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I believe it's 20 frames, or very close to that.
Kind of recently (just after patch 1.0.6) I read that horizontal Vectoring is still in the game, but vertical Vectoring is kind of replaced by DI. This means that if you are hit to the right, you should hold the stick to the left to survive and if you are hit to the left you should hold the stick to the right. Additionally, if you are hit upwards, you should hold left or right, away from the hitbox sending you up.
I still haven't found the video, though.
That's sort of what we've been working with since 1.0.4 hit.
Thanks for the answer! Now this just made it even more confusing... So, holding down/up has effect (adds/subtracts) when the knockback is both horizontal and vertical, but does nothing when the knockback is only vertical? I would be very interested to see the programming behind this.
Is this it?
I don't want to confuse the person who asked the question but that is not the correct way to DI in this game particularly against Ness's back throw. Holding up on the control stick increases knockback received, so the best way to DI Ness's back throw is holding (almost) completely horizontal towards the stage. Lavani's testing is more thorough and backs me up here.
no you can't cancel Skid with shield anymore. You can cancel it with Item Pick up, and Pivot Grab (but not Grab)
Are you using Peach and Rosalina? They're just too slow to punish a lot of rolls. Take the stage control; they only have so much space to roll to, after all...
I cant do anything. I cant put damage on i cant kill or grab. If i attack i get shield grabbed. I cant get a single attack in. Everything is getting shielded. I dont know what to do. I cant do anything right and nothing is workingAre you using Peach and Rosalina? They're just too slow to punish a lot of rolls. Take the stage control; they only have so much space to roll to, after all...
Sometimes there's just not an opportunity to punish. It's something you have to deal with while playing any fighting game, and Smash 4 is no exception.
If you get a perfect shield, you can cancel the shield immediately into whatever you want. Otherwise, you can cancel your shield with a Jump command and then cancel that jump with an Up-Smash.
If you were spacing correctly, you wouldn't be missing.
You may be playing with people out of your skill level. Ask for tips, observe how they play, and try to find players near your level. Once you start dominating those players you might find you are better at damaging the people you feel nothing is working against.
I'm just playing people on for glory.
Don't chase them down; get used to baiting them into running into your moves.
For glory is *alright* practice, but you should try and find some local smash. The lag on for glory makes it play pretty differently than local games.
Does anybody have any footage of this technique, or verify it's existence? I surfed the web for a bit, but couldn't find anything of the sort.
The problem is that you're probably playing aggressive. Smash 4 doesn't reward aggression a fraction as much as it rewards defense, especially online where input delay makes punishing recovery frames on dodges even harder than it already is. Try to play more campy for a while. Substitute a dash attack for a dash/pivot grab. If you notice your aerials are being shielded > grabbed, start doing empty jump-ins and grab them.
Yes, there are about 1-2 frames of vulnerability when the character is grabbing the ledge (this would be during the snap), and it's about the most useful information i ever found out about this game. Naturally a 1-2 frame window is pretty impossible to exploit with most moves, but with some timing, some moves are particularly good at it. Ike's Eruption is a good example of this, which is good because it's just about the only thing the move is useful for.
When characters get in range to grab the ledge from any state, they'll start reaching for the ledge frame 1 (still vulnerable) and grab the ledge on frame 3 (invincible). I'm unsure if frame 2 is vulnerable or not, haven't managed to prove or disprove it, but it'd make sense to me if invincibility is achieved by grabbing the ledge.
Pivot grab cannot be done during the turnaround animation.
can you cancel your skid into an attack like f-tilt or d-tilt?
you can cancel the initial part of skid with a dash attack kinda like how you can cancel a the initial part of dash with an F-smash, but no you cannot. you can definitely buffer actions
The issue im still having is these instant shields that are coming out of nowhere. For example someone uses a move with a lot of lag they whiff i go to attack in the spot of opportunity all of a sudden there is a shield. I'm having this issue a lot with people rolling. My biggest problem im still having is people just rolling. Cant punish them and even if i can there's the instant shield. Also how are people doing instant smashes. An example of a popular one is Link dsmash for example.
Everyone's shield comes out on Frame 1. It has been this way in every Smash game. They're not any faster by themselves; the issues come from the fact that many of the best moves have less endlag than they did, say, in Brawl. Rolls go a greater distance on average than in Brawl, too, iirc, so you have to go further to catch someone.
While failing to replicate this with
, I accidentally stumbled on what I think is what you actually discovered: when snapping to the ledge from above, the ledgesnap is fully invincible.
Why was I never informed of this?While failing to replicate this with
It seems that as long as you're above the ledge's horizontal plane, your ledgesnap is safe (which clears this up for me).
Demonstration with Falco Phase and Farore's Wind:
little mac's side B does with a super predictable path. does this help mac at all? lol.