Ivysaur

[Masonomace]

All 3 Starters was in X & Y. There Popular.

Definitely, their Mega Evolutions further prove that.
But even when they have their own games' high relevancy to remain noticed, their game-play-styles "rust" & become overshadowed as likely cuts apparently failing to be returning fighters in Sm4sh. It's also the variable of speculation when Squirtle is outright removed from the equation due to X&Y's Greninja, who just happens to be a Water Starter pokemon. Ivysaur atm looks to be the only chance, which is depressing.

 

[Skyfox2000]

Definitely, their Mega Evolutions further prove that.
But even when they have their own games' high relevancy to remain noticed, their game-play-styles "rust" & become overshadowed as likely cuts apparently failing to be returning fighters in Sm4sh. It's also the variable of speculation when Squirtle is outright removed from the equation due to X&Y's Greninja, who just happens to be a Water Starter pokemon. Ivysaur atm looks to be the only chance, which is depressing.

Yeah!! Greninja does hurt Squirtle's Chances!

 

[Masonomace]

Yeah!! Greninja does hurt Squirtle's Chances!

From a speculation standpoint, & competition with each other within the same franchise Universe, it dents Squirtle's chances a lot. He's basically DLC or nothing at all, other than other options. Speaking Of! I did this in a similar thread, try it out Skyfox.

Re-posting here because why not, I wanna ask anyone's open opinion on how'd they feel with the 4 possible scenarios for Sceptile's Ivysaur's destiny in SSB4:

1. De-confirmed in total, not shown off, representing the character as an idea AT ALL, non-existent 100%. Thoughts?
2. Pokeball summon. How would you feel & what would you like to see a Sceptile Ivysaur do once it appears? Discuss please.
3. DLC becoming confirmed. DLC is still not pushed or hinted at all, to my decent knowledge of it, but how would you feel?
4. Playable Status. Last & the best-case scenario, I almost don't even need to ask you about this because I wanted to have a 4th scenario for display. But if you feel like expressing a subjective or an objective post, please do so, there's never too much.

Also to anyone who wants to fill in what makes Sceptile's Ivysaur's chances more solid, example is the post I typed above.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I hope they don't get the Pokeball status!

 

[leekslap]

It's like you want to start a brouhaha with me. You serious?
Ivy's voice in Japan is feminine. But It's masculine in the West. , , & are predominately male in the pokemon games, yes, most starters are, but not because of video game logic, is a pokemon in a cross-over called Super Smash Brothers., automatically makes a pokemon male. Second if you read this source. . .
http://projectmgame.com/en/characters/ivysaur

I say Ivysaur is female in Brawl because that's my subjective opinion when after I play Project M. After reading through a famitsu article about confirmation of the genders from Pokemon Trainer's 3 pokemon , , & , they confirmed both & were male. While going on to say was confirmed female.
Your welcome. Thanks for Posting, fest.

That said, she probably won't. It's a slim chance, & most likely will be a DLC option if DLC makes its way.

You misunderstood. By MEGA FAAAAILLL! I meant that anyone who ever thought Ivysaur was female was wrong, including the PMBR. I mean that in the nicest way, you actually had to know about plants to know what a male plant and a female plant looks like. Unless plant genders are reversed in pokemon, Ivysaur is a male. Period. Plus it makes more sense for Squirtle to be female but I don't know turtles lol

 

[Masonomace]

You misunderstood. By MEGA FAAAAILLL! I meant that anyone who ever thought Ivysaur was female was wrong, including the PMBR. I mean that in the nicest way, you actually had to know about plants to know what a male plant and a female plant looks like. Unless plant genders are reversed in pokemon, Ivysaur is a male. Period. Plus it makes more sense for Squirtle to be female but I don't know turtles lol

There's no misunderstanding when your previous post expressed expletive remarks, showing Impropriety to me. Whoever 'thought' Ivysaur was female in Project M or Brawl, may be wrong according to real evidence of plant species human kind, but PMBR, like Sakurai, do not care, making her female. When Sakurai, the game developer says it is a she, I'm going to believe the god of Smash, not someone who showed bad manners through posting claiming Ivysaur is male based off real plant origins to our world, or in the Pokemon games, despite through your 'nicest' way. I will say I know very little about plants, & in the pokemon games the bulb does appears to make Ivysaur look male, but Sakurai developing the character, may just not care? Knowing little about Ivysaur's pokedex entry & very little about gender characteristics. It's still Smash Brothers to me, when all the games & most importantly Sakurai & PMBR confirm his gender, despite not the way it seems, it's still 100% confirmation. Ivysaur, in Smash Brothers., is female.

