More Alt costumes than Wario, *spoilers* Also complete AT, Trophy, and Sticker list.

[KingKraken]

Are there any videos with the costumes in it?

 

[celebi23]

If the rest of the missing things are on the 2nd layer, then the following missing music should be on there as well. It'd be a little odd to remove 45 pieces of music & not rename the remaining tracks.

Missing Super Smash Bros. Brawl Tracks

Super Mario Bros
A11
A12
A18
A19

The Legend of Zelda
C06

Yoshi
E04

StarFox
G06

Fire Emblem
J01
J05

Mother/EarthBound
K02
K03
K04
K06

WarioWare
M14

Animal Crossing
N04

NES Classics
Q03

Nintendo DS, Wii & Various other games
R01

Metal Gear
S01
S09

Super Smash Bros. and Victory Themes
T04

Sonic The Hedgehog
U05

Super Smash Bros. Brawl General Themes
X14

Subspace Emissary
Y06
Y12

Victory Themes and Various Short Clips
Z09
Z12
Z13
Z14
Z15
Z19
Z20
Z24
Z26 - Z34
Z36 - Z45
Z48
Z49
Z52
Z53

 

[Kain6th]

There was a video with the Rosalina assist trophy though. I remember seeing it...

Can you please find it?

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Are there even any SCREENSHOTS to back this up? Not that it doesn't make sense.

 

[Andydark]

I've been trying to find it, I swear she fired star bits, not star pieces. I'll keep looking...

I swear, I was showing it to a friend of mine... What event was it seen at?

 

[AsbestosBlatant]

Nono, not of Rosalina, that doesn't matter to me. (that sounded so mean)

The Alt-Costumes thing.

 

[Ojanya]

I'd like that. Better than just different colored skin...

 

[Andydark]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fdH1LhOHWPU&feature=related

Not the video I saw, but... When it gets to AT's, one close to the end resembles Rosie. I'll keep looking.

 

[TerminalMontage]

They're on the game disc, it's probably true.

Doc, Roy, Mewtwo, Plusle/Minun, Dixie and Toon Zelda/Sheik (Tetra) are in the coding for Brawl. They are roughly the same size file as Sheik.

They are not complete characters, they are just in the code, under characters. They still need moves, textures, sounds and Kirby hats.

The file for them to be complete would be small enough to be on the VC. They would need place holders if they wanted to allow these characters to be downloaded, just as Pokemon does (kind of). We have place holders. There is room on the character selection screen.

Now onto music coding.
Within the music, there are 3 unknown songs. 2 are "New Features" the other is oddly named "Purchase"
Purchase, as in buy. 2 unknown features and purchase. Sounds like something is buried in the game to be prepared for something...

Downloadable content has been something people have wanted for Brawl since they announced WiFi. It would allow lots of money if they charged like 5$ a character.

I'm not sure, but so many coincidences are pointing to a feature people wanted, Nintendo would want, and would work. 3 vets, 3 newcomers. It's an equal number each. That is also a huge coincidence.

I don't know exactly what they are planning, but I wouldn't give up on some of the vets just yet.

 

[Andydark]

However, when you try to view it, the game will probably crash (if the 2nd trophy is indeed not there).

Wrong. In Melee, if you tried to access Tamagon in some versions, you'd get a Mario trophy.

Also, you can force Akaneia, Ice Top, and DUMMY to be playable.

So it is possible.

 

[Frogla]

Wrong. In Melee, if you tried to access Tamagon in some versions, you'd get a Mario trophy.

Also, you can force Akaneia, Ice Top, and DUMMY to be playable.

So it is possible.

Do not forget ditto was blocked off in the pokeball section but was still there in the coding.

 

[Indignant]

Wait...why is Shiek only 128 Mb/b whatever the type it is? Shiek's a full character, no? So could there be data hidden on the disc we haven't found?

 

[Kain6th]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fdH1LhOHWPU&feature=related

Not the video I saw, but... When it gets to AT's, one close to the end resembles Rosie. I'll keep looking.

Which row and how many spaces up or down is she?

 

[Darkfur]

Wait...why is Shiek only 128 Mb/b whatever the type it is? Shiek's a full character, no? So could there be data hidden on the disc we haven't found?

Look at how big Zelda's file is though. Most of Sheik's info is probably in there.

