Evo 2kXV Competitive Impressions

[Nu~]

Customs live on!!!

 

[|RK|]

Well I guess there's a silver lining in all of this.

Didn't ZeRo say he would retire Smash 4 to focus on Melee if he won EVO?

At least the meta can evolve without him for a change.

That's actually the worst mentality. He's leaving because he's too good. I hate it when people say **** like this for any game, or any sport.

"Diddy is just high tier now" they said. "Sheik is the best character" they said! Ahahahaha!

Sheik is the best character. ZeRo is the best player.

 

[Vipermoon]

Let it be known that Diddy's frame data is horrid.

Let it be known that ZeRo won because of near character mastery, powerful mind-games (playing the player), and powerful innovation unseen in even HIS Diddy ever before.

 

[ZarroTsu]

Sheik is excellent in advantage, but appears to be thumbscrews when she can't actually get in. I think this final round vs ZeRo showcased the problems with recent Sheik nerfs: They were all made in the wrong places.

Mr. R adapted excellently, and that last stock was incredible -- but Diddy lived to 150 and it was just... ick. It probably would have gone to time, and maybe Mr. R should have let it, at that point?

I'm more mortified by Sheik's personal imbalance than anything. This was a match between a now well-rounded character, and an "S Tier".

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well I guess there's a silver lining in all of this.

Didn't ZeRo say he would retire Smash 4 to focus on Melee if he won EVO?

At least the meta can evolve without him for a change.

No he said he would just focus on Melee more.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Needless to say, ZeRo nearly lost several times, but Nairo missed the punishes (thanks Sakurai), and shomehow Powershielded every punish attempt by Mr. R.

 

[Pazx]

Results with Characters
1st. ZeRo /
2nd. Mr R
3rd. Nairo
4th. Abadango //
5th. Dabuz /
5th. Ally /
7th. ESAM
7th. FOW
9th. Larry Lurr /
9th. Rain
9th. SS
9th. Static Manny
13th. False (maybe )
13th. DaPuffster
13th. Regi
13th. Mocha
17th. 8bitman
17th. John Numbers
17th. Salem/Tyrant (lol double DQ)
17th. MJG
17th. Angel Cortez
17th. Bloodcross /
17th. CaptAwesum
25th. Trevonte /
25th. Shaky
25th. Salem/Tyrant (both DQ'd)
25th. Mr. Con Con
25th. Falln
25th. Vinnie
25th. Christian Rendon (i think?)
25th. Tweek

x8
x3
x2
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[NotLiquid]

That's actually the worst mentality. He's leaving because he's too good. I hate it when people say **** like this for any game, or any sport.

I don't care about who's good, who's bad or who's placing the highest. What I am okay with is ZeRo taking a time out to focus on other venues and let other players have more of a leading influence of the ongoing meta. The same way Ken left Melee for a bit and saw the scene developing before he returned, the same way I'm okay with this.

No he said he would just focus on Melee more.

Right. Makes sense.

I don't blame him. Even as a top professional, he probably wants to challenge himself more. The consistent streak he's had is unparalleled and I don't blame him for some insane pressure he must have felt. Shifting gears for a while will leave him a pretty good legacy.

 

[Tinkerer]

SS played Villager @ Pazx

 

[⑨ball]

Great tournament. For all the complaints about customs building up towards it, all we saw was great players making good use out of specials like they would any other day, and abuse getting destroyed by adaption.

Can we file customs jank under the same list as Brawl recoveries and multiple airdodges now?

 

[Ffamran]

Wait... Was Ito even in the tournament or did he drown in pools? I could have sworn his name was on the bracket. Maybe he pulled out like M2K for health, personal, whatever reasons.

 

[ZeldaMaster]

Diddy kong is still top tier. # 2, even ahead of Rosalina in my opinion

 

[san.]

Wait... Was Ito even in the tournament or did he drown in pools? I could have sworn his name was on the bracket. Maybe he pulled out like M2K for health, personal, whatever reasons.