If you have a problem with it, either deny the lie & call it a male, or just stick with your own preference, like most people have.

 

[leekslap]

There's no misunderstanding when your previous post expressed expletive remarks, showing Impropriety to me. Whoever 'thought' Ivysaur was female in Project M or Brawl, may be wrong according to real evidence of plant species human kind, but PMBR, like Sakurai, do not care, making her female. When Sakurai, the game developer says it is a she, I'm going to believe the god of Smash, not someone who showed bad manners through posting claiming Ivysaur is male based off real plant origins to our world, or in the Pokemon games, despite through your 'nicest' way. I will say I know very little about plants, & in the pokemon games the bulb does appears to make Ivysaur look male, but Sakurai developing the character, may just not care? Knowing little about Ivysaur's pokedex entry & very little about gender characteristics. It's still Smash Brothers to me, when all the games & most importantly Sakurai & PMBR confirm his gender, despite not the way it seems, it's still 100% confirmation. Ivysaur, in Smash Brothers., is female.

If you have a problem with it, either deny the lie & call it a male, or just stick with your own preference, like most people have.

So your answer is that you don't care... *sigh* ( not trying to make a big deal but #1 why things go wrong in the world: ignorance )
I don't have a problem it was just a little fun fact that I thought was funny because some people thought calling Ivysaur a male was sexist and I couldn't believe it slipped by so many people. It really isn't a big deal and we have already made the amount of posts for arguing an MU like I'm science and you are religon. Please don't answer back its getting old.

 

[Masonomace]

So your answer is that you don't care... *sigh* ( not trying to make a big deal but #1 why things go wrong in the world: ignorance )
I don't have a problem it was just a little fun fact that I thought was funny because some people thought calling Ivysaur a male was sexist and I couldn't believe it slipped by so many people. It really isn't a big deal and we have already made the amount of posts for arguing an MU like I'm science and you are religon. Please don't answer back its getting old.

I never stated in any of my posts that I don't care, though that may be how I came off as. I said I'll believe the creator of Smash Brothers & the developers of Project M being the PMBR, who identifies Ivy as female.
Your first impression via your first post quoting me did not bode well, perhaps I took it too far & made our posts into an altercation, so apologies. Yet your remark of me needing to learn something, being funny to you as nothing more than a fun fact, was slightly unnecessary. Take it how you want.

That said what are your thoughts on Ivysaur being a pokeball summon in Sm4sh?

 

[GunGunW]

I would definitely prefer Ivysaur than Squirtle to come back if there was only gonna be one.

 

[Pokechu]

From a speculation standpoint, & competition with each other within the same franchise Universe, it dents Squirtle's chances a lot. He's basically DLC or nothing at all, other than other options.

I don't think that's true, because Greninja wasn't added because he was a water type, but because he was a unique Pokemon that had potential, and Sakurai happened to like him.

And making Ivysaur and Charizard come back, but not Squirtle, is wrong. :u

 

[Masonomace]

I don't think that's true, because Greninja wasn't added because he was a water type, but because he was a unique Pokemon that had potential, and Sakurai happened to like him.

And making Ivysaur and Charizard come back, but not Squirtle, is wrong. :u

Other than Greninja being a Ninja like , he's got unique game-play down, promotion, & even grants some Pokemon game fans justice for a Dark move being Night Slash for his FS. But from going off of 2 major things said so far, it doesn't bode well for Squirtle anyway, which is depressing because his & Ivysaur's entire meta-game was so much fun. I still don't think Ivysaur will return, it's wishful thinking atm.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

I'm still not counting Ivysaur or Squirtle out just yet.

