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[dch111]

From what I've read, this tier list is more or less meant for players that are around the "5c" level.

So that would need to be noted on the smashwiki. In all seriousness, the tier list that's already on there is wayyy more accurate for probably 95% of SSB players.

It wouldn't need to be noted. The point of the page is that it's not meant to be reflective of 95% of ssb players, but rather of high level play.* That's why the current one is such a problem. It's misleading.

With no teching or di, Dair chains are completely broken at lower levels.

Then again, they wouldn't know djc. Falcon would be the superior stomper


*

This list is cited from a GameFAQs post and generally reflects the sentiments of top-level Super Smash Bros. players.

 

[DMoogle]

It wouldn't need to be noted. The point of the page is that it's not meant to be reflective of 95% of ssb players, but rather of high level play.* That's why the current one is such a problem. It's misleading.

OK but someone else said that it's not supposed to reflect the highest level of play either?

 

[PKNintendo]

Oh that's a shame.

That's like crushing my childhood dreams.
XD.

No johns.

 

[dch111]

Is there a list somewhere of the current normal btt and btp records? n64 high scores seems dated

 

[Grahf]

Does Isai still play online?

 

[Daedatheus]

Does Isai still play online?

Yes. He was livestreaming with some other players recently as well. He doesn't post online match videos anymore though.

 

[Mixtizo]

help

can someonr give me a link to the best super smash bros. emulator cause i keep getting and error message when i try to double click the game when the window pops up, i have to go to file>open ROM> then click on the game for it to work.

can anyone help me?

 

[asianaussie]

http://www.pj64-emu.com/downloads/
http://mupen64.emulation64.com/down.htm

Pick one of the two.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

most people use pj64, but if that doesn't work (i.e. vista), and you're too lazy to fix it (lots are), then mupen is used.

 

[NixxxoN]

The Project64/Vista issue is a MYTH that can easily be solved

 

[Grahf]

This guide helped me install project64k on my Vista

http://www.sitesled.com/members/myztek/index.html


It helped me with stopping the game from freezing and I think it had something to do with a .dll plugin that they re-direct you to download so it stops. Follow the guide perhaps.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

That's why I said if they have vista and are too lazy to fix it. Most people are simply too lazy.

 

[DMoogle]

Has anyone compiled a list of the frames it takes for each character to jump? How about grab?

I swear that some characters take longer to leave the ground and grab (even excluding the ranged grabbers) than others.

 

[Fireblaster]

Has anyone compiled a list of the frames it takes for each character to jump? How about grab?

I swear that some characters take longer to leave the ground and grab (even excluding the ranged grabbers) than others.

I believe ant-D said that all nongrapple grabs take 6 frames for the hitbox to come out, and that link and samus each take 17 and 27 frames respectively or somewhere around that.

For the jumps? There's definitely a difference. Usually if they're harder to shorthop with, it means they jump quicker.

 

[Gea]

Well you have an emulator, right? Shouldn't take more than half an hour tops to get frame data for jumps/grabs.

 

[ballin4life]

Link definitely takes longer to jump than captain falcon because I can button slide from jump to aerial with falcon but it doesn't work with Link because I'm pressing A before he actually leaves the ground.

 

[Daedatheus]

Every character has a jump animation, some shorter than others. For me Link's is the most noticeably longer one, if you aren't careful or in laggy online games, you might end up doing a jump-canceled upsmash instead of a shorthop uair, for one example.

 

[asianaussie]

I do that sometimes. I also manage to do cancelled up-Bs, but that's only when serious, serious lag hits.

 

[DMoogle]

OK so I just found out that that the vertical of Mario's and Luigi's up-b can be altered. It seems like if you HOLD right/left after you up-b, you'll go much more diagonally, and if you don't hold anything or press up/down, you'll go almost straight up vertically.

Am I correct? Does anyone have any other information about it?

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

you didn't know that?

 

[Smeagol]

I know this is a stupid question but I just got an xbox 360 controller and I want to know what controller plugin and what settings (deadzone, treshold, analog stick range) should I use in P64? Whats settings do you use?
With the default settings on both plugins it's kinda hard to tilt

 

[DMoogle]

you didn't know that?

I ALWAYS suspected it, but I never read it anywhere and never tested it myself until the other day.

There's still a ton of stuff about this game I don't know, learning something new every day. Just learned that Jigglypuff's d-air has a slight knockback without any landing lag if you don't z-cancel which is perfect for setting up u-smash finishes.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

I know this is a stupid question but I just got an xbox 360 controller and I want to know what controller plugin and what settings (deadzone, treshold, analog stick range) should I use in P64? Whats settings do you use?
With the default settings on both plugins it's kinda hard to tilt

most people set the deadzole at a level they find comfortable. Find a setting you like.

