Social 7th Heaven - Cloud Social Thread

[GHNeko]

not too impressive from what i've seen but idk for sure. i've been paying attention to melee looooooooooool

 

[KittyKyat]

M2K's cloud is basic af.

Where are you guys watchin' it?

 

[JesseMcCloud]

Page 101, baby!

It's ok, Wonder Red... you're still in Smash... in my heart...

 

[GHNeko]

3 clouds and 1 villager in doubles

these matches are so ****ing ridiculous lmfao

Where are you guys watchin' it?

http://twitchster.tv/acfe1/

 

[Deleted member]

Has anyone seen M2K's

I don't know if anyone else has been watching the genesis stream today but Cloud has done great today.

I saw it and it's just... OK. Like GHNeko said, his Cloud is kinda basic from what I've seen. He really loves camping with Limit Charge and goes in when he wants to.

He was eliminated from what I've heard.

How is Cloud repping at Genesis?

Not too good...
Could be better.

 

[Julesimanerd]

Not too good...
Could be better.

Really? I'm actually pretty surprised, I see a lot of Cloud on FG. Thats interesting, That bums me out because Cloud is one of my new mains (Cloud and Sonic woot!) and I hoped to see how more pro players plays as him, he's still relatively new so maybe that's why/

 

[The_Cardinal]

Not too good...
Could be better.

The Japanese Clouds are still doing pretty well if I'm correct. Rain is in loser's top 32 and Komorikiri is still in I think, although both are not solo Cloud mains. And this is nothing to say of doubles, where Cloud is putting in mad work, with one sitting in WF currently and the double Cloud team sitting in Loser's Quarters.

 

[GHNeko]

finishing touch team combos op

lololol

 

[KittyKyat]

finishing touch team combos op

lololol

Speaking of Finishing Touch, I got a finishing touch windbox kill earlier today.

I'm still laughing how I did it and then just spiked him with a Climhazzard to finish the game. lol

 

[GHNeko]

the tr4sh stream chat is so bad.

stream monsters and horrible players talking about double cloud being op lmfao

 

[Kuraudo]

Double Cloud IS OP, dude. it's such a high/top tier team. Cloud is fairing very well here at Genesis 3. Sheik is obviously going to still do well, but there have been a lot of upsets so far.

 

[GHNeko]

How is double cloud OP?

Are you sure its just not a new gimmick that no one is familiar with?

 

[-m0]

finishing touch team combos op

lololol

I cant watch it D: can you tell me wat happened?

 

[GHNeko]

I cant watch it D: can you tell me wat happened?

basically 2 japanese players are camping limit break in doubles and when they get the chance they grab an opponent and throw them into the other cloud and that cloud uses finishing touch to kill the opponent at fairly low percents.

its absolutely hilarious and a very good strat.

it seems like a lot of players are treating cloud in doubles like cloud in singles and that's very obviously not the case because cloud's weaknesses are being masked heavily by a partner in doubles lol.

 

[GHNeko]

Zero controlled the floor with Nairo controlling the air.

They treated both clouds as a single entity and controlled the match very reliably.

 

[Skyfox2000]

I saw it and it's just... OK. Like GHNeko said, his Cloud is kinda basic from what I've seen. He really loves camping with Limit Charge and goes in when he wants to.

Yeah, he does seem to camp limit charging. I still like how M2K plays him lol. I honestly didn't think M2K played Smash 4 alot lol.

 

[GHNeko]

M2K said he was gonna focus more on Smash 4 for Genesis but he's still primarily melee it seems.

 

[Kuraudo]

Komorikiri & Ranai are rocking the Cloud and Villager. Any Cloud on a team is a dangerous one.

 

[Skyfox2000]

Komorikiri & Ranai are rocking the Cloud and Villager. Any Cloud on a team is a dangerous one.

and is a really REALLY Great team. Cloud did really well.

 

[GHNeko]

So I think the reason why Fsmash is so damn strong is not because of the last hit, but because the first 2 hits can add between 5-7% to the enemy, and that's a fairly big jump for the final hit which does 12-13%.

So if your opponent was at like 65% when you hit them with fsmash then they're gonna be at 70-72% when the final 12-13% comes in which brings them to 82-85%.

Most of my early fsmash kills come when the first 2 hits are there; not when i clip just the 3rd one.


Also Komoriki is not the MVP. Ranai is.

Finishing Touch had a fairly strong impact but really only because of Ranai.

 

[KittyKyat]

and is a really REALLY Great team. Cloud did really well.

Best Zoner for free Limit Breaks.


no tears

 

[Kuraudo]

Noooo. Komorikiri got beat by Marss 3-0. I lost hype for Genesis 3.

Only not really. Still a bummer.

 

[GHNeko]

Damn did he really?

That sucks.

If there are no more clouds then I guess I'm not watching Smash 4 anymore except for Ranai.