Being the least popular starter element (grass) and the least popular evolution stage (middle), it's amazing that Ivysaur ever got into Smash in the first place. But as Jigglypuff, Ness, and Ice Climbers have shown, once a character is in Smash, he or she is always relevant to Smash. Ivysaur still has a decent shot.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I'm still not counting Ivysaur or Squirtle out just yet.

Being the least popular starter element (grass) and the least popular evolution stage (middle), it's amazing that Ivysaur ever got into Smash in the first place. But as Jigglypuff, Ness, and Ice Climbers have shown, once a character is in Smash, he or she is always relevant to Smash. Ivysaur still has a decent shot.

Ivysaur got in because of pokemon trainer, that's it. But now that that gimmick is gone there's no real reason for him to stick around anymore

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

Ivysaur got in because of pokemon trainer, that's it. But now that that gimmick is gone there's no real reason for him to stick around anymore

Zelda's move-swap gimmick is also gone, but Sheik remains. If Sakurai likes Ivysaur and Squirtle enough and thinks he has the time to include them in this game, they'll be back.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

Zelda's move-swap gimmick is also gone, but Sheik remains. If Sakurai likes Ivysaur and Squirtle enough and thinks he has the time to include them in this game, they'll be back.

The difference is that sheik holds her own as a standalone character, she has popularity to back her up as well as being one of the characters that has made the transition from melee to brawl. Ivysaur has none of these things

 

[Tyfly55]

i mained ivysaur in project m now he most likely not be in SSB4 makes me sad :'(

 

[Masonomace]

Ivysaur is noted to have one of thee best-unique entire move-sets in Brawl, so much so Ivysaur was compared as a poor-man's version to Olimar, who was in Brawl & now in Sm4sh. Ivysaur couldn't hold her own in Brawl because of unbalanced mechanics with Tethering, & 3 horrible negative mechanics: Fatigue, Stamina Value, & Type Effectiveness, ofc being grass she gets scraped by Fire, which is used by more than HALF of Brawl's cast. All it takes is to lose all three of those built-in PT mechanics, & she could hold her own to anyone.

 

[Arthreeteseven]

I would definitely prefer Ivysaur than Squirtle to come back if there was only gonna be one.

Absolutely, I'm still holding out for him being playable, either as himself or Venusaur

 

[Johnknight1]

The difference is that sheik holds her own as a standalone character, she has popularity to back her up as well as being one of the characters that has made the transition from melee to brawl. Ivysaur has none of these things

Samus confirmed for cut due to being underpowered in Brawl and over-relying on Zero Suit Samus.

 

[FKA Donnie]

I main Ivysaur in Project M, I'd love to see him in the official game but I'm not holding out hope haha.

This is completely out there, but I'd love to see Venusaur instead with Mega Venusaur as a final smash!

 

[Masonomace]

I main Ivysaur in Project M, I'd love to see him in the official game but I'm not holding out hope haha.

This is completely out there, but I'd love to see Venusaur instead with Mega Venusaur as a final smash!

Makes sense, MEvo promotion & all that plus it'd be cool to see a quadruped played like a heavy-weight in Smash. I main Ivy in Project M too, so I share your exact feelings.

Also I'm a day late, but Welcome to Smashboards.

 

[Lady Byakugan]

Ivy has very low chances , even lessthan squirtle

 

[cmbsfm]

Ivy has very low chances , even lessthan squirtle

less than squirtle? There is already a water type in smash, that itself brings squrtile's chances down. There is no announced grass type character, so Ivy has a better chance than squrtile, though sadly not by that much.

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Ivysaur was one of my favorite characters in Brawl. It's a SHAME if he does not appear as a DLC character!

 

[Ganonthegreat]

Ivysaur just appeared as a trophy in Gema's stream, he's dead.

 

[Hot Uncle Sparky]

An Ivysaur trophy showed up on Gema Yue's Twitch.

'd by like a second

RIP Ivysaur
Sadly, Squirtle will have the same luck I think...

Yup, he did, we already saw a Squirtle trophy.

