Character Competitive Impressions

[Nat Goméz]

Pretty much, it seems (i still like Mac tho) But this character seems much more complex. Also:

Lol to breaking shields in two hits

 

[Meru.]

Diddy's Uair seems to have become an Uair now instead of UpForwardDownBackAir

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Collarbone Breaker is a two-hit move, as an aside.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

None of these points apply to Yoshi: he has very solid range, can force approaches, can evade edgeguarding attempts, doesn't really care too much about disjoints, is moderately heavy, has good kill power and has very little lag on his moves. That might help explaining why Ganon has such a poor matchup against him.

I main both characters and play both matchups extensively, and the matchup isn't as bad as you seem to think. Everyone who isn't a Ganon main just assumes Ganon loses every basically matchup until they see evidence to the contrary.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Pretty much, it seems (i still like Mac tho) But this character seems much more complex. Also:

Lol to breaking shields in two hits

We got high/low mixups

Sorta

 

[King Omega]

That "adjustments have been made" bit is the non-balance wording they used in the past. They specifically used the word balance in the balance patches
Incoming placebos anyway

The fact that replays were broken definitively tells us some moveset changes were made.

 

[MatrixNexus]

Can anyone test Falco's nair?

 

[PUK]

Diddy's Uair seems to have become an Uair now instead of UpForwardDownBackAir

That's huge omg, it's a as bigger nerf as the latter

 

[Emblem Lord]

It was stated in the tips that his ftilt does crazy shield damage. That move is his overhead in SF games which must be blocked high. Sakurai was trying to translate the collarbone breakers ability to bypass low guards into a smash game.

And made it a broken move in that transition.

Ryu is looking monstrous wtf.

The Satsui no Hadou is strong in this one.

 

[Ffamran]

I think someone should make a patch thread... There's a data thread and sort of leak thread in the Wii U General Discussion... I'm on mobile, so I can't really do that. I'll ask.

So, how's Lucas, Ryu, and Roy feeling, everyone?

 

[Ryu_Ken]

So Ryu is pretty much a better Little Mac?

Kind of. The fact that he has a projectile that can be made stronger with specific inputs makes him significantly better than L mac. The real question is how does he do against rushdown chars like Falcon, intimidating characters like Ganon, and projectile chars like Link?

 

[Gunla]

Roy feels like what I've always wanted from Marth.

He hits hard, he's fast, and he's definitely a character I'm going to look into.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Ryu gonna beat Captain Falcon's ass like a runaway slave.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Diddy's Uair seems to have become an Uair now instead of UpForwardDownBackAir

Now they need to fix his fair from being the same thing.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

He has shoryu. He'll be fiiiine.

 

[Bribery]

Diddy's Up Throw was nerfed from 8% -> 5%, Down Throw buffed from 6% -> 7%


Charizard's Up Throw appears to have gotten a significant KB boost. I can KO Mario in the center of FD at 130% in training mode. His Down Throw was nerfed though. It doesn't KO Mario even at 300% lol.

 

[Ulevo]

I will check Meta Knight thoroughly when the patch is done.

Also, I do not usually call 'top tier' on face value, but Ryu probably is. Does he have substantial invincibility on his Shoryuken in the air?

 

[LimitCrown]

The sourspot of Kirby's side smash attack angled upwards deals 12% damage instead of 13%.

 

[Ffamran]

Roy feels like what I've always wanted from Marth.

He hits hard, he's fast, and he's definitely a character I'm going to look into.

Cool... Won't be able to play him until I get a Wii U. Sworn off Smash 4 since I don't want to wear down my Circle Pad more and FG is irritating.

Any basic combos and move uses, anyone?

 

[Unknownkid]

Pretty much, it seems (i still like Mac tho) But this character seems much more complex. Also:

Lol to breaking shields in two hits

It slow enough to side step it. Only beginners will fall for that imo.
Wow... they nerf diddy's Upair. Holy crap!

Seeing EmblemLord switching to Roy and Ryu makes me smile.

 

[bc1910]

GRENINJA'S FORWARD TILT IS BUFFED!

The whole animation is quicker (less startup and ending lag) and the damage is up to 7.3% from 6.5%.

Considering it already has awesome range I think this is a legitimately good move now. It's pretty damn safe, gonna be massive for his footsies.

 

[Ffamran]

Also, I do not usually call 'top tier' on face value, but Ryu probably is. Does he have substantial invincibility on his Shoryuken in the air?

I think Shoryuken only has I-frames if you do the Shoryuken input and not the regular Up Special input.

 

[King Omega]

It slow enough to side step it. Only beginners will fall for that imo.

So is Shield Breaker. People still get hit by it in tournament.

 

[Nu~]

Marth can do a Fair in a SH without landing lag now.

 

[FullMoon]

GRENINJA'S FORWARD TILT IS BUFFED!

The whole animation is quicker (less startup and ending lag) and the damage is up to 7.3% from 6.5%.

Considering it already has awesome range I think this is a legitimately good move now. It's pretty damn safe, gonna be massive for his footsies.

Oh my god Greninja got buffed.

Is this reality

 

[Aquamentii]

Anybody know if they nerfed Ness at all?

 

[ama99]

Thoughts on Lucas so far?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth can do a Fair in a SH without landing lag now.

You mean like he could before?

BE SPECIFIC!!!!!!

 

[Ulevo]

I think Shoryuken only has I-frames if you do the Shoryuken input and not the regular Up Special input.

That does not answer my question.

 

[Superbat]

@ Shaya the god tho? He's always saying that if MK's forward tilt got buffed, He would be top tier. Victory is my destiny confirmed.

 

[Radical Larry]

Finally, Sheik's grab game is very unreliable for damage output. I love that Sheik's throws all deal 2% or 3% damage instead of 7% now. It also seems her attacks have taken a hit for knockback as well.

 

[hype machine]

Can't believe their nerfing diddy again, even though there are better characters than him that aren't getting nerfed. Diddy isn't broken, zero just mains him. I hope luigi, rosa, and shiek gets nerfed just as hard.

 

[exnecross]

Finally, Sheik's grab game is very unreliable for damage output. I love that Sheik's throws all deal 2% or 3% damage instead of 7% now. It also seems her attacks have taken a hit for knockback as well.

Wait.. Sheiks been nerfed a third time? Please tell me this isn't true.

 

[hype machine]

Finally, Sheik's grab game is very unreliable for damage output. I love that Sheik's throws all deal 2% or 3% damage instead of 7% now. It also seems her attacks have taken a hit for knockback as well.

Great now the matches will get long and boring.

 

[Comet7]

if sakurai is nerfing sheik and diddy he is just making the game even more boring since players won't be as willing to approach as before.

gg, sakurai, you're going to kill competitive sm4sh faster.

 

[6 g0d]

whats the damage on sheik prob nerfed a ton in gueseing

 

[|RK|]

Lol, Samurai watched ZeRo at the tournament like "nah, **** this."

 

[Nessimator]

Marth can do a Fair in a SH without landing lag now.

He could do that before anyways.

 

[Nu~]

Sheik still does the same amount of damage on throws. what are you talking about lol.

He could do that before anyways.

I shall see myself out

 

[Spirst]

Finally, Sheik's grab game is very unreliable for damage output. I love that Sheik's throws all deal 2% or 3% damage instead of 7% now. It also seems her attacks have taken a hit for knockback as well.

What in the hell are you talking about? Her throws do:
Uthrow 5%
Bthrow 7%
Fthrow 7%
Dthrow 6%