I'm guessing he lost to Tyrant in the ditto and lost somewhere else, or he didn't show up.

 

[SpottedCerberus]

9th. SS (I think?)

I thought I saw SS playing villager against ESAM.

 

[BSP]

Results with Characters
1st. ZeRo /
2nd. Mr R
3rd. Nairo
4th. Abadango //
5th. Dabuz /
5th. Ally /
7th. ESAM
7th. FOW
9th. Larry Lurr /
9th. Rain
9th. SS (I think?)
9th. Static Manny
13th. False (maybe )
13th. DaPuffster
13th. Regi
13th. Mocha ()
17th. 8bitman
17th. John Numbers
17th. Salem/Tyrant (lol double DQ)
17th. MJG
17th. Angel Cortez
17th. Bloodcross
17th. CaptAwesum
25th. Trevonte
25th. Shaky
25th. Salem/Tyrant (both DQ'd)
25th. Mr. Con Con
25th. Falln
25th. Vinnie
25th. Christian Rendon (i think?)

8 Sheiks, 2 Rosalinas, Diddies, Nesses, WFTs, Villagers, ZSSes.

I don't think Ally's marth won him any sets, but I could be wrong.

 

[Wintropy]

Well done to ZeRo. It's a damn shame Nairo didn't make it to grand finals this time, but it was a fine tourney overall and kudos to all the players for a damn good time!

 

[warionumbah2]

I'm guessing he lost to Tyrant in the ditto and lost somewhere else, or he didn't show up.

Lost to tyrant, tyrant got sent to losers and busted ito's ass again.

 

[Balgorxz]

Ally's marth almost won, so he did better than mario.

 

[Pazx]

Can anyone confirm MJG and Mocha's characters? Also who did Salem use in pools?

 

[Ryu_Ken]

Congratulations to @ChileZeRo for winning his first Smash 4 EVO tournament.
Hot dang, that dude was just on fire from start to finish. Just never letting up.

 

[Ffamran]

I'm guessing he lost to Tyrant in the ditto and lost somewhere else, or he didn't show up.

If I read this right, he literally drowned in pools on his first match of the day and second match in losers. Ito lost to Benthedragon and Restless Monarch. Bracket: http://evo2015.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssb4_d53.html.

 

[nirvanemesis]

Can anyone confirm MJG and Mocha's characters? Also who did Salem use in pools?

Mocha used Sonic with the Hammer set

 

[Unknownkid]

Lost to tyrant, tyrant got sent to losers and busted ito's *** again.

So Tyrant is the better MetaKnight or Ito sucks at Dittos?

 

[Pazx]

If I read this right, he literally drowned in pools on his first match of the day and second match in losers. Ito lost to Benthedragon and Restless Monarch. Bracket: http://evo2015.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/ssb4_d53.html.

Ito entered twice, that was the entry he didn't compete using.

 

[roymustang1990-]

Zero taking a major tourney in grand finals with diddy is insane!

 

[Unknownkid]

Can anyone confirm MJG and Mocha's characters? Also who did Salem use in pools?

Yesh MJG is Villager Main. One of the better ones. He was the one that luck out and beat Tweek.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Did Abadango win any sets due to Rosalina?

 

[Kofu]

Let it be known that Diddy's frame data is horrid.

Let it be known that ZeRo won because of near character mastery, powerful mind-games (playing the player), and powerful innovation unseen in even HIS Diddy ever before.

I didn't know that a character that has:

• 5 aerials that all autocancel and have an average start time of 8 frames (note that one of them has a start time of double that which drags the average time down over 2)
• two smashes that come out as fast as most characters' grabs (and another which ties with or beats most tether grabs)
  
• a frame 4 DTilt that combos into everything

had bad frame data.

Not to detract from ZeRo's win (it was perfectly valid), but Diddy's frame data is good. End lag is mediocre at times but that can be mitigated by staying close to the ground in neutral.

 

[Rashyboy05]

Exploding Villagers and Airbending Dongs taking over EVO 2K15? Not what I'm seeing at all!

