Sariku
Smash Master
Lucario is not a clone of Mewtwo; Lucario is Mewtwo's spiritual successor.
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Yeah, it says something when one of the moves cited as a similarity also has enough differences to make it its own attack. Otherwise you get into a giant brouhaha about characters copying others when in the end they're all just using one of several basic formulae.Agreed. Some moves do have a distinct Mewtwo flavor, but with a new twist. And by some, the only one I am even fully aware of is the Aura Ball, which in itself has differences involved as well.
If they were "clearly based" off Mewtwo, there would be no discussion. As it exists now, the similarities are too vague and nebulous to make a stretch like that without looking sort of foolish.He can't be a Mew2 clone because Mew2 aint in the game
But certain aspects of him are clearly based off of Mew2 which I think is what you and most everyone on either "side" are trying to say.
If there where no "certain aspects" of him that where clearly based off of Mew2 than there also wouldn't be any talk about him being simular to Melee Mew2 now would there? (Example: Diddy doesn't remind people of Melee Mew2 when either playing him or whiching him)If they were "clearly based" off Mewtwo, there would be no discussion. As it exists now, the similarities are too vague and nebulous to make a stretch like that without looking sort of foolish.
I certanily don't,, but there's certainly a staunch faction out there who has a mule-like stance on this issue. Though as long as they don't ruin it for others, I'm cool with them.The word "Luigified" comes to mind... Seriously though, I agree... A lot of Lucario's moves are different from Mewtwo's, not to mention the damage multiplier makes him much more unique... Yes, Mewtwo isn't in the game, but that shouldn't be taken into account in this discussion IMO...
...actually, who cares?
I'll tell you what, Black/Light. Track down dual layer Brawl iso that just hit the net and get yourself a Wiikey with the 1.9 update and try out Lucario. Then you'll know why the particular side you're on is stretching it just a wee bit.If there where no "certain aspects" of him that where clearly based off of Mew2 than there also wouldn't be any talk about him being simular to Melee Mew2 now would there? (Example: Diddy doesn't remind people of Melee Mew2 when either playing him or whiching him)
The discussion isn't about IF there are "certain aspects" of him that are based on melee Mew2, it's about how much of him was based on Melee Mew2.
We have people saying "he feels like a Mew2 who doesn't suck" after playing him so yeah, there must be some clear similarities between them.
Basicaly, both sides are saying the same thing but in a different light. One "side" just wants to say he is less Mew2 than he looks and the other wants to say he is more Mew2 than those people think. Neither side is trying to say he aint anything like Mew2 because there are clear aspects of him that where last seen in Mew2.
*Sigh* I was about to do something else but I guess I have to correct you.I'll tell you what, Black/Light. Track down dual layer Brawl iso that just hit the net and get yourself a Wiikey with the 1.9 update and try out Lucario. Then you'll know why the particular side you're on is stretching it just a wee bit.
No harm done, but it's just as ridiculous as the "Ike is a Roy clone" remarks. People vaguely dissatisfied with the roster sniping at things that aren't there.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=140957I've been watching his WifiWars vids and all I can say is that he is like a Mewtwo that has been improved on almost EVERY level.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=140961Lucario is NOT Mewtwo. This has been said and agreed on. However Lucario is very much Like Mewtwo in certain aspects.
Can we all agree than Mewtwo was not COMPLETELY kicked to the curb but was resurrected in the soul of another character. This means that the Creators did not intend to upset the Mewtwo devotees and met them halfway.
Could not have said it any better, like he said there is nothing wrong with some of lucarios moves based off of Mewtwo. Having it like that can appeal to the lucario fans and the mewtwo fans at the same time. And there are no clones in the roster besides toon link, the people that would have been a clone arnt and the people that were clones arnt anymore.
*Sigh* I was about to do something else but I guess I have to correct you.
1. WTH side am I on?
I openly stated he aint a clone. I clearly stated what the whole "debate" is about. And most people agree with the stance I have that he does clearly have certain aspects from melee Mew2. . .
That is pretty much my stance on this all summed up.
2. WTH is wrong with him having certain aspects that clearly look to be taken from Mew2? Theres nothing out-right wrong with that atleast IMO. . .a better, more user friendly character than Melee Mew2.
3. Im happy with the roster and I will be the first person to say that there are not any clones in brawl (maybe save Toon Link). Hell, Luigi-ed isn't good enuff to show how different Falco is to Fox to some people's impressions after playing brawl.
He is clearly based off of Mewtwo. What the heck are you guys even debating here? Seriously, he shares over half of Mewtwo's moves and the ones that aren't the same tend to be incredibly similar and serve mostly the same purpose. The major difference is that Lucario is just WAAAAY better than Mewtwo in almost every aspect.If they were "clearly based" off Mewtwo, there would be no discussion. As it exists now, the similarities are too vague and nebulous to make a stretch like that without looking sort of foolish.
You'd have a point if your post wasn't riddled with generalizations. I could take down this retort with ease by replacing Lucario and Mewtwo with two other character names, but it'd be a waste of my time. If being floaty is enough to make him Mewtwo V2, in the face of everything else, a slew of others are as well.He is clearly based off of Mewtwo. What the heck are you guys even debating here? Seriously, he shares over half of Mewtwo's moves and the ones that aren't the same tend to be incredibly similar and serve mostly the same purpose. The major difference is that Lucario is just WAAAAY better than Mewtwo in almost every aspect.
