Fact 54 - Mewtwo Is On The Way [Social/General Discussion]

[Masonomace]

That'd be why I mentioned the spoon for Mewtwo's melee attacks, yeah~

We're all a go then! Mewtwo train let's ride with our tweak ideas! We can all be the father when the changes are announced.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

You know...I've come to realize we're kind of like the little minions that are loyal and go on and on about our Master's return...but when he finally does return, we all celebrate the mass destruction he will bring upon the Smash Universe....
Kind of evil, don't you think?

 

[Eisendrachen]

You know...I've come to realize we're kind of like the little minions that are loyal and go on and on about our Master's return...but when he finally does return, we all celebrate the mass destruction he will bring upon the Smash Universe....
Kind of evil, don't you think?

Speak for yourself. I'm trying to revive my minion here.

 

[LIQUID12A]

You know...I've come to realize we're kind of like the little minions that are loyal and go on and on about our Master's return...but when he finally does return, we all celebrate the mass destruction he will bring upon the Smash Universe....
Kind of evil, don't you think?

People are worshiping Ridley, so we're on a good note.

 

[Hong]

I am happy to see this has become civil again. Keep it that way.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Are you trying to make me pitty Lucario? Because I would of been sad to not see Lucario return, Lucario is very relevant to Pokemon to this day. He's the very first pokemon to Mega Evolve in the series and he's stupidly powerful like Mewtwo. (He's also my favorite Fighting type) I want both Lucario AND Mewtwo.

No.

Just supporting your point of fans being unpleasable.

 

[Masonomace]

Btw the weapon-sized battle spoon is Manga-exclusive only? As far as Mewtwo in anything that's media that is canon?

I'm still for the idea of a gigantic spoon so he can whack the Pokeball Alakazam summon & all, including using it on the Sm4sh cast. Just wondering how high of a chance that Spoon implementation has.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Hm. It's been a while since I've popped in here.

I'm of the opinion that relevancy=/=recency. Jiggs hasn't had much in recent years, but is apparently still an iconic pokemon for reasons. But if you're looking to X/Y for which pokemon deserve to stay in, Well, someone needs to fill out that new-fangled Fairy Type.

Also, is there a reason we can't have both? Pokemon is a franchise with literally hundreds of characters to choose from, I think they can afford being a little bloated in representation.

 

[Winchester7314]

I am happy to see this has become civil again. Keep it that way.

I'm sorry, but what is up with your sig? HAHAHA

 

[Eisendrachen]

Btw the weapon-sized battle spoon is Manga-exclusive only? As far as Mewtwo in anything that's media that is canon?

I'm still for the idea of a gigantic spoon so he can whack the Pokeball Alakazam summon & all, including using it on the Sm4sh cast. Just wondering how high of a chance that Spoon implementation has.

Not likely, but I'd rank it higher than the tail for "things Mewtwo should be physically smacking people with."

 

[Masonomace]

Not likely, but I'd rank it higher than the tail for "things Mewtwo should be physically smacking people with."

Fair point. Noted & sure when speaking for most of us(?), that we too want the spoon, of silver kinesis power. The handle / hilt of the spoon is a B-air idea, spinning, or swinging the spoon in a crescent attack is U-air idea, F-air & N-air must definitely either stay or re-vamp to something alternate differently but keep the same element to the attack, Darkness / Electric. As Darkness was the main element type of attack from the main users who utilized the type of attack in Brawl who are ATM MIA, will return & hopefully Mewtwo makes Darkness along with Robin's Nosferatu, more promoted & noted.

 

[SaucyDancer]

We are only 4 weeks away from getting everything we have ever wanted or everything we have ever feared.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

We are only 4 weeks away from getting everything we have ever wanted or everything we have ever feared.

I believe we have less time to wait then that. How could Sakurai pass up the opportunity to show off Mewtwo in a trailer?

 

[Eisendrachen]

I believe we have less time to wait then that. How could Sakurai pass up the opportunity to show off Mewtwo in a trailer?

Not only that, Japan's getting it first. Once it comes out there, the Internet shall reveal ALL.

 

[Wise Multishine]

I hope the spoon never makes an appearance in his moveset. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I just think most of his tail attacks need to go away.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

I hope the spoon never makes an appearance in his moveset. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I just think most of his tail attacks need to go away.

This.
While the tail should have some purpose in his moveset, it should not be as prominent....also...a spoon? Come on people, that's not even part of the games....
Give Mewtwo more "Psychic" attacks.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Edit: This post is irrelevant.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I hope the spoon never makes an appearance in his moveset. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I just think most of his tail attacks need to go away.

Agreed. I don't like the spoon. The tail attacks I'd be okay with if they lowered the amount of tail attacks he had.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

CoroCoro approaches.

Lettuce all join together in unified prayer.

Weren't the scans already released?

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

I like Mewtwo's tail attacks. The animations are great, and it's logical that when you have that big, hefty tail behind you, you're going to whack people with it on occasion. Just, you now, cut back on 'em, is all.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Weren't the scans already released?

