K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[StormC]

It's hard for me to get excited about a third Kong who would likely be very derivative of Diddy compared to K. Rool's glorious comeback with all of his personas accounted for, in addition to bringing another heavyweight and villain to the fold.

And this is coming from someone who had Dixie as one of my top five requests for Smash 4.

 

[Pureownege75]

Honestly, I'm totally ok with Dixie not being in the game. Yes, DK is underrepresented in Smash, but I feel Dixie would be hard to make a moveset for. Like, she has her hair that she can hit people with but.... what else? Most of Diddy's moveset comes from DK 64, a game Dixie didn't appear in. DK is a 3 character series, regardless of how much I adore the series. It 's about on par with Kirby. DK himself is one of the most iconic Nintendo characters, due to the original arcade game, but the series that followed isn't super big to the point that we should be discussing 4, or even 5 characters. Having the main character, the main side-kick, and the main antagonist is the perfect amount the series needs.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly, I'm totally ok with Dixie not being in the game. Yes, DK is underrepresented in Smash, but I feel Dixie would be hard to make a moveset for. Like, she has her hair that she can hit people with but.... what else? Most of Diddy's moveset comes from DK 64, a game Dixie didn't appear in. DK is a 3 character series, regardless of how much I adore the series. It 's about on par with Kirby. DK himself is one of the most iconic Nintendo characters, due to the original arcade game, but the series that followed isn't super big to the point that we should be discussing 4, or even 5 characters. Having the main character, the main side-kick, and the main antagonist is the perfect amount the series needs.

I guess bubblegum and her guitar could be implemented

 

[Pureownege75]

Sorry for posting that a second time, Smash boards was laggy and I thought it didn't post

I guess bubblegum and her guitar could be implemented

Pretty much exactly my point. Really gotta stretch to think of stuff for her. Those things were idol/Victory animations in her game. They really would be best as taunts or other miscellaneous animations

 

[cybersai]

I wouldn't mind if Dixie is a semi-clone similar to Wolf or Lucas. Dixie can have unique specials with her hair but be similar to Diddy with her normal attacks.

If Sakurai was already working on Dixie ala Lucas and maybe Wolf we could see both her and King K. Rool.

 

[StormC]

Dixie should definitely be added after K. Rool but the franchise doesn't hinge on her addition as much as K. Rool does.

Also DK is a bigger franchise than I feel you're giving it credit for, especially if Fire Emblem can get four characters. Four is perfect, five would be a bit much.

 

[cybersai]

I'm pretty sure Donkey Kong is the third or fourth biggest selling Nintendo franchise behind Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and/or Animal Crossing.

Unless you count the Mii's as part of the whole "Wii generation" games.

 

[RoseyBetch]

I want Dixie Kong, but not at the expense of K. Rool. They're both in my top five, but K. Rool is so far ahead of her in terms of my wants.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm pretty sure Donkey Kong is the third or fourth biggest selling Nintendo franchise behind Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and/or Animal Crossing.

Unless you count the Mii's as part of the whole "Wii generation" games.

1Mario
2Pokemon
3Wii
4Mario Kart
5Wii fit
6Zelda
7DK
Coincidentaly I looked it up recently

 

[Pureownege75]

I'm pretty sure Donkey Kong is the third or fourth biggest selling Nintendo franchise behind Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and/or Animal Crossing.

Unless you count the Mii's as part of the whole "Wii generation" games.

Yeah, probably due to the arcade games which were astronomical hits. But outside of those, the overall series isn't massive. As I said I'd put it around the Kirby level

 

[StormC]

Of the "Smash franchises," Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and Kirby are the top five.

Yeah, probably due to the arcade games which were astronomical hits. But outside of those, the overall series isn't massive. As I said I'd put it around the Kirby level

DKC1, DK64, and DKCR were all big successes as well.

EDIT: Add DKR to that too actually, it sold MORE than DK64.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'm pretty sure Donkey Kong is the third or fourth biggest selling Nintendo franchise behind Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and/or Animal Crossing.

Unless you count the Mii's as part of the whole "Wii generation" games.

TECHNICALLY we should count the "Wii games," but honestly, that series was a fad and is dead now. So yes, DK is the fourth-biggest series, and if they expand the series again and make more spinoffs, it will remain that way.


DK is MORE than big enough for four characters. The only reason many don't see it that way right now is because the buyout years are still weighing in on us. People say K. Rool hasn't appeared recently... but "recently" consists of a grand total of... TWO games. Compared to the 15 or so K. Rool has already appeared in, 10 of which he was the main antagonist. And he was planned for at LEAST one more game (Diddy Kong Pilot).

