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It was just two pages of posts not being understood. :I
but yeah it was stupid. I'll leave now lol.
but yeah it was stupid. I'll leave now lol.
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You are correct about the 150%+ percent kills for peach but that is pretty **** high. I would say that the match up is 60-40 lucarios favor with any stage that lucario can camp her. Mostly single platform stages. Lucario's simply have to stay above her and peach really can't do much. I have read some of the work around and maybe 55-45 lucarios favor on any other stage. I find it odd that peach gets the advantage if she gets the first kill. While naturally peach scenarios improves mostly likely peach will be at high enough killing % to kill around 30-40% with lucario. Then even after lucario gets the kill we can go aggro and make the stock percent even again leaning the game back into lucarios favor.Whenever I play a peach thats really good at the match-up or raz I ****ing HATE losing the 1st stock, like, even more then usual. because peach can easily rack a quick 0-50% or even 70ies in a few seconds, and when she's back all her moves are fresh again so she doesn't have to worry too much about staling her killers too badly <_<
if you're both playing it right-ish though whenever I die I usually have your damage racked high enough that a uptilt kills 150+%-ish on FD/SV/BF not like landing uptilt is easy on peach. we're not snake.
He beat Trela once iirc. Offline.EDIT: .... 65:35? MTI REALLY?What match-up experience do you even have outside of wifi peach? No offense to ill or anyone you play, but I don't think your region has a peach and peach requires so much precision that you can't even BEGIN to make assumptions on this MU based off wifi <_< I'm getting increasingly annoyed by some of your posts but w.e.
**** trying to hit peach with kill moves.You are correct about the 150%+ percent kills for peach but that is pretty **** high.
wat.. I would say that the match up is 60-40 lucarios favor with any stage that lucario can camp her. Mostly single platform stages. Lucario's simply have to stay above her and peach really can't do much.
30-40%? you still need to land the kill move for starters, and most peaches rack up damage faster then that :>cI have read some of the work around and maybe 55-45 lucarios favor on any other stage. I find it odd that peach gets the advantage if she gets the first kill. While naturally peach scenarios improves mostly likely peach will be at high enough killing % to kill around 30-40% with lucario. Then even after lucario gets the kill we can go aggro and make the stock percent even again leaning the game back into lucarios favor.
1- Up close if you go in , you beat all of kucarios moves. Or at worst trade hits, Nof if you do space it on his shield, Lucario can't follow up with anything, He can't punished it. Also if you space ground float Nairs to a jab (s)/ jab cancels. Only option he has to stop it all or break free is roll.Questions for darksies though, maybe other peaches too, but mostly dark.pch.
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tl;dr explain further on nair ****** lucario up close.
2. How does lucario having a charged AS result in peach outcamping him? You didn't really go into detail on this.
does this extend to half or nearly full charge AS as well? I've never played a peach that tried to just throw turnips at me, lead or no lead so I'm genuinely curious.
and 2 questions for darkies only.
3. What do you think thezsss-f-p vs peach MU is? do you think its stupid that he thinks its 65-35 peach favor?
4. Where did you get that snazzy beret you wearing at apex?
Can't you guys get along :x these are meant to be Match-up Discussions not Match-up Debates ><
Character pride I guess lol
basically what every matchup without a gimmick looks like but yeah. what he said.Ok Now while this is being said, I can bring stuff up too. Which just leads to a game of rock paper scissors. None is a mind reader and can every tell what one would do. So we go by the difficulty of the things. Like How hard/easy it is to kill, edgeguard, invade, evade, etc. And add everything up. And in this match up when you do that, Lucario slightly wins.
I said that I couldn't punish phantasm with lucario :I"Lucario would be better without Aura"
"You can't punish Phantasm with Lucario ever"
"Peach's float isn't good agaisnt lucario"
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
I don't think you can get close enough with Dair to hit us out of our Parasol before we hit you.I just think his base power [lowest power on even stocks] needs to be not, so, bad.
thats it.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Quick Question.
How quickly does Peach upB sweetspot the ledge?
and does it have invuln frames?
can we ghetto invincinair like MK and hit you out of it? [maybe even with dair/uair]
sorry??? :/basically, the one time Dark Pch. hasn't flamed a mu discussion, i feel that he'd actually be justified this time, this is ridiculous.
meh, this mu discussion has some good posts though so whatev.
get these furries out of here. this mu discussion has been poorly executed.
:|
Geeeeeeeez, let everyone discuss how they want to, you can't force people to discuss the way you'd like to see it. If you want it on another manner, be my guest, do it yourself. If you want to know something, ask questions.This matchup discussion has gone to hell. It's all theorycraft and discussing mixups and approaches when people aren't approaching. Don't discuss mixups unless they're relevant in move priority. Matchup discussions should talk about what moves beat what, how to mess with recoveries, stages to counterpick/ban, OoS punishments, killing attacks, and camping.
Hell ya'll aint even discussing camping right. This is brawl; EVERYONE is going to camp. Discuss who's camp game will be more effective. When you discuss mixups (e.g. what if I toad after Fair as a mindgame?!?! HUR HUR HUR) and specific scenarios you're theorycrafting. Theorycrafting should be done only be seen by the theorycrafter as its more of a way to personally decide what to do in a situation and improve as a player. There are too many scenarios in this game to list out and it just creates drama when you do try to list them out.
tl;dr: ****ing read it. But basically MU discussions are generalities, when you get really specific you theorycraft (which helps no one but yourself really), to which people theorycraft back and it just creates drama and disorganization.
Where do you CP lucario? And what options does Peach has if Lucario lands the first stock? When playing Junebug i felt hopeless on game 3 when he took the first stock.just ignore steam and MTI's non-data related posts and its all cool imo.
Any Questions you peaches might have on this MU?
Take him to Castle Seige, it is easier top keep the pressure there. He can't relly camp you mush there. and on the second part of the stage, if you have the lead, just run/evade. It's hard for him to catch you with his speed. Yet alone hit you. The third part of the stage is just a standard fight. Till you get back to the first part of the stage. Then you has a nice advantage once again. easy to keep lucario near you and pressure, and them platforms or gonna give him the booty. her plat form game gets at Lucario.Where do you CP lucario? And what options does Peach has if Lucario lands the first stock? When playing Junebug i felt hopeless on game 3 when he took the first stock.