Caught a few errors:
* Lovage and Kou aren't playing anymore
* Scar and Zeldafreak aren't in the same pool anymore (poor Zeldafreak, this is the second time he's been moved around)
* Fly Amanita vs StricNYN3 is a potential WF, not WS
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* Lovage and Kou aren't playing anymore
* Scar and Zeldafreak aren't in the same pool anymore (poor Zeldafreak, this is the second time he's been moved around)
* Fly Amanita vs StricNYN3 is a potential WF, not WS
Sedda
Smash Champion
My god... My body is NOT ready for this. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Hype
smashmachine
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total numbers for ALL the games:
1. SSF4 AE v2012 - 1,601 players
2. UMvC3 - 1,297 players
3. Melee - 696 players
4. Injustice - 582 players
5. SFxT - 545 players
6. KoF13 - 433 players
7. P4A - 400 players
8. TTT2 - 355 players
9. MK9 - 233 players (if the Skullgirls side tournament beats this, I will laugh so hard)
1. SSF4 AE v2012 - 1,601 players
2. UMvC3 - 1,297 players
3. Melee - 696 players
4. Injustice - 582 players
5. SFxT - 545 players
6. KoF13 - 433 players
7. P4A - 400 players
8. TTT2 - 355 players
9. MK9 - 233 players (if the Skullgirls side tournament beats this, I will laugh so hard)
t3h Icy
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You're missing Blunted Object vs Armada. Also, Foosjr and Bimbo are both solid players it seems.
Osennecho
Smash Ace
No more Ken vs M2K hype 
.... Also D59 will be interesting. As will B59.
.... Also D59 will be interesting. As will B59.
CyberZixx
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That hype has been replaced with the Evo 07 Grand Finals runback of Hugs and Ken.No more Ken vs M2K hype
they apparently changed that too, but now we might get to see ken vs vectorman?
that'd be neat
Scar vs. Gimpy fish will be fun to watch.
Poor daze', getting hbox first round.
Vman/Ken would be amazing. he has so much experience in the matchup and I doubt ken has much if any against a Yoshi.
Poor daze', getting hbox first round.
Vman/Ken would be amazing. he has so much experience in the matchup and I doubt ken has much if any against a Yoshi.
If vman runs yoshi in that match, he better be the cause for the most shameful re-retirement of all time
I definitely have money on Ken, but we'll see what Vman can do, should be an exciting potential WFs.
Also to solt: wrong daze, the one you're thinking of hails from canada. In which case, he's uh, dealing with Dr. PP instead.
yeah he's boned
yeah he's boned
phish-it
Smash Champion
B59 looks like the hardest pool
Skullgirls registration ends on the 5th with 131 entries currently so it's highly unlikely that it'll surpass MK9.
Seeing the popularity of SFIV AE makes me wish I got into this game.
Skullgirls registration ends on the 5th with 131 entries currently so it's highly unlikely that it'll surpass MK9.
https://twitter.com/Pond3r/status/352195374770954240
Pools are getting (mostly) finalized tonight. If there's any more problems in pools, better find them out now.
Pools are getting (mostly) finalized tonight. If there's any more problems in pools, better find them out now.
Well they would probably get more entrants if people like me didn't just now find out about a Skullgirls tournaments and still cant find where to enter it.
phish-it
Smash Champion
Amazing!
Djent
Smash Champion
Happy to see Smash players entering Skullgirls. <3
Anyway, the Chad McCullough facing Ice R1 in pool F60 isn't Pikachad, is it?
Anyway, the Chad McCullough facing Ice R1 in pool F60 isn't Pikachad, is it?
It is.
clowsui
Smash Legend
When pools are finalized I'll run through them again.
Djent
Smash Champion
Oh ****! That's easily the hardest R1 matchup in the tournament.
N1c2k3
Smash Lord
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_b58.html
Hm, looks tough. Is that the same Brawl Fiction? If so, he's gotten a lot better at Melee since I last saw years ago...
Hm, looks tough. Is that the same Brawl Fiction? If so, he's gotten a lot better at Melee since I last saw years ago...