1Mario
2Pokemon
3Wii
4Mario Kart
5Wii fit
6Zelda
7DK
Coincidentaly I looked it up recently

Mario Kart is a spinoff of Mario, Wii Fit a spinoff of the Wii series. You count the entire extended series. And again, although technically the "Wii" games shot ahead of Zelda and DK, they're dead now because it was a fad.

Yeah, probably due to the arcade games which were astronomical hits. But outside of those, the overall series isn't massive. As I said I'd put it around the Kirby level

DK has 20m more sales than Kirby. All of the DKC, and DK64, have sold more than 3m each, with Returns at 6m and DKC at 9m. (TF is the only exception as its only so far topped 1m, on the weakest Nintendo home console).


I agree its not in the top 3, but it is in the top 5.

 

[cybersai]

1Mario
2Pokemon
3Wii
4Mario Kart
5Wii fit
6Zelda
7DK
Coincidentaly I looked it up recently

Well if you count all the Mario games as one, and the Wii Sports/Fit stuff together, then I was right.

Donkey Kong is the fourth best selling franchise behind Mario, Pokemon and Zelda....not counting the Wii/Mii generation stuff.

 

[StormC]

Pretty much exactly my point. Really gotta stretch to think of stuff for her. Those things were idol/Victory animations in her game. They really would be best as taunts or other miscellaneous animations

She actually does have a bubblegum gun in Tropical Freeze.

 

[Pureownege75]

So DKC did much better financially than I thought lol. Heck, I'm not saying I DON'T want more characters, I just think we should focus on K. Rool first, and maybe Dixie later. Yes, we COULD get both, but I really don't wanna chance it. The DLC ball game is much more different than the standard game, we've probably only got like 6 slots here, and two of them are taken by Lucas and Mewtwo, and one of them is VERY likely to be Wolf. Dixie probably would just end up in a similar situation to Lucas, with similar specials but different standard moves, which isn't that interesting. I feel Sakurai wants to give us variety, and kinda doubt that he'd put two characters from the same franchise as DLC. But that's just my opinion, you can't predict this man. But if we JUST get Dixie and no K. Rool, I'll be beyond pissed

 

[StormC]

I'm not worried that Dixie will somehow usurp K. Rool. Iwata addressed that Lucas was added purely because of fan requests (he was the most requested DLC character in Japan). There is no way people could mistake that K. Rool has MUCH more fan support than not only Dixie, but ANY other newcomer.

 

[cybersai]

I'm not worried that Dixie will somehow usurp K. Rool. Iwata addressed that Lucas was added purely because of fan requests (he was the most requested DLC character in Japan). There is no way people could mistake that K. Rool has MUCH more fan support than not only Dixie, but ANY other newcomer.

Its possible Dixie was already being worked on like Lucas or Wolf, so it wouldn't affect the poll either way. There were a lot of rumors of a "moving Dixie model" from people who also mentioned Ridley and the Chorus Kids.

Since Dixie isn't an Assist trophy and only has that one trophy in the game, it had to be from something

 

[JaidynReiman]

So DKC did much better financially than I thought lol. Heck, I'm not saying I DON'T want more characters, I just think we should focus on K. Rool first, and maybe Dixie later. Yes, we COULD get both, but I really don't wanna chance it. The DLC ball game is much more different than the standard game, we've probably only got like 6 slots here, and two of them are taken by Lucas and Mewtwo, and one of them is VERY likely to be Wolf. Dixie probably would just end up in a similar situation to Lucas, with similar specials but different standard moves, which isn't that interesting. I feel Sakurai wants to give us variety, and kinda doubt that he'd put two characters from the same franchise as DLC. But that's just my opinion, you can't predict this man. But if we JUST get Dixie and no K. Rool, I'll be beyond pissed

Oh yeah, totally. I'd much rather get one than not get either. And if it has to be one, K. Rool.


That said DKC is extremely popular.



I will throw one vote Dixie's way later. Maybe if we get 5-6 DLC newcomers (Wolf being one of them of course), we could get both, but I'm still iffy on it.

 

[StormC]

Its possible Dixie was already being worked on like Lucas or Wolf, so it wouldn't affect the poll either way. There were a lot of rumors of a "moving Dixie model" from people who also mentioned Ridley and the Chorus Kids.

Since Dixie isn't an Assist trophy and only has that one trophy in the game, it had to be from something

We still have no idea how full of it that guy was. I wouldn't put a lot of stock into it.

 

[SmashChu]

I want Dixie Kong, but not at the expense of K. Rool. They're both in my top five, but K. Rool is so far ahead of her in terms of my wants.

The trend among DK fans seems to be that if you want one, you still want the other. I'm more of a Dixie fan, but I would still be very happy to have K Rool. I feel a lot of the people her prefer K. Rool but wouldn't gawk at the inclusion of Dixie.

