Brawl+ Ness (SEVENTEEN ****ETY THREE)

[GameSystem]

Simna, nice KO last stock of first match. I replayed it three times.

 

[thesage]

The vids are offline. I don't play online at all know (I physically cannot)

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

^_ ^

 

[GHNeko]

post the YT link on AiB Simna **** you >:V

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

AiB just fails to load soooo often

EDIT: also i have a bunch of them up on my aib profile

 

[Dajayman]

I should've saved some of my matches from this weekend since I played some B+. I'll be sure to save some replays from the B+ tournament coming up this weekend.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

VID!
Simna(Ness) vs. skstylez(CF)PC1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Bt4rRNX8Q

Nearly finished....looking over the last bit of video.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

making a list of things to get better at....help me add to it:
-Implement zapjump
-fine tune DjC use
-fine tune footstool use
-learn character recovery distances for better edgehog use

 

[shanus]

making a list of things to get better at....help me add to it:
-Implement zapjump
-fine tune DjC use
-fine tune footstool use
-learn character recovery distances for better edgehog use

You can use for dthrow DJC fair grab or utilt.

You can use more DJC uair utilt -> whatever

Also, my personal favorite. Dedicate a direction for reading a techchase and do 100% momentum reversals with DJC dair. Its omgwtfrape at techchasing and mindgaming.

 

[thesage]

Imma learn the brawl+ djc sometime...

 

[Deleted member]

meh its ok

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

not really to anything we are talking about now, but i find that consecutive untrue combo hits on an opponent that are close together(chronologically), while less reliable than true combos, have greater effect on your opponent's emotional state

 

[thesage]

Since a lot of Ness' aerials have really weird hitboxes, I like to shieldpoke with them. Bat is safe on shield. AC dair may be. Uair to jab combo works on shields.

Punish sidesteps with dair, fair, or d-tilt.

I know I b-throw a lot in the vids I uploaded, but d-throw is generally better. I just really don't want to mess up my grab game I have in melee...

 

[KOkingpin]

making a list of things to get better at....help me add to it:
-Implement zapjump
-fine tune DjC use
-fine tune footstool use
-learn character recovery distances for better edgehog use

1.) use Zap-jump for Recovery and High percentage Fair >>> Uair combo for kills. Zap-Jump Fair is like an impenetrable wall of sparkles.

2.) once you get used to it DJC is very easy. Be careful using DJC Fair without hitting the knock back hit boxes it does not leave the opponent in hit-stun so they can just jab away from you. You have to learn the timing of when that hitbox lands to make DJC Fair more useful. DJC Uair, Nair, and Bair are usually better options because Zap-Jump closes the gap when you knock them away.

3.) I have no input on Footstooling

4.)For a few characters (this is an easy peasy ledgeguard tech) just use psi magnet. Sheik cannot recover if you time psi magnet right. It also hella gimps kirby, ganon, and pretty much anyone else with a more vertical recovery

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

thanks....some of that was useful

just curious...did you watch my vids or were u giving general tips?

 

[CountKaiser]

You can use for dthrow DJC fair grab or utilt.

You can use more DJC uair utilt -> whatever

Also, my personal favorite. Dedicate a direction for reading a techchase and do 100% momentum reversals with DJC dair. Its omgwtfrape at techchasing and mindgaming.

What do you mean by momentum reversals? Jump one way, and then DJC the other way?

not really to anything we are talking about now, but i find that consecutive untrue combo hits on an opponent that are close together(chronologically), while less reliable than true combos, have greater effect on your opponent's emotional state

Stringing together 4 nairs is so **** satisfying, and it really throws of my opponents.

Though they still vehemently hold the belief that Ness is broken beyond belief.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

broken or not i think it will do your opponents good to learn to fight it and get better

them learning how to play better will only help everyone by advancing the metagame faster

 

[GHNeko]

Simna. Is it just me or do you wait for a while after your SH DJCs. >_>

 

[TerraScythe]

Broken Record

Though they still vehemently hold the belief that Ness is broken beyond belief.

Sounds like my mates as well.
Complaining Pk Fire is OP, I tell them to stop getting hit by it.

 

[GHNeko]

PK Fire has always been broken.

PK Fire > PK Fire > PK Fire. So unavoidable.

