REALLY mean to update the first post, but there's SOOO much information. I'm gonna wait until I have video, and then completely change this thread into the beginning of the ultimate Ness guide.

 

[SK8orDIE]

I believe Ness got the best buff of all.
He's the same.
No seriously, that is what most characters are begging for.
Being floaty in Melee, he is the same in Brawl, which=a very quick aerial character.
(dam can't spell air-iel...)
anyway his bair and dairs got a bit faster (which means a lot in the hectic world of Smash)
so his dair is usable again, and his yoyo is a bit stronger.
no nerfs here people, ness is surely seeing high-tier.

Got to play Brawl. Marvin was absolutely right. Ness is about the same mobility wise (and maybe a little better/faster/stronger) which makes him an excellent character this time. Dair drops characters faster, yo-yo has better range and knockback, psi magnet comes out much quicker, and PK Fire comes out fast and is harder to DI out of. PK Fire still angles when done aerially. I didn't DJC, but quickly found that keeping my trajectory while attacking aerially is a good thing.

 

[J Tangle]

Does anyone know if Ness' Bat has the same reflective properties from Melee

 

[Ademisk]

No. THEY'RE BETTER! THE ENTIRE BAT REFLECTS!! ^_^

 

[NESSBOUNDER]

Stale move negation isn't going to mean much to Ness's Fair. In fact, this move should benifit fom SMN because the decreased knockback will make it easier to combo.

Also, you can recharge your moves quickly by grabbing and pummeling.

 

[Ademisk]

at low %s, fair combos into TILTS!! ^_^

 

[NessOnett]

Also, you can recharge your moves quickly by grabbing and pummeling.

anyone know how recharge works with PKfire? does each hit count as one more towards recharging other moves? Because i don't think i have to tell any of you how helpful that would be if thats the case.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

GUYS! i played brawl yesterday!

i didnt get a chance to test anything cause we all just played nonstop 4 player FFAs, but i did play mostly Ness

Here is what I have to report: OMFG PK THUNDER IS ****

seriously...it moves SO FAST that making pinpoint-surgical strikes with PK Thunder 2 is MUCH easier AND there is considerably less lag after using it AND if you hit a wall you bounce off it REALLY far which is great for escape from the little lag you will have.

Also PSI Magnet is a recovery move...yeah unbelievable....we all know it stalls your fall a bit, but if you use it at the top of your double jump right when you should start falling it will stop you from falling but keep you drifting horizontally for a short period of time (iirc about as far as the distance you get from Mario's cape in Melee)

oh and all B moves cancel double jump....and Ness' dair ***** at early percent

sorry i couldnt test anything specific....just got what i could find in free-for-alls

oh and if YYG is in, it not doable in the same way it was in melee because the first hit of the yoyo pulls them into the second hit(which is good for more conventional purposes), but once i get more time to play i'll tray different things