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It's hard to imagine for me. I never could wrap my head around DK appearing alone in Jungle Beat or Kremlings not appearing in Returns. It still feels so wrong to me.
That was my point. There's no reason to single out DK's ability to stand alone when anyone can do it.
The F-Zero subbed anime would like a word with you.
Personally, I felt it was poetic justice in a sense that DK was the only playable character in Returns since Retro were in a way atoning for how shafted he was in the 2nd and 3rd games.
I can understand and somewhat relate, even if I support Dixie and K. Rool's inclusion into Smash (even though I don't find it terribly likely) since my first real exposure to DK is the Arcade and DK'94, and I'm the type of fan whom seems to prefer DK in a bit more villainous light then not (the first Mario Vs. Donkey Kong, for example). Then I got into DKC with Returns and DKC2 and such.
Even when I wasn't a fan of DKC, had no nostalgia for it, and generally didn't care about the revival with Returns, I too clearly saw the firestorm when news broke out that the Kremlings were being excluded. I actually was legitimately shocked and confused by it too, because even though I didn't care for DKC at the time even I knew how popular the Kremlings and K. Rool were.
To be fair, DK is still the worst Kong if you play Co-Op in Returns or Hard Mode in Tropical Freeze, where there's no reason to use him unless you want to make the game harder for you. But yeah, I understand your point though. I never understood why Rareware made DK a Damsel in Distress in DKC2 & DKC3, so I am glad that the newer series makes DK much more essential to the game.
This. Wolf should be no where near the chopping block when characters like Ike and Toon Link are safe.As long as we get Wolf back i don't even care anymore
I am not sure I understand, why is Wolf comparable to Ike?
I agree... but also Ganon... and Dark Pit. Okay, fine. Clearly I still care!As long as we get Wolf back i don't even care anymore
Ike hasn't starred in a game since a year before Brawl came out, and people like to use recency as an argument. Personally, I like Ike, and am glad he's back, but his importance to Fire Emblem is fleeting compared to Wolf's importance to Star Fox.
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If Toon Link can get back in, I think that every other character from Brawl should be relatively safe (except for you two
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But he didn't star in Awakening. He starred in a few DLC chapters. Big difference. Also his appearance is VASTLY different, whereas here he uses his Radiant Dawn look.
I agree with this sentiment to an extent; however, importance to the series is not the only factor Sakurai must consider regarding character selections. It is not as simple as "Toon Link was confirmed, so now we are not going to get any cuts!"
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Sure. I know he looks at uniqueness, which Wolf has, and I believe he also said he wanted fairer series representation for this game.
well after all sakurai did say Wolf is his favorite starfox character plus he plays a very big role in starfox so there are actually no reasons for Wolf to be cut.Welcome to SmashBoards @
But unconfirmed characters going off their own reasons & their back-stories / relevancy, Jigglypuff is still here so, yeah. Wolf is more of an anti-hero / rival to Fox, seeing Andross is mainly the antagonist we all know of, & he's an AT. I see no reason to cut Wolf for any said reasons, it all depends on what Sakurai will do. So Lucas & Wolf are still in the red.
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But unconfirmed characters going off their own reasons & their back-stories / relevancy, Jigglypuff is still here so, yeah. Wolf is more of an anti-hero / rival to Fox, seeing Andross is mainly the antagonist we all know of, & he's an AT. I see no reason to cut Wolf for any said reasons, it all depends on what Sakurai will do. So Lucas & Wolf are still in the red.
what logic would that be? I'm curious now please explain also I am pretty sure sakurai is well aware of star fox wii u after all miyamoto has been trying to get it made for past few years.
Miyamoto supposedly has been trying to get it made for 7 years, it's doubtful Sakurai wouldn't know. He may have included all three characters to keep Star Fox in the public eye. Also, even if Wolf is cut here, Sakurai knows about Star Fox Wii U now, so there's always the possibility of DLC. Wolf could be used to promote Star Fox U.
While Wolf's probably more iconic to his series than Ike is to FE, I don't remember Wolf being that important in the grand scheme of things, at least pre-Assault. And I certainly don't remember him being in the original Star Fox for the SNES. That being said, if FE can get 4 reps then Star Fox certainly deserves to keep the three it already has.