And just now I realized that.

Bleh.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

And just now I realized that.

Bleh.

Gosh darn it...you had me thinking there was more....

 

[Masonomace]

Lettuce all join together in unified prayer.

Great now we gotta be in your salad party too?
My confidence for speaking of us all, was striked down, impaled by the very spoon. Dishonor

I like Mewtwo's tail attacks. The animations are great, and it's logical that when you have that big, hefty tail behind you, you're going to whack people with it on occasion. Just, you now, cut back on 'em, is all.

Melee or Project M? Your reply decides what my reactionary post will say.

 

[Eisendrachen]

This.
While the tail should have some purpose in his moveset, it should not be as prominent....also...a spoon? Come on people, that's not even part of the games....

If the anime has a presence, one should not be faulted for wanting the VASTLY SUPERIOR manga to also have presence.

Give Mewtwo more "Psychic" attacks.

Spoons have been associated with the Psychic type from the start. Abra line is, in fact, based on Uri Geller, best known for claiming psychic ability via bending spoons. Mewtwo has a BFS (that's "Big Fething Spoon") in the manga, the manga is superior in every way to the anime, and we're grabbing crap from outside the games anyway.

 

[ミスティック Speed]

If the anime has a presence, one should not be faulted for wanting the VASTLY SUPERIOR manga to also have presence.



Spoons have been associated with the Psychic type from the start. Abra line is, in fact, based on Uri Geller, best known for claiming psychic ability via bending spoons. Mewtwo has a BFS (that's "Big Fething Spoon") in the manga, the manga is superior in every way to the anime, and we're grabbing crap from outside the games anyway.

The manga is not relevant in Smash, sorry to say.

 

[Wise Multishine]

I like Mewtwo's tail attacks. The animations are great, and it's logical that when you have that big, hefty tail behind you, you're going to whack people with it on occasion. Just, you now, cut back on 'em, is all.

I think the forward tilt/down tilt attacks are fine. Those seem fitting. I don't think having both of them would be too great, though. His back air looks so weak and dainty. And his up tilt could easily be something more fitting. Like a psychic uppercut.

Spoons have been associated with the Psychic type from the start. Abra line is, in fact, based on Uri Geller, best known for claiming psychic ability via bending spoons. Mewtwo has a BFS (that's "Big Fething Spoon") in the manga, the manga is superior in every way to the anime, and we're grabbing crap from outside the games anyway.

The difference in this case is that Mewtwo doesn't use it as a psychic amplifier. He uses it as a weapon. Which is unorthodox and unfitting. The Abra line has always been about the spoons. The spoons are part of Kadabra's and Alakazam's sprites.

 

[Masonomace]

If the anime has a presence, one should not be faulted for wanting the VASTLY SUPERIOR manga to also have presence.



Spoons have been associated with the Psychic type from the start. Abra line is, in fact, based on Uri Geller, best known for claiming psychic ability via bending spoons. Mewtwo has a BFS (that's "Big Fething Spoon") in the manga, the manga is superior in every way to the anime, and we're grabbing crap from outside the games anyway.

I can most definitely vouch for this as far as the video games go. Alakazam being the spoon bender that he is was notifed in the pokedex entry about him.

But Mace wait a minute! Pokedex entries are BS anyways! Plus Sakurai would never give Mewtwo a spoon!

Then why does Alakazam get spoon features in the pokemon spin-off games like Stadium / Stadium 2 / Colosseum / XD / so on, etc. etc.? as his fainting animation. And as his animation way of doing side-scrolling attack moves too.

I also liked quoting myself arguing at myself.

This said it's natural to give a spoon that signifies a correlation with Psychic type pokemon to none other than the strongest Psychic or strongest pokemon ever. Mewtwo. With the biggest spoon. Also TwistedSpoon for the pokemon psyhic increasing STAB item for a reference.

The manga is not relevant in Smash, sorry to say.

But still, manga-wise Speed's right. Manga has little if not nothing to do with Super Smash Brothers.. Maybe a few references here & there. but nothing mechanic-worthy of implementing into the game-play of characters.

 

[Eisendrachen]

The manga is not relevant in Smash, sorry to say.

Neither are the games. Neither is the anime. Neither is anything but Smash itself. Your point?

 

[SaucyDancer]

Neither are the games. Neither is the anime. Neither is anything but Smash itself. Your point?

You could argue that. Pokemon Trainer was Red from the games. Lucario has his voice from the anime and same with Mewtwo.

Sakurai also said he picks Pokemon for Smash by the recent anime movies and games so I would argue that they are both pretty relevant in Smash.

 

[Eisendrachen]

And the point I'm actually trying to make is that the spoon is in fact more appropriate than having Mewtwo physically hitting people with any part of its body.

I'd even go so far as to say Mewtwo's game should be entirely ranged, but I'm pretty sure we all know that's not going to happen.