 

[KingZing]

RIP Ivysaur

Sadly, Squirtle will have the same luck I think...

 

[MagnesD3]

I know you guys still want ivysaur why don't you come join the fight for him to return as dlc!!!

http://smashboards.com/threads/to-all-those-who-want-their-vets-as-dlc.367246/


Your dual petition is up https://www.change.org/p/masahiro-s...-to-super-smash-brothers-wii-u-and-3ds-as-dlc

 

[Kevandre]

Please based Sakurai. So long as you're bringing back cut Pokemon veterans, at least bring back the best one. Or give me something comparable.

I have highly misguided hope in you.

 

[Masonomace]

Even with the huge hype news of Mewtwo returning via DLC, I'm riding on a pessimistic train ride of belief for my favorite pokemon character I've made my Primary for Brawl & Project M, so. . .

I'll hold out hope I guess.

 

[Lilfut]

Time to necro this. I made a thread for Venusaur (who I would personally kind of prefer), but this seems like a better place to discuss it, because Venusaur would just be a chuftier Ivysaur anyway.

The thing is, Ivy/Venusaur would actually need two new special moves - a new down special, since there's no longer switching, and a new up special, since tether recoveries are gone. Earthquake is a shoo-in for the down special, but I genuinely have no idea what the new up special would be - maybe Petal Blizzard, functioning like DK's uspec? Any ideas here?

 

[Kevandre]

I would honestly say take a note out of Project M's Ivysaur.

Solarbeam neutral B, seed bomb down B...

And as much as I love Ivy's vine whip, I understand that it wouldn't return, even if that means a nerf like Olimar got...

Not sure what the new up special would be. Maybe just a more lifting version of the DAir...

 

[Lilfut]

Eh, I think it's best to assume they won't emulate Project M Ivysaur too much. It's not out of the question, but they'll probably do their own thing. Seed Bomb is actually a possibility (though it probably wouldn't function exactly the same), but Synthesis/Solar Beam might actually have some troubling legal implications since it was such a totally new idea on the part of the PM team.
Plus, I kinda liked Bullet Seed, with a bit of a buff it could create an interesting dynamic where getting above Ivysaur means taking huge amounts of damage. Smart players might even do things like staying on the bottom platform of Battlefield and keeping opponents from using most of the space for fear of a Bullet Seed.

 

[Kevandre]

Bullet seed isn't bad but I never found it incredibly useful. Would the PM guys care if Sakurai actually took their ideas to heart? The Synthesis/Solarbeam thing was pure genius imo. It'll be hard to play Brawl Ivy again after that.

 

[Putuk]

Ivysaur was the best of the Pokémon Trainers Pokémon and Charizard is an overhyped salamander of marketing and edgyness.
There, I said it.

While Ivysaurs chances to return are next to none, it's a character and playstyle I've enjoyed a lot. It'll be missed.

I AM horribly biased torwards Poison type though. They're the BEST!

 

[Lilfut]

The Project M guys probably wouldn't care, but blatantly ripping off a mod that you aren't even allowed to talk about on Miiverse like that is a can of worms I seriously doubt Sakurai wants to open.
Solar Beam is a very good candidate for a Final Smash if they don't evolve her into Venusaur, however.

 

[Putuk]

The Project M guys probably wouldn't care, but blatantly ripping off a mod that you aren't even allowed to talk about on Miiverse like that is a can of worms I seriously doubt Sakurai wants to open.
Solar Beam is a very good candidate for a Final Smash if they don't evolve her into Venusaur, however.

Ivysaurs a girl? I never knew!

Then again, for all we know, Greninja and Charizard could also be female.

 

[Lilfut]

Her Japanese VA is female, and if you rotate the camera the seed inside her bud is yellow, which is the female gender difference for Venusaur. I think I read somewhere the Japanese Dojo refers to her as female, also.

 

[Appdude]

Imagine getting all the cut pokemon back!


That would be cool! 9 Pokemon for us to use.

um...let's replace pichu with something cooler....like groudon or something.

 

[PMMikey]

Ivy was my project m main and I love the spacing style of her. I've placed my ballot hopefully you have too!