Djent
Smash Champion
It is indeed Brawl Fiction. He's quite a strong player now. I'd consider him a strong candidate for Top 32 were his pool not death.
Popopidopop
Smash Cadet
So for our Winner's semis we got:
(Mang0 /Axe) VS (PP / Armada / $Hax) on one side
(M2K / Ice ) VS (Hbox / PPU / L3ff3n) on the other side
M2K seems to get the easiest way to semi's from what I have seen.
Please correct me if I made any misstakes in my studies of the brackets.
And Sorry for not including everyone. I only included ppl I think have a chance and if you aren't there but still consider yourself on the same lvl as Axe/Hax/Leffen/PPU/Ice then I'm sorry for not considering you, I just wanted a quick summary of how the high end bracket might look.
(Mang0 /Axe) VS (PP / Armada / $Hax) on one side
(M2K / Ice ) VS (Hbox / PPU / L3ff3n) on the other side
M2K seems to get the easiest way to semi's from what I have seen.
Please correct me if I made any misstakes in my studies of the brackets.
And Sorry for not including everyone. I only included ppl I think have a chance and if you aren't there but still consider yourself on the same lvl as Axe/Hax/Leffen/PPU/Ice then I'm sorry for not considering you, I just wanted a quick summary of how the high end bracket might look.
Metà
Smash Master
Ice's pool is ridiculous. Ice vs Chad first round, as well as Alan vs Chexr first round.
and D58 still has no one in it! put Alan and Chad there IMO
and D58 still has no one in it! put Alan and Chad there IMO
Ponder
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Hi Smash people.
Good news: Many of you are using the feedback tool to help us balance the bracket.
Bad news: Many of you are giving conflicting recommendations.
We have already made many, many changes to the brackets based on your recommendations which I think will dramatically improve the quality of the tournament, but at some point we must stop. That time is now! So here's what we're going to do:
You guys have until tonight to come up with 3 recommendations for swaps you would like to make to balance the bracket. For example, you might say:
-- Tony
Good news: Many of you are using the feedback tool to help us balance the bracket.
Bad news: Many of you are giving conflicting recommendations.
We have already made many, many changes to the brackets based on your recommendations which I think will dramatically improve the quality of the tournament, but at some point we must stop. That time is now! So here's what we're going to do:
You guys have until tonight to come up with 3 recommendations for swaps you would like to make to balance the bracket. For example, you might say:
- Please swap A62 Jose Aldama (Lucky) with D58 Jonathan Sha (Bacon)
- You may not move a seeded player. Seeded players have #'s or *'s next to their name.
- I reserve the right to veto any of your suggestions. (I probably won't, though).
-- Tony
Zhea
Smash Ace
M2K first round. Welp.
Nintendude
Smash Hero
Someone please vote to move Vist to a different pool. He's playing against Bizarro Flame round 1. Not only that but he is also in Laijin's pool. Laijin and Vist are 2 of the 3 players coming from Maryland and it's really lame that they might have to play with elimination on the line.
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_c60.html
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_c60.html
I vote prog. He'd had the least bias out of anyone I'd want doing that.
prog
Priest of the Temple of Syrinx
Declined. It's not a job for one person. Juggleguy/Scar/Clowsui and a couple of others should skim it over and one of them deliver the results.
thespymachine
Smash Ace
Clowsui is very good at compiling stuff together and getting the word out. He would be a good representative.
Upke
Smash Journeyman
I know that in the e57 pool (http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_e57.html), there is Pewpewu, Darrell, Jolteon, and Cosmo. I think they are all great players who would have a decent if not better chance at making it the QF pools. There's also Massive whom I haven't actually seen play, but I've seen him a lot on Smashboards. If he's also good, that's potentially five people in the same pool, making it pretty stacked in my opinion.
Two pools that I didn't recognize any big names in (correct me if I'm wrong) that could potentially be used for swapping are b60 and d58.
Two pools that I didn't recognize any big names in (correct me if I'm wrong) that could potentially be used for swapping are b60 and d58.