Seriously, this tournament basically proves that customs aren't broken at all. Everyone getting scared that EVO would be boring due to customs are proven wrong since this was, imo, the hypest tournament Smash4 ever had so far.

Also, **** shofu, everytime I read his posts on Twitter. It's just him john-ing about costums.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Funny how Ally's Marth didn't land a tipper Fsmash but he was consistently hitting with it. If it were Lucina he maybe could've get him (although he wouldn't be able to take the stock at 60% as he did there).






btw, apparently Mocha is a Sonic.

 

[J0A0B]

Say all you want about the diversity, but it didn't seem that way in the top 8. Any characters we didn't expect much of such as Wario, Marth, and even Olimar were clearly outplayed by the obviously stronger characters. Abadango's Wario did pretty awesome, but the results against Sheik still hold against him.

I don't believe in the Diddy/Sheik matchup either. Personal opinion, but it seemed like ZeRo wanted to fool everyone into thinking Sheik needs no nerfs by using his other best character, Diddy, to exploit his knowledge of Sheik's playstyle to his advantage by reading all the signs he's familiar with. This doesn't excuse the fact the Sheik conquered the majority of characters and has placed two of herself in the top 8.

At this point, competitive Sm4sh is dead to me. It was fun while it lasted, but now that's its confirmed IMPOSSIBLE to beat ZeRo in any tournament, even with cheap customs on, I can no longer believe there is hope for anything in this game.

I vowed that if ZeRo won Evo, I'd quit online, knowing it'll now be even more flooded with top tier characters like Sheik, Diddy, or any other characters that are generally high in mobility. If no one can take a round against that guy, then I know I clearly have no chance of ever getting good at this game no matter how I try. Sure I can beat plenty of those Falcons and Sheiks on my own, but it gets annoying real fast when that's all there is to face and there isn't much chance of improvement against them with all their multiple tools. It's not like anyone's gonna find another former low-tier turned top like Luigi anytime soon. It's gonna be a disastrous mess and I want no part of it.

Sorry for the negative hissy fit, but it's really discouraging when you see one player win so one-sidedly against nearly all the great competitors worldwide.

 

[Ffamran]

So Tyrant is the better MetaKnight or Ito sucks at Dittos?

Probably sucks at dittos. There's like only 3 notable Meta Knights and they live fairly far apart from each other. Max Ketchum MM ditto'd and beat Fatality's Captain Falcon, but considering Fatality's hyper-aggressive play style and need to style, it wasn't surprising he lost and didn't really place well at EVO.

Can anyone confirm MJG and Mocha's characters? Also who did Salem use in pools?

Salem used ZSS from what I remember. He is known for using Sheik and Villager, but decided to go back to his Brawl main.

Ito entered twice, that was the entry he didn't compete using.

What was his real tag and shouldn't the unused one be removed from the bracket?

 

[Spinosaurus]

Wait... Was Ito even in the tournament or did he drown in pools? I could have sworn his name was on the bracket. Maybe he pulled out like M2K for health, personal, whatever reasons.

He lost to Tyrant in a MK ditto I heard

EDIT: way late lol

Did Abadango win any sets due to Rosalina?

Against StaticManny and True Blue in QFs.

 

[BSP]

Did Abadango win any sets due to Rosalina?

He beat Static Manny with Rosalina.

Edit: and True Blue, forgot about that one.

 

[Pazx]

Probably sucks at dittos. There's like only 3 notable Meta Knights and they live fairly far apart from each other. Max Ketchum MM ditto'd and beat Fatality's Captain Falcon, but considering Fatality's hyper-aggressive play style and need to style, it wasn't surprising he lost and didn't really place well at EVO.


Salem used ZSS from what I remember. He is known for using Sheik and Villager, but decided to go back to his Brawl main.


What was his real tag and shouldn't the unused one be removed from the bracket?