EDIT: The comparison I want to draw is Spacegodzilla's moveset in Save the Earth. For starters, let's just say I'd be satisfied with Mewtwo having a tether grab that doesn't draw in on top of being heavier.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Melee or Project M? Your reply decides what my reactionary post will say.

Can't play Project M, my Wii's disc drive has been dead since last July.

And the point I'm actually trying to make is that the spoon is in fact more appropriate than having Mewtwo physically hitting people with any part of its body.

I'd even go so far as to say Mewtwo's game should be entirely ranged, but I'm pretty sure we all know that's not going to happen.

That spoon would look completely ridiculous. And Mewtwo is Psychic, yes, but it's still six-foot-seven and weighs 269 pounds. If it hits you with it's arm, it's still going to hurt.

 

[SaucyDancer]

Can't play Project M, my Wii's disc drive has been dead since last July.

Just install homebrew and run the game through a USB loader. It's what I have to do because there is no PAL release, yet.

 

[---]

People arguing against the Spoon Sword? I must be getting old.

That spoon would look completely ridiculous.

I humbly disagree.

 

[Deathlightning21]

You know...I've come to realize we're kind of like the little minions that are loyal and go on and on about our Master's return...but when he finally does return, we all celebrate the mass destruction he will bring upon the Smash Universe....
Kind of evil, don't you think?

So evil that we debate on a voice for our master! MUhahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[Eisendrachen]

That spoon would look completely ridiculous. And Mewtwo is Psychic, yes, but it's still six-foot-seven and weighs 269 pounds. If it hits you with it's arm, it's still going to hurt.

Mewtwo's a six-foot cat-wallaby with a beer belly and you're worried a spoon would be ridiculous?

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I humbly disagree.

This is the go-to representation of mental might. Hitting someone with your fist is not. Especially if Mega Mewtwo Y is the FS of choice (and let's face it, she probably will be), it makes much more sense to downplay those contact moves.

 

[ThePsychoWolf]

Mewtwo's a six-foot cat-wallaby with a beer belly and you're worried a spoon would be ridiculous?



This is the go-to representation of mental might. Hitting someone with your fist is not. Especially if Mega Mewtwo Y is the FS of choice (and let's face it, she probably will be), it makes much more sense to downplay those contact moves.

Anything holding a giant-*** spoon is going to look ridiculous. And the 'go-to representation of mental might' is a giant eating utensil? Whatever you say, man. Also, since when does Mewtwo have a beer belly? You sure we're talking about the same Pokemon, here?

 

[SaucyDancer]

So evil that we debate on a voice for our master! MUhahahahahahahahahaha!

Our master has no voice. Only influence on the thoughts within our mind. Master tells us what's to think and the sounds we hear are our own perception of it's presence. The voices change as we change and there will be nothing but carnage when master returns.

 

[Masonomace]

Can't play Project M, my Wii's disc drive has been dead since last July.

That is a bummer. But you can just install hom-- @ SaucyDancer has you covered.

By that event, then your likings are Melee. I have nothing to debate about, it's your subjective opinion, so I respect it.

The animations for his D-throw tail smacking is cool. Needs a knock-back effect that launches them straight upward, what is up with a trail strike coming from above & then getting sent at a 40 / 130 degree angle? TF is this

His D-tilt skate-like 360 spin tail sweeping was believably cool, at the time.

His F-tilt, not to borrow a Lucario aspect, I feel could be something darkness-related like Lucario's Aura F-tilt. Good poking & shield pressure move, something I can see Mewtwo do very well rather than hitting someone with his tail in front of him, it also just looked he threw it out there as a move on a whim, to me anyways.

His U-tilt at the time was cool-looking since he practically does a levitating backward flip lashing his tail in an arc above him, getting a huge buff in Project M being too cheezy & turned me off, for being too impressive of a anti-air tilt. If Mewtwo got a tail move for his future U-tilt, it needs to be balanced between his Melee's & PM's frame data & hit-bubbles.

His Bair just seemed "meh" when using it, making a weird SFX when used & hitting someone, wagging his tail behind him is underrating his strong muscular tail's potential to do more than that kind of knock-back, sorta like his PM Bair.

& finally his U-air which I'm okay with staying, was more of a combo stringing move in Melee anyways as other Uairs were also. I'm content with it's return or a re-vamped Uair emphasizing his Darkness elemental type of move.

 

[MewtwoMaster2002]

If you had to choose between the spoon or the armor from the anime, which would you rather have? Can't be both.

Anything holding a giant-*** spoon is going to look ridiculous. And the 'go-to representation of mental might' is a giant eating utensil? Whatever you say, man. Also, since when does Mewtwo have a beer belly? You sure we're talking about the same Pokemon, here?

It's Smash...there's a lot of ridiculous things in it.

 

[Deathlightning21]

Our master has no voice. Only influence on the thoughts within our mind. Master tells us what's to think and the sounds we hear are our own perception of it's presence. The voices change as we change and there will be nothing but carnage when master returns.

Dude...your so wise!

But not as wise as our master >: )