AsbestosBlatant
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I posted the wrong one, check now.
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Ness's confirmed Move List
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Ademisk
Smash Champion
AngryLobster and Jman don't count.
OnYourMark
オンヨマク いつも
It looks like the PKT Barrier is gone... >.< I had so much fun with that.
and I'm concerned about DJC.
but hooray for the yo-yo and for the pillaring PK Fire!
and I'm concerned about DJC.
but hooray for the yo-yo and for the pillaring PK Fire!
Ademisk
Smash Champion
I was afraid when I saw Lucas's it was bad....no pillar....what's the point in living?
Levitas
the moon
I want the lag for Pk fire to get reduced by a lot. I'm thinking we should be able to know whether or not this is the case by now.
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Hmmm, double jump into immediate airdodge during the part where Ness is going down at the beginning. Could be a makeshift wavedash. Or rather...Airdodge during the Double jump and then attack for a makeshift DjC at any angle you want.
Levitas
the moon
Interesting... Ness may have mobility advantages after all.
AdmantNESS
Smash Ace
Good stuff, we now know the differences in the final smashes, PK Thunders and F-Smashes.
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Lucas's PK Thunder is so much better than Ness's its not even funny. That is SO unfair.
Whatnow88
Smash Rookie
Nice
I really am happy with today's announcement not only is it Ness but the fact that people who don't want spoilers can go to the site without the new update being thrown in their face is a nice touch. I also like that Sakurai has broken down the differences between Ness and Lucas. However I think I speak for most people when I say it's slightly disappointing that their moves are at all similar therefor needing the differentiation. The fact that they have a final smash that is the same in name and general concept is yet more unfortunate. I have a feeling that Lucas will end up being a weaker clone of Ness (as was the tendency of clones in melee to have the original or strong one and the clone or weaker remake) Ness would be and is the original
. So I am both happy with the update and afraid of more clones coming in future updates... Hopefully brawl doesn't become a scene from Clone War's.
I really am happy with today's announcement not only is it Ness but the fact that people who don't want spoilers can go to the site without the new update being thrown in their face is a nice touch. I also like that Sakurai has broken down the differences between Ness and Lucas. However I think I speak for most people when I say it's slightly disappointing that their moves are at all similar therefor needing the differentiation. The fact that they have a final smash that is the same in name and general concept is yet more unfortunate. I have a feeling that Lucas will end up being a weaker clone of Ness (as was the tendency of clones in melee to have the original or strong one and the clone or weaker remake) Ness would be and is the original
. So I am both happy with the update and afraid of more clones coming in future updates... Hopefully brawl doesn't become a scene from Clone War's.DeeDoubleU
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I want to know one thing and one thing only right now...
Yo yo glitch. In or out?
Yo yo glitch. In or out?
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Lucas looks stronger so far. His PK Thunder is way way better. But it's hard to tell without playing.
Airgemini
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I saw in a video when Ness hit himself with the PK Thunder it did 34% damage to the opponent...
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Yeah, but Lucas's goes through the opponent. If you had any idea how insanely powerful that is, you'd just quit Ness now probably.
Conformal_Invariance
Smash Journeyman
C'mon, think about it.
Sure, but it doesn't give you breathing room because it seems to just shock them there, and you're still in the PK Thunder animation.
Ness will break, pop them up, and be good to go.
Lucas' recovery will fare a little better, though I've never ran into any particularly zealous thunder eaters, so Ness' seems pretty good.
Elaborate some more and let's see what ups and downs we can find!
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Look, it stuns them, his turning radius is MUCH tighter, allowing for insane PK Thunder mindgames. You can't eat his thunder to edgeguard him, and with this he'll be able to edgeguard like a ****ing beast. His ENTIRE PKT IS A TAIL!!!
dan smith
Smash Champion
Lucas' PKT goes slower. Plus, you can always just wack Lucas to kill his recovery instead of just intercepting the PKT. I think Lucas recovery will be a little better. Not too much though.
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Yeah, but, beyond just recovery, I think that Lucas's PKT will have better mindgames, I'm afraid of what Simna will cook up with it.
Conformal_Invariance
Smash Journeyman
How long does it stun? (I haven't seen it stun yet in the videos I've seen)
Does it even drop the enemy like Ness' did?
Has anyone tried to tailwhip yet?