I'm taking the lead on this with clowsui and others. Currently jotting down as many notes as I can right now to meet our deadline. If you want to follow along, go to the MIOM Google Doc where my notes are: http://tinyurl.com/miom-doc
Keep in mind we only have three switches. The main issues to deal with are difficulty of first-round pool, difficulty of general quarterfinal section, and regional conflict in first-round pool. Our goal is to maximize the number of solutions to those problems under the constraint that we only get three switches. We should be able to "kill two birds with one stone" with some of these switches.
Keep in mind we only have three switches. The main issues to deal with are difficulty of first-round pool, difficulty of general quarterfinal section, and regional conflict in first-round pool. Our goal is to maximize the number of solutions to those problems under the constraint that we only get three switches. We should be able to "kill two birds with one stone" with some of these switches.
Metà
Smash Master
^ if laijin is 'notable' in c60 i'm pretty sure i am as well. lol
that makes it 5
also in c64 is mackadotious who is pretty good iirc. that pool is hella stacked
that makes it 5
also in c64 is mackadotious who is pretty good iirc. that pool is hella stacked
t3h Icy
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B60 and D58 both have no notable players, so I think any potential swaps of good players should be with those two pools.
-Merck vs Milkman round 1 in B63 is a little rough, but I'm not sure just how good they are comparatively.
-C58 is still pretty tough, but not "death". Perhaps swap Eric Brown and Juggleguy with any players in the upper half except Bimbo, so that the pool is more distributed equally, although regardless it should be Eric Brown and Armada advancing anyway.
-C60 is fairly stacked with a lot of moderately good level players. Vist and Laijin should be in different pools as Nintendude mentioned a couple posts ago, and perhaps move one of Meta, Nicknyte, and Tang to the upper quarter for more balance.
-Zoap vs Kou round 1 in C61 is tough, so perhaps put one of them in the second quarter.
-C62 is actually fairly balanced, though two seeded players in the same pool seems a bit silly, but I guess we're not moving them.
-C64 has quite a few moderately good players plus Hungrybox, though the spread of them is really good. Maybe move one of them into the second quarter.
-D59 is still tough but more spread out now. Toph and Silent Wolf are both in the same region though, and J666 and SFAT to a lesser extent too. Maybe move Silent Wolf to one of the "empty" pools and have J666 on the bottom quarter.
-E57 has quite a few moderately good players and PewPewU, but I don't think it warrants swapping around, especially since the spread is really good.
-E58 is basically empty except Dart, so maybe put a good player in the upper half.
-E62 is pretty easy, but I don't know how good Amsa is. Smashmac in the bottom half is also balancing, but perhaps another player could go in that pool.
-F58 has nobody except Shiz, so maybe someone in the bottom half, although isn't Khepri somewhat good or something?
-F59 is a pretty easy pool and has nobody in the bottom half.
-F60 with Alan vs Chexr round 1 is tough, and Ice vs Chad round 1 is definitely the hardest round 1 match. Spreading them out or moving one or two of them to the easy pools would be good.
-F62 is easy except Tafokints.
Those are just things I noticed, and I have no idea about regional seeding problems, so don't take any of the above seriously unless more people agree with the changes.
-Merck vs Milkman round 1 in B63 is a little rough, but I'm not sure just how good they are comparatively.
-C58 is still pretty tough, but not "death". Perhaps swap Eric Brown and Juggleguy with any players in the upper half except Bimbo, so that the pool is more distributed equally, although regardless it should be Eric Brown and Armada advancing anyway.
-C60 is fairly stacked with a lot of moderately good level players. Vist and Laijin should be in different pools as Nintendude mentioned a couple posts ago, and perhaps move one of Meta, Nicknyte, and Tang to the upper quarter for more balance.
-Zoap vs Kou round 1 in C61 is tough, so perhaps put one of them in the second quarter.
-C62 is actually fairly balanced, though two seeded players in the same pool seems a bit silly, but I guess we're not moving them.
-C64 has quite a few moderately good players plus Hungrybox, though the spread of them is really good. Maybe move one of them into the second quarter.
-D59 is still tough but more spread out now. Toph and Silent Wolf are both in the same region though, and J666 and SFAT to a lesser extent too. Maybe move Silent Wolf to one of the "empty" pools and have J666 on the bottom quarter.