Hey, you might need to check your Keyboard, it appears your caps lock might be broken >.>Lucario is not Mewtwo, nor is he Mewtwo's "spiritual successor". THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEADS!
Lucario isn't even based off Mewtwo! THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK SIMILAR! IT'S LIKE SAYING BARACK OBAMA AND JOHN MCCAIN ARE RELATED!
Hey, you might need to check your Keyboard, it appears your caps lock might be broken >.>
Lucario is not a clone of Mewtwo; Lucario is Mewtwo's spiritual successor.
And correct punctuation is REAL coolness.Lucario isn't Mewtwo's spiritual successor. Lucario is Mewtwo's master.
AND CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
You want to see my retort to this? Check my thread on Lucario's moveset. I've basically went through every move based compared to Mewtwo's moveset and it's extremely similar.You'd have a point if your post wasn't riddled with generalizations. I could take down this retort with ease by replacing Lucario and Mewtwo with two other character names, but it'd be a waste of my time. If being floaty is enough to make him Mewtwo V2, in the face of everything else, a slew of others are as well.
FOR THE LAST TIME HE IS NOT A CLONE!!!!!He is clearly based off of Mewtwo. What the heck are you guys even debating here? Seriously, he shares over half of Mewtwo's moves and the ones that aren't the same tend to be incredibly similar and serve mostly the same purpose. The major difference is that Lucario is just WAAAAY better than Mewtwo in almost every aspect.
I fixed your post, my corrections is in bold.I think if you took Mewtwo, then made a luigi-fied clone, THEN made a Wolf-kinda clone from that, you'd get Lucario. (Just if you don't know, Fox has similar special moves to Wolf although they have different effects,animations, and attack angles. He also has many different melee attacks...)
But yeah, just an opinion from someone who has looked a lot into Lucario recently and played a bit of Mewtwo in Melee....
I fixed YOUR post. Corrections are underlined and bolded.I fixed your post, my corrections are in bold.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=141989
Honestly, it's not even worth trying to start a debate with these folks. It's like arguing with individuals who see the virgin mary, or jesus or the devil in some random object. It's people seeing whatever they want to see, despite the reality of the manner.FOR THE LAST TIME HE IS NOT A CLONE!!!!!
# 1) MookieRah was half right, he is based off of mewtwo but nothing else, most of his attackes are totally different, one of the only moves that are exactly the same (save aura sphere) is his up-b which in all sense doesnt even matter.
# 2) He doesnt share over half of mewtwos moves, three out of four of his smashes as different, five out of five of his airiels are different, three out of four of his tilts are different, two out of four of his specials are different and even his jab is different
Does that clear anything up
Really now? I didn't find his speed to be a problem at all. Actually, Lucario isn't really any faster than Mewtwo either. The problem with Mewtwo is that he was so friggin huge, his tail was a hitbox, and he was super light and easy to kill.I, for one, am glad they are not the same. I found Mewtwo too slow to use.
I hope this is sarcasm. If not, you are so up your own *** with Lucario fanboyishness to spot how obviously similar the two characters movesets are.Lucario isn't based off of anyone. Lucario's completely original. They share some similar moves, so what? So do Lucario and Xatu. I guess Lucario is based off of Xatu?
No, it's actually not.I hope this is sarcasm. If not, you are so up your own *** with Lucario fanboyishness to spot how obviously similar the two characters movesets are.
I think it goes like this. . .I hope this is sarcasm. If not, you are so up your own *** with Lucario fanboyishness to spot how obviously similar the two characters movesets are.
Mewtwo had shadowball... Also, Togekiss also learns Aura Sphere. It's not like it was so special with Lucario.Also, there are a lot of 4th gen moves. If anything, Mewtwo's 4th gen moveset is based off of Lucario's. Aura Sphere is Lucario's signature move, then they go ahead and give it to Mewtwo.
And? Xatu has Shadow Ball too. So do a lot of ghost-types as well. Your point?Mewtwo had shadowball... Also, Togekiss also learns Aura Sphere. It's not like it was so special with Lucario.
Also, if they weren't trying to make him similar to Mewtwo, why the hell does his aura sphere's follow a wave pattern like shadow ball when they aren't fully charged?
Seriously guy, Dguy outlined EVERYTHING and you are just making silly references to Pokemon that are arbitrary considering Lucario's moveset as a whole.
This is all pointless though. You fanboys can believe what you want, but anyone who has a brain realizes that Lucario in Brawl was indeed based of Mewtwo in Melee.
Yeah, that's what I believe. Lucario was not designed with Mewtwo in mind at all.Meh, Lucario isn't technically based off Mewtwo anymore than Mewtwo is based off fighting anime. Both Lucario and Mewtwo project abilities seen before in shows such as Dragonball Z(even perform the same 'kamehameha' pose when charging their energy). From Mewtwo's forward-throw to Lucario's Final Smash, Mewtwo is essentially Freiza in Pokemon form, and Lucario, like a saiyan, gets stronger after taking damage.
The character Lucario was not made with Mewtwo in mind, necessarily, though they do share a sort of polar opposition, as Lucario's psychic abilities are natural whereas Mewtwo's are artificial, Lucario uses martial arts and Mewtwo uses mental strikes, etc.
However, as far as the game of Smash is concerned, it cannot be denied that Mewtwo's moveset was taken into consideration when Lucario was made. They have essentially the same standard and up b's, after all, as well as some standard attacks. However the similarities are not much, it's only true that Mewtwo was thought of when they were making Lucario for Smash.
Still I would have loved to have both in the game. They're such compatible rivals.