 

[TerminalMontage]

Doc, Roy, Mewtwo, Plusle/Minun, Dixie and Toon Zelda/Sheik (Tetra) are in the coding for Brawl. They are roughly the same size file as Sheik.

They are not complete characters, they are just in the code, under characters. They still need moves, textures, sounds and Kirby hats.

The file for them to be complete would be small enough to be on the VC. They would need place holders if they wanted to allow these characters to be downloaded, just as Pokemon does (kind of). We have place holders. There is room on the character selection screen.

Now onto music coding.
Within the music, there are 3 unknown songs. 2 are "New Features" the other is oddly named "Purchase"
Purchase, as in buy. 2 unknown features and purchase. Sounds like something is buried in the game to be prepared for something...

Downloadable content has been something people have wanted for Brawl since they announced WiFi. It would allow lots of money if they charged like 5$ a character.

I'm not sure, but so many coincidences are pointing to a feature people wanted, Nintendo would want, and would work. 3 vets, 3 newcomers. It's an equal number each. That is also a huge coincidence.

I don't know exactly what they are planning, but I wouldn't give up on some of the vets just yet.

 

[FlipTroopa]

Doc, Roy, Mewtwo, Plusle/Minun, Dixie and Toon Zelda/Sheik (Tetra) are in the coding for Brawl. They are roughly the same size file as Sheik.

They are not complete characters, they are just in the code, under characters. They still need moves, textures, sounds and Kirby hats.

The file for them to be complete would be small enough to be on the VC. They would need place holders if they wanted to allow these characters to be downloaded, just as Pokemon does (kind of). We have place holders. There is room on the character selection screen.

Now onto music coding.
Within the music, there are 3 unknown songs. 2 are "New Features" the other is oddly named "Purchase"
Purchase, as in buy. 2 unknown features and purchase. Sounds like something is buried in the game to be prepared for something...

Downloadable content has been something people have wanted for Brawl since they announced WiFi. It would allow lots of money if they charged like 5$ a character.

I'm not sure, but so many coincidences are pointing to a feature people wanted, Nintendo would want, and would work. 3 vets, 3 newcomers. It's an equal number each. That is also a huge coincidence.

I don't know exactly what they are planning, but I wouldn't give up on some of the vets just yet.

You. You sir. You are a genius.

 

[Lithos]

The file for them to be complete would be small enough to be on the VC. They would need place holders if they wanted to allow these characters to be downloaded, just as Pokemon does (kind of). We have place holders. There is room on the character selection screen.

That's interesting. Just the fact that the bare coding for these characters is still on the disc should work to support the idea.

We'd all love to see DLC, but Nintendo has been really quiet on it since 06. Maybe they'll take more initiative toward it this year and start with Brawl.

 

[S2]

Good find on the word "purchase" in music coding. I really hope they offer DLC....as long as its not super expensive.

Oh well, for Smash I'd pay for it.

 

[GaryCXJk]

It's in the right row, white background. Somewhere around fourth.

 

[TerminalMontage]

That's interesting. Just the fact that the bare coding for these characters is still on the disc should work to support the idea.

We'd all love to see DLC, but Nintendo has been really quiet on it since 06. Maybe they'll take more initiative toward it this year and start with Brawl.

It would be pretty awesome.
:]


Too bad theres no Geno code and Isaac was confirmed an AT.

But hey, Mewtwo and Roy will be better I bet, and Plusle and Minun will be like Pikachu iceclimbers, they may suck in they're game but they sound awesome for Brawl.

 

[FlipTroopa]

I still find it shocking that we lost ATs. Duster and Sothe were confirmed by so many sources, and it wasn't just poor translation.

 

[gamer8]

What a freaking lier this punk is, I saw an alternate costume video, none of these characters were shown.

 

[firedragon_jing]

I found this over at Brawl Central

As of right now, it is just speculation whether this guy is a troll or telling the truth, I wan't to believe him at the moment, but it just doesn't settle at the moment, after already being let down.

Some points I'd like to make and more information....

1. How do you know I wasn’t ASKED to do this on purpose for marketing purposes? I’m not that stupid.
2. Most of the characters to be released don't already exist in Brawl as an Assist Trophy, Boss, Trophy, etc.
3. If you need evidence, wait until late March/early April. There will be post-Brawl polls on the Nintendo website after the release asking what people liked and didn’t like about Brawl. Europe will also get these polls once the game is released.
4. Characters will not be the only new factors put in.
5. The characters have not been implimented based on any fan polls or desires; the staff chose them based on their own criteria.