I think a little more info needs to be taken before we blow Lucas' PK Thunder up to God status, y'know?
Ademisk
Smash Champion
....Logic on the Brawl boards? I'm shocked into muteness.
Ademisk
Smash Champion
Lucas's is random or something, Ness's has a pattern.
kenny10
Smash Journeyman
*sigh* I guess I better start posting here as well.
Ademisk, what do u mean random?
Ademisk, what do u mean random?
rubiksfriend
Smash Apprentice
Anybody scared of Simna and Gimpy, now that their char. have received buffs?
weren't we always scared of Gimpy? as for me, i think it'd be fun to go up against Simna(being a Ness main myself), and i can't wait to see what i might be able to learn from him...or...teach him?
Lucas' PK Thunder IS better than Ness', but Ness' PKT2 is more offensive, since Lucas' don't really carry the opponent, and Ness' PK Fire and PSI Magnet are WAY better than Lucas'.
Thake a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q
Here you can see that Ness' PK Starstorm is better than Lucas' since Each of Lucas' meteors do 14%, and Ness', 20%
Thake a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q
Here you can see that Ness' PK Starstorm is better than Lucas' since Each of Lucas' meteors do 14%, and Ness', 20%
I must have missed this, but care to explain about the magnet? I haven't seen any uses of it by Ness or Lucas, so i can't compare at all. Ive been looking but vids have come up short.
Angrylobster
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I've seen a few videos where Lucas hits with his pk thunder, and it actually knocks the enemy BACK; so who knows, this might be one of the best ledge guarding tactics in the game. We'll see though
MorpheusVGX
Smash Journeyman
Lucas vs Ness
The differences between Ness and Lucas remind me of Ryu and Ken. Power vs Speed.
Pk Thunder: I think Lucas is better. You can attack multiple enemies with it and then use it to launch yourself. You cannot die when your pk thunder is eaten by another char. Also, why would you need a speedy pk thunder if you have such a long tail and control of it. Luca's pk thunder also looks more stylish.
Pk Thunder 2 (I may call it Pk crusher) : Ness Pk crusher is like Ryu's Hurricane, one hit and it hurts, but guess what? Is also shorter.. and probably, has a longer lag time when missed (I hope not). As Lucas pk crusher hit multiples times (just like Kirby's new dash attack) It probably has almost zero lag time. Why? because otherwhise he will always be hit back when he connects on the ground... Also.. Lucas Pk crusher gets farther, so it is better for recovery.
Pk fire: I do think Ness's flame pillar is more use full, as it stops and annoys enemies. It allows for some nasty combos. It is also better against multiple opponents. Lucas's explosive pk fire may damage them quicker but Ness gives damage and traps them. I think it is better.
Ness's yoyo has been changed. Obviously for the better. I am happy for that.
I can say Lucas has better recover overall, because of his pk thunder an crusher advantages and also for his rope snake that can grab edges. No that directional air dodge is gone, it really pays off.
Pk Startorm: Both seem pretty weak to me. You cannot even attack while the stars are falling. Ness's seem better tough, because of the damage.
Does any of you have a link to a video where I can see Ness using Pk flash in Brawl? I cannot talk about any comparison yet.
Is there any diference on their Psi Magnets?
The differences between Ness and Lucas remind me of Ryu and Ken. Power vs Speed.
Pk Thunder: I think Lucas is better. You can attack multiple enemies with it and then use it to launch yourself. You cannot die when your pk thunder is eaten by another char. Also, why would you need a speedy pk thunder if you have such a long tail and control of it. Luca's pk thunder also looks more stylish.
Pk Thunder 2 (I may call it Pk crusher) : Ness Pk crusher is like Ryu's Hurricane, one hit and it hurts, but guess what? Is also shorter.. and probably, has a longer lag time when missed (I hope not). As Lucas pk crusher hit multiples times (just like Kirby's new dash attack) It probably has almost zero lag time. Why? because otherwhise he will always be hit back when he connects on the ground... Also.. Lucas Pk crusher gets farther, so it is better for recovery.
Pk fire: I do think Ness's flame pillar is more use full, as it stops and annoys enemies. It allows for some nasty combos. It is also better against multiple opponents. Lucas's explosive pk fire may damage them quicker but Ness gives damage and traps them. I think it is better.
Ness's yoyo has been changed. Obviously for the better. I am happy for that.