Hopefully K Rool gets in. He's a character that is so integral to the series but has been forgotten. Might vote for K Rool as he's more of a comeback than Dixie. I think a lot of people would be excited to see him.

Also, posting this again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG8jBpNvRCE

 

[Pureownege75]

Its possible Dixie was already being worked on like Lucas or Wolf, so it wouldn't affect the poll either way. There were a lot of rumors of a "moving Dixie model" from people who also mentioned Ridley and the Chorus Kids.

Since Dixie isn't an Assist trophy and only has that one trophy in the game, it had to be from something

Maybe it was just a concept for a Diddy Alt.? I still wouldn't really put too much faith into that. I think the only character that is being worked on right now that we don't know about is Wolf, who will come out in August or so. Everyone else will come from the results of the poll

 

[SmashJC]

Dixie was planned for brawl, as you may know.

 

[New_Dumal]

Of the "Smash franchises," Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and Kirby are the top five.

DKC1, DK64, and DKCR were all big successes as well.
EDIT: Add DKR to that too actually, it sold MORE than DK64.

All classic DKCountry were a big sucess.
Donkey Kong Country Returns WAS HUGE (You can look, it's +7 million copies)
The only games that don't sell well was Tropical Freeze and the DS Games.
Even Donkey Konga and Jungle Beat were a hit in the GameCube scale.
Jungle Beat team became the developers of SMGalaxy, and many ideas and elements were used in Mario series after this.

So no... DK series is not in the same level with Kirby.
Kirby is nice, sell well, but DK is much bigger in any means.
It's on like Donkey Kong.
It's not a coincidence the Brawl sequence in the rows (Mario, Link, DK, Pikachu) , while I must accept that Pokemon is much bigger than DK. Sakurai maybe think is overated or is represented enough.
We have the chance now to prove him wrong.

 

[StormC]

I don't think beta stuff in Brawl factors into it a whole lot. Sakurai rebuilt Mewtwo from the ground up instead of reusing beta assets he had in Brawl.

All classic DKCountry were a big sucess.
Donkey Kong Country Returns WAS HUGE (You can look, it's +7 million copies)
The only games that don't sell well was Tropical Freeze and the DS Games.
Even Donkey Konga and Jungle Beat were a hit in the GameCube scale.
Jungle Beat team became the developers of SMGalaxy, and many ideas and elements were used in Mario series after this.

I was underselling it a bit as to not show my hand. I think Tropical Freeze actually has done almost as well proportionate to the Wii U than the bongo games did to the GameCube, but I'm not super sure.

 

[SmashJC]

@ StormC the only proof of mewtwo being planned as playable character in brawl is his name in a script, or somewhat.
Better i would like to see a kong without grace, without style, and a funny face.

 

[StormC]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Tropical Freeze did BETTER than Jungle Beat, in terms of scale.

Tropical Freeze recently passed a million sales, Wii U has 9.2 million sales.
Jungle Beat was slightly over a million sales (according to VGChartz... yeah, yeah, I know), GameCube sold 21 million units.

Man, I always forget how badly the GameCube did.

 

[SmashJC]

@ StormC What's about DK Jet race? It didn't sell well?

 

[StormC]

Yeah it bombed. http://www.vgchartz.com/game/6975/donkey-kong-barrel-blast/

Not sure how accurate that is, but I remember around its release that it was not doing well.

 

[New_Dumal]

DKC Tropical Freeze is such a fantastic game.
I know I'm being biased in one or other things because DK is my favorite series but...

DK is bigger than Kirby and Fire Emblem (Only Awaken awakened the franchise.).
Animal Crossing is a giant now too(considering the fame, the age of the franchise, and the sales).
I think we will receive a DK newcomer, Isaac and maybe a third party.

If AC fan base try hard, they maybe would win a character too.
The problem is that the best 2 options for Animal Crossing are in the game in some way (Isabelle and Tom Nook).
(I'm sorry I forgot the dat Waluigi lesson).

 

[Gumples]

So apparently over on a certain website (begins with '4') are doing a vote for their most requested character. K Rool is currently in the semi finals at the minute. I would link it, but hey it's not a place you want to go to really, but it's interesting in any case.

Think he is going against Paper Mario, shouldn't be a problem for the King.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So apparently over on a certain website (begins with '4') are doing a vote for their most requested character. K Rool is currently in the semi finals at the minute. I would link it, but hey it's not a place you want to go to really, but it's interesting in any case.

Think he is going against Paper Mario, shouldn't be a problem for the King.

