Data FINAL: Confirmed 1.0.6 Patch Notes

[kataridragon]

They could have just nerfed b throw. But they went full tilt and damage nerfed a bunch of his attacks. Sheik got like a bair nerf.... thats it.

They could have at least fixed BSBS Damnit!

Diddy and Sonic got the hammer.

 

[Yunior597]

Homing attack now has less recovery frames on shield.

We can now do any aerial after the move hits on block, we couldnt do that atleast its a buff.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

They could have just nerfed b throw. But they went full tilt and damage nerfed a bunch of his attacks. Sheik got like a bair nerf.... thats it.

Don't forget buffs to up B and BGF knockback!

Homing attack now has less recovery frames on shield.

We can now do any aerial after the move hits on block, we couldnt do that atleast its a buff.

Seems the same to me, but I can't test it on shield properly because.. 3DS.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

All of Sonic's jabs, tilts, Smashes, and aerials are active on the same frames they were before. I don't believe our frame data was hit, including first hit and active durations. Highly doubt our damageboxes were touched as well.

 

[kataridragon]

Homing attack now has less recovery frames on shield.

We can now do any aerial after the move hits on block, we couldnt do that atleast its a buff.

That would be nice. I would be happy for something.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Still feels like bair got sped up could just be placebo....but idk sonic just feels weird now now in an absolute garbage way though

 

[Yunior597]

what were the changes to up b and ?BGF? what is BGF?

 

[Sonic Orochi]

what were the changes to up b and ?BGF? what is BGF?

Sheik's. They kill earlier now. BGF is short for Bouncing GayFish.

 

[kataridragon]

*Face Palm*

Im just so happy that now I will have an even harder time against sheik and the new high tiers. YAY!

Although Im still feeling like something changed in the spins for more guaranteed follow ups.

 

[Camalange]

Before we all wet ourselves, let's count our blessings too…

I think we mainly got nerfs where they were expected. It's annoying, yes, but all feels rather manageable so far. We lived with far worse in the past. This will only sift out the fake hedgehogs.

My question is this… Can we still Spinshot out of Side-B with C-Stick if it's set to "Tilt" instead of "Smash"?

 

[J.APS]

I need to know:
HA still lock objects/projectiles? still miss if the opponent is invincible? (dodge/airdodge/ledge grab)
Spinshot still works with A?
Dair spike has some changes?
@ Sonic Orochi ,still works that...platform cancel/Dair cancel? (short update, before this update, you can do it with down stick + A in normal 3ds)

 

[Sonic Orochi]

I need to know:
HA still lock objects/projectiles? still miss if the opponent is invincible? (dodge/airdodge/ledge grab)
Spinshot still works with A?
Dair spike has some changes?
@ Sonic Orochi ,still works that...platform cancel/Dair cancel? (short update, before this update, you can do it with down stick + A in normal 3ds)

omfg HA not locking on to Villager's tree and rocket anymore. Can't really test the dodge one though I don't see a reason for that to change.
SS is untouched (I will update with that information).
Dair spike also seems untouched.
Works on the 3DS. Dunno on Wii U (yet).

 

[Espy Rose]

Sheik MU is still going to be annoying, but at least she can't bair KO us anymore.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Yeah, HA not locking on to Pikmin either. Seems like it's fixed now.

 

[J.APS]

cool, the range of HA has some changes?
About the dodge is because when the opponent dodge, the HA doesn't lock'em. I need to know if the HA will lock the opponent but not hiting or just don't lock'em

 

[Camalange]

um

If that's true then I'm pretty okay with this patch.

 

[HeroMystic]

Sonic is still good, if not amazing. I may pick him up as a second now. I always wanted more of Brawl Sonic.

 

[Pap]

After seeing and hearing nothing but "Sonic is awful again" I'm happy to see some confirmations. Definitely gonna keep an eye on this in case any hidden stuff pops up.

 

[Moises301]

B R A W L B O Y S WE BACK

 

[Gidy]

What essentially happened to him besides back throw no longer a kill grab?

Edit: Don't know abbreviations

 

[Superbat]

A D A P T. Don't really have much to add to this discussion. We'll just A D A P T. We are still top 10 lol. Still fun to play as him. @ cyberman6 Cyberman65? Love your vids man. World is a small place

 

[Cyberman6]

No! You could do spinshot with side b > C stick left or right. This is no longer possible. I guarantee it.

GUARANTEE IT!

This is exactly how i did spin shots. I know im doing it right because i can still do it with down b in the air.

Trust me Cam I know what Im talkin bout.

I think it has to do with the change to c-stick and no longer being able to do tilts with it.

Bleh, going to have to get used to doing it with down-b, always used side-b to do it.

Now I can't do spinshot on the ground.

 

[Camalange]

Bleh, going to have to get used to doing it with down-b, always used side-b to do it.

Now I can't do spinshot on the ground.

Yes you can, just not with C-Stick.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

cool, the range of HA has some changes?
About the dodge is because when the opponent dodge, the HA doesn't lock'em. I need to know if the HA will lock the opponent but not hiting or just don't lock'em

Can't really c/d this 'cause I never tested its range before lol (in sm4sh)

What essentially happened to him besides back throw no longer a kill grab?

Edit: Don't know abbreviations

Dude, just go read the FAQ for the abbreviations acronyms.

Forgot to edit the above post, my b.

If you have A+B Smash activated, charging SD and pressing A before a ISDJ or VSDJ is possible (ie: you mess up the timing), the SD will be released even if you're still holding B.