 

[Mattnumbers]

Tell them to tap the control stick away from it, that SDI will get them out.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

no johns, neko.

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

am i doing that too much? i try to only do that sometimes

 

[GHNeko]

no johns, neko.

...You do realize I main Marth and Mario right?

 

[Plum]

PK Fire has always been broken.

PK Fire > PK Fire > PK Fire. So unavoidable.

Don't even get me started about PK Fire... DDD's fat *** can't get out of that crap >.>

 

[GHNeko]

PK Fire nerf. 10% speed, 3x SDI capacity, 1% total.

 

[Mattnumbers]

Lucas PKF > Ness PKF

That's right

 

[GHNeko]

u trlln

Colon-Vee.

 

[Alphatron]

Don't even get me started about PK Fire... DDD's fat *** can't get out of that crap >.>

Ftilt and ditilt set off the pillar a dang safe distance away from DDD. Fsmash flat out outprioritizes the whole thing. No johns.

 

[Plum]

Ftilt and ditilt set off the pillar a dang safe distance away from DDD. Fsmash flat out outprioritizes the whole thing. No johns.

Except its fast enough to be used close enough where setting off the pillar still gets you caught in it. I would be perfectly okay if it was that fast, but what irks me is how hard it is to get out of, plus how much faster it is. I just sit there mashing my C-stick and Control stick as I hopelessly get burned and wait for Ness to decide what he wants to do with me.

Maybe its just because I'm such a fatty, but crap is crap, even if you do have methods of dealing with it. You can easily deal with Falco's lasers with practice, but they are still lolgood. Being able to deal with PK Fire doesn't change how stupidly good it seems to me.

PK Fire, Dthrow, and Fair... :V
Enough trolling from me though.

 

[thesage]

The Snake's I've been fighting don't have problems getting out of multiple pk fires =/

 

[Deleted member]

As if PK fire is easy to hit with in the first place :/

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

Another vid:
Simna(Ness) vs. skstylez(CF)PS1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xk8vQuaDlw

This might be the last one....gotta scour over the footage again to double check

 

[TerraScythe]

My 2 cents for PKFire would be to give it a few extra frames for cooldown and very slightly weaker.
This way the duration stuck in the flames is the same, but your opponent has a bit more time to DI out because of the increased cooldown on the move, and It's more punishable if you miss.
Also, they'll still cop a Bat or whatever when lured into a close PKFire.

Making the start of the move slower would ruin some mid% combos like NAir -> PKFire etc. And also reduce the effectiveness of luring enemies into a dash dance pk fire trap.

As for Fair... nvm... i was writing some ideas and they were all crap. No wonder it's so hard to balance that move.

 

[Dajayman]

Is it possible to give Ness his PSI sound from Melee and 64? You know when he does his dj, his specials, fair, and dash attack (Melee examples) it makes a "beep".

Putting a homerun sound for a tipper on the bat is possible, so is custom music. So I'd imagine this would be possible. Wouldn't you guys LOVE that sound to be back?

 

[[TSON]]

No it isn't. We can only use the SFX that's ingame. :V

Also, tell your Snake mains to toughen up. I know a big huge bunch of Snakes who can SDI out of my PK fire spam on WIFI.

Jeez <_<

 

[Rykoshet]

No it isn't. We can only use the SFX that's ingame. :V

Also, tell your Snake mains to toughen up. I know a big huge bunch of Snakes who can SDI out of my PK fire spam on WIFI.

Jeez <_<

He said we didnt have a problem getting out of PK fire, read better.

 

[[TSON]]

I was talking to I_Am_Plum

 

[GameSystem]

Here are some pk fire tricks I found a bit lulzy. Dair on the ground to pop them up, then midair pk fire them instead of w/e aerial you would have done, then when you land charge up pk flash to where they are SDI to get out. Another one is dair to pk fire and then wait at one side and footstool them when they get out and then pk fire them after the footstool but before they tech. Sometimes it works depending on how they DI. It's a funny string if the other guy doesn't escape right.

 

[thesage]

Dair to bat is an actual combo, but I've posted that several times. Works in melee too lol.

I find pk fire fairly easy to hit with. Maybe it's cuz you play vs. Kirby a lot delorted, from what I played vs. Chu, I found that it was hard to hit kirby with it.