Probably Banjo and you can link the strawpoll instead

 

[StormC]

At this point, I'm not sure I need any more polling to be convinced that K. Rool is going to grace the cover of the next issue of Time Magazine. I think the overwhelming amount of K. Rool support comes from not just being a deserving, popular character from a high-level series, but people, even those who don't play Donkey Kong, wanting all of the following:

-Heavyweights
-Villains
-Non-humanoids
-Creative movesets

Sakurai is gonna have to go out of his way to ignore the King at this point.

 

[Banjodorf]

DKC Tropical Freeze is such a fantastic game.
I know I'm being biased in one or other things because DK is my favorite series but...

DK is bigger than Kirby and Fire Emblem (Only Awaken awakened the franchise.).
Animal Crossing is a giant now too(considering the fame, the age of the franchise, and the sales).
I think we will receive a DK newcomer, Isaac and maybe a third party.

If AC fan base try hard, they maybe would win a character too.
The problem is that the best 2 options for Animal Crossing are in the game in some way (Isabelle and Tom Nook).
(I'm sorry I forgot the dat Waluigi lesson).

Yeah, Tropical Freeze felt like an actual DKC game, whereas Returns had the feel but not the soul.

It must be the David Wise effect (and the fantastic design choices. I honestly loved everything about TF except the lack of K. Rool, even if I still enjoyed the Snowmads. Freddy was just a K. Rool fanboy.

I also always find it funny when people say TF wasn't a sales success, because if it's passed a million it's already a success, and it's an even bigger success if the system it's on is not doing great, because relative.

Tropical Freeze is awesome, and was a sales success but is still massively underrated. Anyone who owns a Wii U should have it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What I see Sakurai doing
"I'd love to add King K.Rool in the game, but if only he was popular enough..."

At this point, I'm not sure I need any more polling to be convinced that K. Rool is going to grace the cover of the next issue of Time Magazine. I think the overwhelming amount of K. Rool support comes from not just being a deserving, popular character from a high-level series, but people, even those who don't play Donkey Kong, wanting all of the following:

-Heavyweights
-Villains
-Non-humanoids
-Creative movesets

Sakurai is gonna have to go out of his way to ignore the King at this point.

 

[Aygent]

Paper Mario is my most wanted, but I will gladly fight for the king. Excellent pick. Limitless moves sets. ENDLESS STYLE. His kit could be the first of its kind. A super heavyweight that can do well with projectiles and hit hard on the ground.

 

[N3ON]

Well I was going to vote for Banjo but now I guess I'll vote for K. Rool.

 

[Starlight_Lily]

DKC Tropical Freeze is such a fantastic game.
I know I'm being biased in one or other things because DK is my favorite series but...

DK is bigger than Kirby and Fire Emblem (Only Awaken awakened the franchise.).
Animal Crossing is a giant now too(considering the fame, the age of the franchise, and the sales).
I think we will receive a DK newcomer, Isaac and maybe a third party.

If AC fan base try hard, they maybe would win a character too.
The problem is that the best 2 options for Animal Crossing are in the game in some way (Isabelle and Tom Nook).
(I'm sorry I forgot the dat Waluigi lesson).

I'm sorry but saying DKC is bigger then Kirby is wrong, in terms of popularity I'm pretty sure Kirby comes after Mario/Zelda/Pokemon. And there was a reason he was shown alongside Mario, Link and Pikachu in the first Brawl trailer.

And thing is after Rare was bought out by Microsoft, the Donkey Kong series seemed to go from genre to genre to find its footing, where as between that time Fire Emblem got revived and Kirby moved as normal.

Yeah Donkey Kong Country is probably more popular then Fire Emblem, but Kirby, I highly doubt it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm sorry but saying DKC is bigger then Kirby is wrong, in terms of popularity I'm pretty sure Kirby comes after Mario/Zelda/Pokemon. And there was a reason he was shown alongside Mario, Link and Pikachu in the first Brawl trailer.

And thing is after Rare was bought out by Microsoft, the Donkey Kong series seemed to go from genre to genre to find its footing, where as between that time Fire Emblem got revived and Kirby moved as normal.

Yeah Donkey Kong Country is probably more popular then Fire Emblem, but Kirby, I highly doubt it.

Huge Kirby fangirl here, but Kirby doesn't sell as well as DK, DK is Nintendo's 7th best selling franchise with Kirby being 8

 

[Starlight_Lily]

Huge Kirby fangirl here, but Kirby doesn't sell as well as DK, DK is Nintendo's 7th best selling franchise with Kirby being 8

I was talking more in terms in popularity and appeal, but I'm not sure you can really determine which is more popular, pretty much everyone who knows Kirby knows Donkey Kong, and vice versa.

 

[StormC]

Maybe in Japan, where Kirby is disproportionately more popular than anything not Mario or Pokemon, but definitely not on an international scale.

I was talking more in terms in popularity and appeal

Which can be measured pretty accurately with game sales, of which DK has more than 20 million more.