VSCJ is 3% as well (I assumed it was 6% before the patch, but I'm not sure).

 

[Myst_R]

So is the first page edited with the confirmed changes ? By the way, is there any confirmed changes at all ? I guess the KB reduction on the Bthrow has been proven along with the spins damage nerf

 

[Camalange]

If you have A+B Smash activated, charging SD and pressing A before a ISDJ or VSDJ is possible (ie: you mess up the timing), the SD will be released even if you're still holding B.

I've been reading up on this new feature online myself, but riddle me this…

The new A+B Smash feature can be turned off. I think this is what is messing with the Spinshot C-Stick input.
Can someone try turning off that feature and doing a Side-B Spinshot with C-Stick down?

 

[jordanm43444]

I can slightly confirm the HA buff. Tried on Olimar and Links bombs nothing was honed in on.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Who are all these people? Fakers.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

I've been reading up on this new feature online myself, but riddle me this…

The new A+B Smash feature can be turned off. I think this is what is messing with the Spinshot C-Stick input.
Can someone try turning off that feature and doing a Side-B Spinshot with C-Stick down?

Only on 3DS atm, so.. waiting for someone else to c/d, although I don't think it will make any difference..

 

[Myst_R]

I've been reading up on this new feature online myself, but riddle me this…

The new A+B Smash feature can be turned off. I think this is what is messing with the Spinshot C-Stick input.
Can someone try turning off that feature and doing a Side-B Spinshot with C-Stick down?

Is there a precise timing to get with the C stick ?

 

[Camalange]

Only on 3DS atm, so.. waiting for someone else to c/d, although I don't think it will make any difference..

Really? Damn. This is why I hate not having access to the game rn.

Is there a precise timing to get with th C stick ?

No, it's just that now you can't Side-B Spinshot with C-Stick at all anymore.

 

[JamesUK7]

I've been reading up on this new feature online myself, but riddle me this…

The new A+B Smash feature can be turned off. I think this is what is messing with the Spinshot C-Stick input.
Can someone try turning off that feature and doing a Side-B Spinshot with C-Stick down?

I just tried it and I couldn't get it to work, I can only get Side-B Spinshot working with A... Dunno if anyone else can do it.

 

[Myst_R]

Really? Damn. This is why I hate not having access to the game rn.

No, it's just that now you can't Side-B Spinshot with C-Stick at all anymore.

I am trying to spinshot out of SD with C-stick down and "A+B=Smash" off and I can not succeed to pull it out.

Also, I can NOT manage to tilt with the C-stick even when "A+B=smash" is off. So it might mean that the reason why the C-stick Spinshot out of SD doesn't work anymore comes from the change in the C-stick mechanic itself.

Waiting for someone to confirm my words, but I am more pessimistic about the C-stick SS out of SD

EDIT : My test was done with Smash on C-stick I'm gonna try with Tilts !

EDIT 2 : I've managed to make a spinshot out of a SD, aerial and grounded, with Tilts on C-stick BUT, it seems there is a timing to respect now ! So, I guess that if we get the good timing, it would be possible to do it even with Smash on C-stick

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Can anyone confirm Whether bair got sped up?

 

[kataridragon]

I read that you can no longer do tilts with the c stick either. I think you could hold forward and then press the c stick in the same direction for a tilt.

Edit: Kinda Greninja'd

 

[Myst_R]

Ok, I can confirm that it is possible to spinshot out of SD with C-stick, grounded and aerial, in every configuration (C-stick with smash or Tilt, A+B=Smash on and off) but THERE IS A TIMING TO RESPECT !

EDIT : My bad, I can not pull out a SS with Smash on C-stick. But it does not mean it is impossible to do

 

[Syndralix]

Ok, I can confirm that it is possible to spinshot out of SD with C-stick, grounded and aerial, in every configuration (C-stick with smash or Tilt, A+B=Smash on and off) but THERE IS A TIMING TO RESPECT !

I'm backing this confirmation up so people know it isn't an isolated case. We can still spinshot, everyone! =D

 

[Cyberman6]

Can anyone confirm Whether bair got sped up?

I don't really see a difference in this Link. Left is new patch, right is old

 

[Myst_R]

I'm backing this confirmation up so people know it isn't an isolated case. We can still spinshot, everyone! =D

Wait !!!!! I've made a mistake in my profile !!!!!!

I thought I pulled out a spinshot with Smash on C-stick whereas actually it was Tilt activated.

I am trying with Smash on C right now and I can't find the right timing. I can not say it is impossible to spinshot with Smash on C-stick, but I must correct my previous message, I can not confirm SS with Smash on C-stick.

What I said about A+B=Smash and Tilt on C-stick remain unchanged : it is clearly possible to SS with C-stick

Really sorry for my mistake :/

 

[Syndralix]

Wait !!!!! I've made a mistake in my profile !!!!!!

I thought I pulled out a spinshot with Smash on C-stick whereas actually it was Tilt activated.

I am trying with Smash on C right now and I can't find the right timing. I can not say it is impossible to spinshot with Smash on C-stick, but I must correct my previous message, I can not confirm SS with Smash on C-stick.

What I said about A+B=Smash and Tilt on C-stick remain unchanged : it is clearly possible to SS with C-stick

Really sorry for my mistake :/

It's alright, this patch has been out for less than 24 hours. We're bound to make mistakes in our excitement. =/

But yes, you can still spinshot with the C-stick if you set it to do tilts. As long as we have that, I'd say we're still in a good spot overall. Certainly better than what Diddy Kong got. =)