Wolf didn't appear until Star Fox 64, though he was in the unreleased Star Fox 2.
Not that I disagree with the point you're making (Wolf should return if non-essential characters already have,) but I do think you need to judge Fire Emblem representation differently than other series. In fact, the only series it shares quite a few similarities with is Pokemon, although with one notably large difference: they both have a massive cast of new characters with each game (even Fire Emblem's sequels have incredibly few returning characters [except radiant dawn,]) the difference being Pokemon's characters don't retire with the end of their story, they're recycled through newer editions. That puts Ike in a similar position to somebody like Charizard/Jigglypuff. None of them have been the star of a game for quite some time, but they're important parts of the history of each series, and have earned their spot in the past. Keeping them relevant is impossible given the nature of the games they come from, and they need to be judged differently from other characters.
Toon Link, however, can go suck on a railroad spike.
Yeah, here's the thing; Star Fox U is just starting development from what I've gathered, though I could be wrong, since outside of some things like Project Guard, there isn't a whole lot of Star Fox U shown. No official gameplay, storyline, no nothing. The farthest Sakurai has gone is Pokemon X/Y which was in development for 3.5 years, according to this source, which at that time Sakurai has already been at the very least starting development for Smash. But Wolf I believe has a great chance (but I have no proof there :3).
I would make an argument over how awesome Toon Link is, but it's 1:00 AM, and I'm about to go to bed soon. Ya got lucky!
The debate is still plausible, there is even precedent to support that Wolf might be removed... Mewtwo.
The comparison doesn't work too well here, though. Star Fox is a series with recurring characters in every game (to my knowledge), Fire Emblem gives every cast of characters one or two games and then moves onto an entirely new cast. Discounting remakes, Marth himself only actually appears in two games, the most recent of which was on SNES. Tiki is the only story-significant character to appear in more than two games (Marth's games and Awakening), but her role is always supporting.
that should be proof of sakurai's love for Wolf if he wanted him in since day 1.
= She's been here since the beginning. She would have been gone by now if Sakurai wanted to cut her. = There will be riots if he's not back in. Plus, we have Mr. Saturn back, so I think Ness is safe. Also, original 12. = We need a Zelda villain, and he has the Triforce of Power. Having only 2/3 of the Triforce wielders in Smash would feel odd. = Pac-Man Trailer. = His logo is back, two assist trophies, one legitimate leak, what else is there to say? = This would've been 100%, but that leak has kind of crushed some of my hopes, so... = He's a semi-clone. But with Toon Link in, we know that clones aren't out of the picture. = He's a quadri-clone, with importance to the series. Also, ^ = He's a clone. = I don't see any reason why he would get the axe. He's unique and original, but not super popular. = As much as I would like to see him return, it just feels unlikely at this point. Kojima says it's probably not happening and Sakurai has been silent the entire time. However, we are dealing with gaming's biggest trolls here. = The lack of Mother anything in this game makes it seem unlikely. With Mother being one of Nintendo's rotting franchises, having 2 reps just seems like overkill. (but i still love you Lucas) = = = We have our Marth clone already. = An alt at best. = = Nope.
very agreeable in termsBecause past characters is a pretty popular topic atm, here's all of the past veterans in a list compiled by first appearance.
Now, this is how I think that these characters chances are to get back in. (higher up, more likely)
That's alright, I'll do it for you.
This doesn't seem to make any sense to me. The bad marketing move would be to throw in a years worth of ingenius marketing at the last minute, as if there were no strategy involve in it in the first place. We could definitely have a 3DS direct at this time, but I would b no means say it is a given- we have seen a lot of information about the game at this point, and another direct could easily make the game seem bland and repetitive i they do not have more to show, and I doubt they have too much more to show. What is left would be for the actual game to give away.
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I dig your counter to the argument, or rather, your debate against the topic at hand of others involving Toon Link's criticism for clones being allowed in the Smash rosters (I didn't notice much hate of TL from this forum, yet I may have ignored it). But I can't resist saying this as well::