If you want further proof, I've noticed some clever people have found traces of additional characters in the encoding. Some of those characters will be additional costumes, others will be fully playable. Most of them are costumes/alternate characters.

That's all I know of for now.

 

[firedragon_jing]

What a freaking lier this punk is, I saw an alternate costume video, none of these characters were shown.

They would be unlockable somehow, or enabled through WiiConnect24

 

[•Col•]

What a freaking lier this punk is, I saw an alternate costume video, none of these characters were shown.

Note: People may want to actually read a thread before posting in it.

 

[brawl1994]

that sounds more like downloadable content to me....

 

[ChaoticTH]

Hmm... But wasen't Krystal important to the Star Fox Series, too?

 

[Cosine]

Um if Krystal, were to be a costume change, wouldn't that mean that she would have Fox's voice, imagine being up kicked off the screen by Krystal, and then hear Fox's Taunt Come on

 

[TheOfficialSonicFanboy]

I PMed this to someone and I guess they haven't read it yet. I thought I'd post it so everyone would know what I was thinking:

I do not have the game rip in my hands as of now. However I had an interesting thought I believe those of you looking at the disk could check.
As far as my knowledge goes, characters like Doc, Roy, Mewtwo, etc and unused characters do not have models but just general coding or placeholders of some sort. I have read they are the same size as the sheik file while the zelda file is abnormally large.
Now, here is my thought with all that in mind: Nintendo decided to stick the models and other coding for those characters in clone files. I would check the Mario, Lucario, Marth, and other files that could use these other characters as costumes, and see if their model files are larger or not. I was thinking they would be about the size of Wario's model files since Wario has two costumes that could require two models.
I was thinking the Mario, Marth, and Lucario for example could carry the Doc, Roy, and Mewtwo models respectively. I thought this would be something to chew on for you, because the developers would not be so lazy to just leave some unnecessary files in. That would be wasteful.

So folks, how about that? Has anyone checked the "clones" files to see if they have extra costume potential?

 

[firedragon_jing]

I PMed this to someone and I guess they haven't read it yet. I thought I'd post it so everyone would know what I was thinking:

So folks, how about that? Has anyone checked the "clones" files to see if they have extra costume potential?

For this, here is all the fighter data that I know of

\effect\fighter\ef_captain.pac, size:92832 off:2A8ED4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_dedede.pac, size:166720 off:2A903F40
\effect\fighter\ef_diddy.pac, size:81824 off:2A92CA80
\effect\fighter\ef_dixie.pac, size:128 off:2A940A20
\effect\fighter\ef_donkey.pac, size:76832 off:2A940AA0
\effect\fighter\ef_dr_mario.pac, size:128 off:2A9536C0
\effect\fighter\ef_falco.pac, size:300992 off:2A953740
\effect\fighter\ef_fox.pac, size:302016 off:2A99CF00
\effect\fighter\ef_gamewatch.pac, size:128 off:2A9E6AC0
\effect\fighter\ef_ganon.pac, size:62464 off:2A9E6B40
\effect\fighter\ef_gkoopa.pac, size:128 off:2A9F5F40
\effect\fighter\ef_ike.pac, size:134464 off:2A9F5FC0
\effect\fighter\ef_kirby.pac, size:159168 off:2AA16D00
\effect\fighter\ef_koopa.pac, size:105120 off:2AA3DAC0
\effect\fighter\ef_link.pac, size:218496 off:2AA57560
\effect\fighter\ef_lucario.pac, size:153696 off:2AA8CAE0
\effect\fighter\ef_lucas.pac, size:243616 off:2AAB2340
\effect\fighter\ef_luigi.pac, size:18016 off:2AAEDAE0
\effect\fighter\ef_mario.pac, size:71584 off:2AAF2140
\effect\fighter\ef_marth.pac, size:105728 off:2AB038E0
\effect\fighter\ef_metaknight.pac, size:302720 off:2AB1D5E0
\effect\fighter\ef_mewtwo.pac, size:128 off:2AB67460
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_ness.pac, size:240832 off:2AB67560
\effect\fighter\ef_peach.pac, size:113280 off:2ABA2220
\effect\fighter\ef_pikachu.pac, size:94208 off:2ABBDCA0
\effect\fighter\ef_pikmin.pac, size:172384 off:2ABD4CA0
\effect\fighter\ef_pit.pac, size:242496 off:2ABFEE00
\effect\fighter\ef_pokefushigisou.pac, size:144864 off:2AC3A140
\effect\fighter\ef_pokelizardon.pac, size:80224 off:2AC5D720
\effect\fighter\ef_poketrainer.pac, size:64672 off:2AC71080
\effect\fighter\ef_pokezenigame.pac, size:64256 off:2AC80D20
\effect\fighter\ef_popo.pac, size:54816 off:2AC90820
\effect\fighter\ef_pra_mai.pac, size:128 off:2AC9DE40
\effect\fighter\ef_purin.pac, size:106720 off:2AC9DEC0
\effect\fighter\ef_robot.pac, size:305120 off:2ACB7FA0
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
\effect\fighter\ef_samus.pac, size:102688 off:2AD02800
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_snake.pac, size:195904 off:2AD1B9A0
\effect\fighter\ef_sonic.pac, size:239232 off:2AD4B6E0
\effect\fighter\ef_szerosuit.pac, size:133280 off:2AD85D60
\effect\fighter\ef_toonlink.pac, size:102048 off:2ADA6600
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_wario.pac, size:78464 off:2ADBF5A0
\effect\fighter\ef_warioman.pac, size:128 off:2ADD2820
\effect\fighter\ef_wolf.pac, size:108160 off:2ADD28A0
\effect\fighter\ef_yoshi.pac, size:92640 off:2ADECF20
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_zelda.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00