From what I can see Salem used Sheik at least yesterday, may also have used ZSS. Ito's real tag was just Ito, he's in QF pool 39 from memory.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

To be fair Mr.R could have took ZeRo to at least Game 4, when diddy was charging his up-b in game 3. He just let him get back to the stage for free.

 

[Zelder]

Say all you want about the diversity, but it didn't seem that way in the top 8. Any characters we didn't expect much of such as Wario, Marth, and even Olimar were clearly outplayed by the obviously stronger characters. Abadango's Wario did pretty awesome, but the results against Sheik still hold against him.

I don't believe in the Diddy/Sheik matchup either. Personal opinion, but it seemed like ZeRo wanted to fool everyone into thinking Sheik needs no nerfs by using his other best character, Diddy, to exploit his knowledge of Sheik's playstyle to his advantage by reading all the signs he's familiar with. This doesn't excuse the fact the Sheik conquered the majority of characters and has placed two of herself in the top 8.

At this point, competitive Sm4sh is dead to me. It was fun while it lasted, but now that's its confirmed IMPOSSIBLE to beat ZeRo in any tournament, even with cheap customs on, I can no longer believe there is hope for anything in this game.

I vowed that if ZeRo won Evo, I'd quit online, knowing it'll now be even more flooded with top tier characters like Sheik, Diddy, or any other characters that are generally high in mobility. If no one can take a round against that guy, then I know I clearly have no chance of ever getting good at this game no matter how I try. Sure I can beat plenty of those Falcons and Sheiks on my own, but it gets annoying real fast when that's all there is to face and there isn't much chance of improvement against them with all their multiple tools. It's not like anyone's gonna find another former low-tier turned top like Luigi anytime soon. It's gonna be a disastrous mess and I want no part of it.

Sorry for the negative hissy fit, but it's really discouraging when you see one player win so one-sidedly against nearly all the great competitors worldwide.

Sorry that the best player won the tournament, but this post is insanely embarrassing. If you're the kind of person who gets discouraged when one dominant player wins most of the tournaments in the first year of the game (which is not unusual for fighting games, see Melee or Brawl or MVC3), then you were never going to be a great player.

 

[Nintenpro]

Is Luigi still top tier ?

 

[Gawain]

Well, now that Smash 4 has finished its biggest tournament for at least another year, all that's left is to see whether or not it has enough staying power to last for another one.

 

[NotLiquid]

Say all you want about the diversity, but it didn't seem that way in the top 8. Any characters we didn't expect much of such as Wario, Marth, and even Olimar were clearly outplayed by the obviously stronger characters. Abadango's Wario did pretty awesome, but the results against Sheik still hold against him.

I don't believe in the Diddy/Sheik matchup either. Personal opinion, but it seemed like ZeRo wanted to fool everyone into thinking Sheik needs no nerfs by using his other best character, Diddy, to exploit his knowledge of Sheik's playstyle to his advantage by reading all the signs he's familiar with. This doesn't excuse the fact the Sheik conquered the majority of characters and has placed two of herself in the top 8.

At this point, competitive Sm4sh is dead to me. It was fun while it lasted, but now that's its confirmed IMPOSSIBLE to beat ZeRo in any tournament, even with cheap customs on, I can no longer believe there is hope for anything in this game.

I vowed that if ZeRo won Evo, I'd quit online, knowing it'll now be even more flooded with top tier characters like Sheik, Diddy, or any other characters that are generally high in mobility. If no one can take a round against that guy, then I know I clearly have no chance of ever getting good at this game no matter how I try. Sure I can beat plenty of those Falcons and Sheiks on my own, but it gets annoying real fast when that's all there is to face and there isn't much chance of improvement against them with all their multiple tools. It's not like anyone's gonna find another former low-tier turned top like Luigi anytime soon. It's gonna be a disastrous mess and I want no part of it.

Sorry for the negative hissy fit, but it's really discouraging when you see one player win so one-sidedly against nearly all the great competitors worldwide.

I wasn't aware we're still living in a timeline where Ken is the undisputed champion of Melee