-E57 has quite a few moderately good players and PewPewU, but I don't think it warrants swapping around, especially since the spread is really good.
-E58 is basically empty except Dart, so maybe put a good player in the upper half.
-E62 is pretty easy, but I don't know how good Amsa is. Smashmac in the bottom half is also balancing, but perhaps another player could go in that pool.
-F58 has nobody except Shiz, so maybe someone in the bottom half, although isn't Khepri somewhat good or something?
-F59 is a pretty easy pool and has nobody in the bottom half.
-F60 with Alan vs Chexr round 1 is tough, and Ice vs Chad round 1 is definitely the hardest round 1 match. Spreading them out or moving one or two of them to the easy pools would be good.
-F62 is easy except Tafokints.
Those are just things I noticed, and I have no idea about regional seeding problems, so don't take any of the above seriously unless more people agree with the changes.
I think you missed the fact that we only have three switches, Icy, haha. I recognize most of those issues you brought up but 90% of them won't be able to be addressed at all.
t3h Icy
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Oh no, I definitely saw that, just compiling a list of options we have. I really like how you have the QFs projections, which is also really important. It's actually fairly balanced, but more quality in the top with quantity on the bottom.
Metà
Smash Master
http://evo2013.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssbm_f60.html
needs to be changed. alan vs chexr first round??? ice vs chad first round??? plus broly is in there
needs to be changed. alan vs chexr first round??? ice vs chad first round??? plus broly is in there
Zoap
Smash Master
Playing Kou ain't no big thing for me.
t3h Icy
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It's kind of tricky as we need two switches to take care of Laijin/Vist, and Silent Wolf/Toph. Let's project a bit here first though; Vist vs Bizzaro is a really tough round 1 match, but should Vist win, he shouldn't lose to anyone else, so Vist either loses in Section C, or makes it to Winners' Finals, while Laijin will most likely Winners' Semis, and if he loses, goes to Section N (opposite of C), or move on and face Vist or Bizzaro. I think it's fairly likely that they'll meet so they should definitely be swapped out, and as you suggested in the doc, moving Vist so it's projected he'll make it to Q94 is also balancing for skill there. So sending him to one of B57 (opposite of G$) or B60 (opposite of Lord) is good.
Silent Wolf and Toph are basically guaranteed to be playing in Winners' Semis of their pool, so should definitely be moved, and since as you mentioned Q94 is the easiest quarter section, Silent Wolf should be moved out and put in the other of B57/B60.
The last one is a really up in the air though since there are a lot of moderate problems, but no other big ones. Ice vs Chad is pretty brutal, the bottom half of the Quarterfinals are more quantity than quality like the upper half. One thing we could do is swap Armada (since he has no seeding points) with Westballz/Lucien/Tafokints to make for a more balanced QF Pools, but that leaves a lot of poor R1 matches and is brutal for a bunch of people that now suddenly have to play him. I think PP and Armada in Winners' Eighths really bites.
Ice needs to stay or else the projected QFs is way too easy, so if we were to move Chad, perhaps put him in a pool so he ends up in the same QF as Silent Wolf and Vist. A64 isn't too bad, but it already has a lot of moderately good players.
Silent Wolf and Toph are basically guaranteed to be playing in Winners' Semis of their pool, so should definitely be moved, and since as you mentioned Q94 is the easiest quarter section, Silent Wolf should be moved out and put in the other of B57/B60.
The last one is a really up in the air though since there are a lot of moderate problems, but no other big ones. Ice vs Chad is pretty brutal, the bottom half of the Quarterfinals are more quantity than quality like the upper half. One thing we could do is swap Armada (since he has no seeding points) with Westballz/Lucien/Tafokints to make for a more balanced QF Pools, but that leaves a lot of poor R1 matches and is brutal for a bunch of people that now suddenly have to play him. I think PP and Armada in Winners' Eighths really bites.
Ice needs to stay or else the projected QFs is way too easy, so if we were to move Chad, perhaps put him in a pool so he ends up in the same QF as Silent Wolf and Vist. A64 isn't too bad, but it already has a lot of moderately good players.