I can say Lucas has better recover overall, because of his pk thunder an crusher advantages and also for his rope snake that can grab edges. No that directional air dodge is gone, it really pays off.
Pk Startorm: Both seem pretty weak to me. You cannot even attack while the stars are falling. Ness's seem better tough, because of the damage.
Does any of you have a link to a video where I can see Ness using Pk flash in Brawl? I cannot talk about any comparison yet.
Is there any diference on their Psi Magnets?
Levitas
the moon
Yeah, Lucas holds his in front of him. Ness is completely enclosed. Also, the Ness using PK flash is in my thread, it's under Subspace Emmisary gameplay, and it's the only one, so there you go.
Unfortunately, they're all completely uncharged, so whatever.
Unfortunately, they're all completely uncharged, so whatever.
MorpheusVGX
Smash Journeyman
Speed
Yeap, thank you. I saw it. But it is too uncharged to compare yet. It seems quicker tough. I guess I will be slower and stronger. But yet quicker than it was in Melee. I notice that the game was made slower on movement (as it was in N64) to avoid too much caos, and attacks and speciales were made quicker. The game itself seem to be tuned with that in mind.
Yeap, thank you. I saw it. But it is too uncharged to compare yet. It seems quicker tough. I guess I will be slower and stronger. But yet quicker than it was in Melee. I notice that the game was made slower on movement (as it was in N64) to avoid too much caos, and attacks and speciales were made quicker. The game itself seem to be tuned with that in mind.
Levitas
the moon
I'm guessing that Psi will be a much more usable and relavent style of attack in brawl. However, that doesn't mean that Ness or Lucas will be doing better in terms of tiers.
Disjointed hitboxes are everywhere.
Also, the real question that I have is whether or not Ness and lucas will have mobility advantages and tricks. That could easily determine the difference between usable and bottom tier.
Disjointed hitboxes are everywhere.
Also, the real question that I have is whether or not Ness and lucas will have mobility advantages and tricks. That could easily determine the difference between usable and bottom tier.
The advantage of Ness' PSI Magnet being enclosed is that he can just press down B to absorb projectiles, instead of turning to the direction of the projectile and pressing down B. Also, Ness can camp in Corneria, along with other strategies.
on http://youtube.com/watch?v=ACMvT0UuJbw you can see around 3:02 that Diddy is popped up by Ness' Dash attack, but it's blocked by the picto fire, there's other video that I saw it too, I'll try to post. It seems to be the same as Melee.
MorpheusVGX
Smash Journeyman
Reaching Energy
But also, having your psi magnet in front of you is an advantage in some situations. Sometimes, there is something spreading energy and with Ness you need to be almost inside that energy to get it, and you can't get inside without being damaged. I mean, sometimes when the energy is directed towards you, Ness has the advantage, as he doesn't need to turn or can get energy from both sides at the same time. BUT, when there is something like a pokemon, bowser's fire, or Charizard's fire, you can be in a safe position, where it cannot reach you and then you use Lucas's Psi magnet in front of you and then you reach that energy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bq4KmrWFki4&feature=user
|Ness SSE gameplay
There you can see that Ness is faster and his PKT2 does a LOT damage.
At first, I saw Ness' PKT2 and I thought: "Man, its range sucks", but then I realized that what actually happens is that it slows down when it hits something.
|Ness SSE gameplay
There you can see that Ness is faster and his PKT2 does a LOT damage.
At first, I saw Ness' PKT2 and I thought: "Man, its range sucks", but then I realized that what actually happens is that it slows down when it hits something.
Ademisk
Smash Champion
I have so much to say, and so little I want to.
PSI Magnet's strength depends 100% on lag. Whoever has the less lag will have the better magnet. My guess is that Lucas will have less lag, but absorb less %(Ness traditionally does % rounded down X 2).
PK Thunder's damage and knockback isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using it to edgeguard and mindgame opponents, which Lucas's PK Thunder seems perfect for in every way.
Maske, stop double posting.
And something else I probably forgot.
PSI Magnet's strength depends 100% on lag. Whoever has the less lag will have the better magnet. My guess is that Lucas will have less lag, but absorb less %(Ness traditionally does % rounded down X 2).
PK Thunder's damage and knockback isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about using it to edgeguard and mindgame opponents, which Lucas's PK Thunder seems perfect for in every way.
Maske, stop double posting.
And something else I probably forgot.
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