 

[Skrlx]

Regarding the locked ultimate cancel code thread we should create a "ssb64 gameshark code/glitch index" thread. In this thread all known codes and glitches for ssb64 are listed

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Yes we should. It would save alot of problems for when people ask for the 'Dark Blue Yoshi colour glitch', or 'Play 1p mode with p2 as human', or 'play bonus stage with the wrong character', etc.

 

[Tambor]

OK so I just found out that that the vertical of Mario's and Luigi's up-b can be altered. It seems like if you HOLD right/left after you up-b, you'll go much more diagonally, and if you don't hold anything or press up/down, you'll go almost straight up vertically.

Am I correct? Does anyone have any other information about it?

You are correct, but there's a third kind of Up+B. Press the opposite direction at the beginning of the jump to move even more in the vertical direction and even less horizontally. The timing is quite tricky because if you hold the opposite direction too long Mario/Luigi turn around and do the Up+B to the other side. You have four frames after the Up+B starts to do it which is quite possible for a human.
If done correctly you can jump from the floor to the second floor of the building in Hyrule Castle, which you can't when you only press Up/Down or nothing. (This is good to practice and feel the difference betweeen the jumps.)

I once recorded the vertical difference between all three kind of jumps for a friend, which he then uploaded on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oUs91xjRIU

 

[dch111]

The video says it's old...but I've never heard of it o_O These tech lists really need to be updated.

I swear there must be like ten different extended things I've found out about kept semi-hidden

 

[Tambor]

The video says it's old...but I've never heard of it o_O These tech lists really need to be updated.

Well, old for us.
Remember Smash is played worldwide. Some communities are just bigger than others.

 

[DMoogle]

The Smash Wiki has some information that you won't find in the FAQs and techniques list.

 

[SheerMadness]

WHat

How do I get Dark Blue Yoshi??

 

[asianaussie]

You are correct, but there's a third kind of Up+B. Press the opposite direction at the beginning of the jump to move even more in the vertical direction and even less horizontally. [/url]

I pull this off unwittingly with Luigi's Up-B when I use it as a finisher.

I can never, ever get it when I try.

 

[dch111]

The Smash Wiki has some information that you won't find in the FAQs and techniques list.

True, but it's not really that helpful
http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Techniques_(SSB)
and definitely doesn't have info on something as advanced as what Tambor mentioned.

The stuff I've found through these boards (not just wenbobular's outdated list) is much more comprehensive. Not only that but smash wiki sometimes gives the wrong information (see "ceiling tech") and in many definitions mixes things you can do in melee with things you can do in SSB (I can only imagine how frustrated people who learn just using smash wiki become when they try to follow the instructions for SHHFLing here: http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Short_hop_fast_fall_l-cancel) )

Oh, I knew about adjusting mario and luigi's upB by aiming the control stick in respective ways...that's old, even for me. But in all my time poring over these boards, youtube, gamefaqs, and even archived versions of defunct sites, I've never seen their cool special extended vertical upB. The smash index doesn't get you to the really good stuff (essentially it just leads you to Isai videos and antdgar's TAS videos, perhaps ironically since the learning smasher won't be able to imitate either).

 

[NixxxoN]

WHat

How do I get Dark Blue Yoshi??

IIRC, its VS Mode > player number > color modifier, but im not sure

You can use both pink and dark blue yoshi from the yoshi battle on 1P mode

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Short Hop Fast Fall Lag-Cancel, commonly abbreviated as "SHFFL" (pronounced like the word "shuffle"), is a combination of advanced techniques that, for most characters, results in the quickest and least laggy way to jump and perform an aerial from the ground in Super Smash Bros. and Super Smash Bros. Melee.

Outside of Melee

SHFFLing is impossible in the original Smash Bros (64). You cannot fast fall during your initial short hop, so this technique has little to no use. Short hop aerials (without fast fall) are generally favoured.

lol at how SmashWiki contradicts itself

 

[ssbkid~]

Can anyone help me find a specific gameshark code?
I'm looking for a code that makes a stage in the stage select screen load up battlefield and mario's metal stage.
Help would be much appreciated.

 

[dch111]

Just wondering...is the reason why you can do Usmash and UpB out of shield because you're buffering them? (Jump-canceling the shield, then converting it to an attack before the pre-jump animation is over). It may also explain why you can do Usmash and UpB in the middle of a dash, and why it's only up-attacks that get this privilege.

 

[DMoogle]

I never thought of it that way but you're almost certainly correct.

 

[asianaussie]

lol at how SmashWiki contradicts itself

I changed it

 

[dch111]

Does anything else auto-cancel besides DK's Uair on the lowest Hyrule platform?

 

[Nybb]

Does anything else auto-cancel besides DK's Uair on the lowest Hyrule platform?

You can also do it on Peach's castle in the middle and on both of the lower platforms on Dreamland.

Edit: Whoa, I totally misread your question. I don't think any other characters autocancel as perfectly as DK, although I'm not positive.