 

[SAMaine]

I got bored so I decided to rearrange the fighter files in order of size. I think it's very interesting...

\effect\fighter\ef_robot.pac, size:305120 off:2ACB7FA0
\effect\fighter\ef_metaknight.pac, size:302720 off:2AB1D5E0
\effect\fighter\ef_fox.pac, size:302016 off:2A99CF00
\effect\fighter\ef_falco.pac, size:300992 off:2A953740
\effect\fighter\ef_pit.pac, size:242496 off:2ABFEE00
\effect\fighter\ef_lucas.pac, size:243616 off:2AAB2340
\effect\fighter\ef_ness.pac, size:240832 off:2AB67560
\effect\fighter\ef_sonic.pac, size:239232 off:2AD4B6E0
\effect\fighter\ef_link.pac, size:218496 off:2AA57560
\effect\fighter\ef_snake.pac, size:195904 off:2AD1B9A0
\effect\fighter\ef_pikmin.pac, size:172384 off:2ABD4CA0
\effect\fighter\ef_dedede.pac, size:166720 off:2A903F40
\effect\fighter\ef_kirby.pac, size:159168 off:2AA16D00
\effect\fighter\ef_zelda.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00
\effect\fighter\ef_lucario.pac, size:153696 off:2AA8CAE0
\effect\fighter\ef_pokefushigisou.pac, size:144864 off:2AC3A140
\effect\fighter\ef_ike.pac, size:134464 off:2A9F5FC0
\effect\fighter\ef_szerosuit.pac, size:133280 off:2AD85D60
\effect\fighter\ef_peach.pac, size:113280 off:2ABA2220
\effect\fighter\ef_wolf.pac, size:108160 off:2ADD28A0
\effect\fighter\ef_purin.pac, size:106720 off:2AC9DEC0
\effect\fighter\ef_marth.pac, size:105728 off:2AB038E0
\effect\fighter\ef_koopa.pac, size:105120 off:2AA3DAC0
\effect\fighter\ef_samus.pac, size:102688 off:2AD02800
\effect\fighter\ef_toonlink.pac, size:102048 off:2ADA6600
\effect\fighter\ef_pikachu.pac, size:94208 off:2ABBDCA0
\effect\fighter\ef_captain.pac, size:92832 off:2A8ED4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_yoshi.pac, size:92640 off:2ADECF20
\effect\fighter\ef_diddy.pac, size:81824 off:2A92CA80
\effect\fighter\ef_pokelizardon.pac, size:80224 off:2AC5D720
\effect\fighter\ef_wario.pac, size:78464 off:2ADBF5A0
\effect\fighter\ef_donkey.pac, size:76832 off:2A940AA0
\effect\fighter\ef_mario.pac, size:71584 off:2AAF2140
\effect\fighter\ef_poketrainer.pac, size:64672 off:2AC71080
\effect\fighter\ef_pokezenigame.pac, size:64256 off:2AC80D20
\effect\fighter\ef_ganon.pac, size:62464 off:2A9E6B40
\effect\fighter\ef_popo.pac, size:54816 off:2AC90820
\effect\fighter\ef_luigi.pac, size:18016 off:2AAEDAE0
\effect\fighter\ef_dixie.pac, size:128 off:2A940A20
\effect\fighter\ef_dr_mario.pac, size:128 off:2A9536C0
\effect\fighter\ef_gamewatch.pac, size:128 off:2A9E6AC0
\effect\fighter\ef_gkoopa.pac, size:128 off:2A9F5F40
\effect\fighter\ef_mewtwo.pac, size:128 off:2AB67460
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_pra_mai.pac, size:128 off:2AC9DE40
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_warioman.pac, size:128 off:2ADD2820
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80

In more readable terms, it would look like this...

R.O.B.
Meta Knight
Fox
Falco
Pit
Lucas
Ness
Sonic
Link
Snake
Pikmin & Olimar
King Dedede
Kirby
Zelda
Lucario
Ivysaur
Ike
Zero Suit Samus
Peach
Wolf
Jigglypuff
Marth
Bowser
Samus
Toon Link
Pikachu
Captain Falcon
Yoshi
Diddy Kong
Charizard
Wario
Donkey Kong
Mario
Pokemon Trainer
Squirtle
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers (Popo)
Luigi
Dixie Kong, Dr. Mario, Mr. Game & Watch, Giga Bowser, Mewtwo, Ice Climbers (Nana), Plusle & Minun, Roy, Sheik, Toon Sheik, Toon Zelda, Wario-Man, Fighting Alloys

Now assuming that this list is accurate, then we should assume that Zelda, Bowser, and Wario are hosting most of the files for Sheik, Giga Bowser, and Wario-Man respectfully. Notice which characters on the list are close by TO Zelda, Bowser, and Wario...

R.O.B, Meta Knight, Fox, Falco, and Pit are the characters with the most info in the effects.
Lucario (who is most likely to double for Mewtwo) is only 2080 less than Zelda.
Marth (who is most likely to double for Roy) is 608 more than Bowser
Diddy (who is most likely to double for Dixie) is 3360 more than Wario
Mario (who is most likely to double for Dr. Mario) is 6880 less than Wario.

What this means is that the seven could only really need a Kirby Hat, a Final Smash, and being unlocked to be playable! It's definately worth investigating!

 

[The Adder]

Yes it would. What happens when a program of any kind tries to access something that's not there? An error occurs. If it's just a small error and it's a computer program, there might just be a window telling you of the error. What happens when it's a console game and the game continually tries to access the content? It crashes.

My point is that if the program no longer has the ability to try to access something that was once there, but isn't any longer it won't cause the it to crash. And it's not difficult to stop the program from attempting to access it.

 

[kitsuneboy_geoff]

Wow... This really is odd. They are relatively big files. Why would they be on the disk if they're not used in some way? It wouldn't have taken any effort to remove them.

 

[Bensei]

It would, if you've ever developed a game in a team you may know that removing a single part may ruin the whole game!

I can't imagine Toon Zelda and Shiek/Tetra or Plusle and Minun for being just costumes since they are shorter than their originals, and their is a sound on the Disc by the narrator who calls out Mewtwo's name. And Lucario is hardly even a Luigified clone of Mewtwo, they only share some moves, like Dedede shares some with Kirby

 

[yourfacehere]

Do you think that, maybe ,they had made their skins already but neglected to finish their character file?

Maybe they left the files on the cd for some reason.....

They wouldn't just put those files on there to take up space, would they.

 

[yourfacehere]

Wait.
Did you check for the files of kirby to see if e had any extra files.

 

[Yoshara]

@yourfacehere:
I take it you did not notice that the last post made in this thread was in Febuary.

P.S. Double posting is also a big no-no.

 

[yourfacehere]

Mini moding I see.
I thought that was frowned upon too.

It makes no difference to me , I just was interested in this thread and decided to post in it.

I double posted by accident it's not as if I'm going to flood the board with posts.

 

[Yoshara]

...and here I thought I was helping someone learn the rules, not posting a invitation to be sassed.

 

[Blistering Speed]

*sigh* Yoshara, no, you were being an obnoxious wannabe mod