 

[Random4811]

M2K's cloud is basic af.

This.

I've been saying this since I saw m2k's cloud videos, but everybodys like "he's so good with cloud omg"

He doesnt hardly take advantage of Cloud's tools. His cloud looks like my day 5 Cloud, honestly. His performance with the character is entirely due to his inherent skill at Smash.

 

[GHNeko]

Yeah when you have dank af normals, then your performance looks good if you're good at a game lol.

 

[Random4811]

Yeah when you have dank af normals, then your performance looks good if you're good at a game lol.

perty much

 

[HFlash]

Guys um.... Komorikiri broke top 32 playing mostly Cloud... in a tournament that has over 1000 entrants. For being a character that is barely a month old, that's fantastic. His tournament results have come in alot quicker than any of the other DLC characters by a long shot (Cloud is inherently easier to play than Ryu, but still). People are saying that Cloud can't be that good because of his recovery (and how exploitable it is vs. Shiek), but a month in, and our boy already doing work. Add to the fact that no American player (aside M2K I guess) has really invested into the character yet. I'm pleased with his results in G3 (Cloud I mean).

 

[Emblem Lord]

Cloud did amazing.

All of you are just ****ing spoiled by the age we live in and want instant results.

 

[Lyled]

Guys um.... Komorikiri broke top 32 playing mostly Cloud... in a tournament that has over 1000 entrants. For being a character that is barely a month old, that's fantastic. His tournament results have come in alot quicker than any of the other DLC characters by a long shot (Cloud is inherently easier to play than Ryu, but still). People are saying that Cloud can't be that good because of his recovery (and how exploitable it is vs. Shiek), but a month in, and our boy already doing work. Add to the fact that no American player (aside M2K I guess) has really invested into the character yet. I'm pleased with his results in G3 (Cloud I mean).

Yep totally agree with you. I'm greedy and hoping for even better results but it's great that there is Cloud rep in top 32.

It's great that one of Japan's top players is picking him up as a main. Will definitely help move his metagame along a lot faster. It's a pity that there aren't any top players in the America trying to put in work with him other than maybe Tweek (he's really good but don't really consider him a top player).

 

[HFlash]

Cloud did amazing.

This is the TLDR of my earlier post haha.

And

Yep totally agree with you. I'm greedy and hoping for even better results but it's great that there is Cloud rep in top 32.

It's great that one of Japan's top players is picking him up as a main. Will definitely help move his metagame along a lot faster. It's a pity that there aren't any top players in the America trying to put in work with him other than maybe Tweek (he's really good but don't really consider him a top player).

You also have M2K, but he is sort of Sonicfying the way Cloud is being perceived (Cloud shouldn't necessarily play quite as defensively as M2K does it). When LB cancelling, d throw follow ups (yes, there are some things you can do with it) and kill set ups get more refined, I would be surprised if Cloud isn't regarded a top 10 character, particularly if we can nail down the Shiek MU.

 

[Lyled]

This is the TLDR of my earlier post haha.

And



You also have M2K, but he is sort of Sonicfying the way Cloud is being perceived (Cloud shouldn't necessarily play quite as defensively as M2K does it). When LB cancelling, d throw follow ups (yes, there are some things you can do with it) and kill set ups get more refined, I would be surprised if Cloud isn't regarded a top 10 character, particularly if we can nail down the Shiek MU.

Well yeah but I feel M2K doesn't join much tourneys for Smash 4 to be considered a top player for Smash 4. He has amazing fundamentals though. He'd definitely do great if he puts in more time in Smash 4.

 

[Deleted member]

After some thinking... I am going to main Cloud now. I'm having a lot of fun with him and I am doing pretty well with him. It was honestly a tough decision since I'm a Luigi loyalist... but I will still main him as well.

Guys um.... Komorikiri broke top 32 playing mostly Cloud... in a tournament that has over 1000 entrants. For being a character that is barely a month old, that's fantastic. His tournament results have come in alot quicker than any of the other DLC characters by a long shot (Cloud is inherently easier to play than Ryu, but still). People are saying that Cloud can't be that good because of his recovery (and how exploitable it is vs. Shiek), but a month in, and our boy already doing work. Add to the fact that no American player (aside M2K I guess) has really invested into the character yet. I'm pleased with his results in G3 (Cloud I mean).

I think that this is pretty amazing news and, no matter the results that come today, Cloud did pretty amazing here. Having a Cloud player in the top 32 and having a double Cloud team get pretty far (proving that Cloud can be scary in doubles), I think people will re-evaluate Cloud as a serious threat.

 

[BlueX]

Cloud could be considered a threat if we do keep getting positive results but it really depends what happens in the future and how match ups work.

It is great to hear about what happened at Genesis 3 though.

 

[Julesimanerd]

glad to hear Cloud is killing it. Now the question is will Bayonetta kill it? Interested to see how she plays out in tourneys

Salty Players that lose to Cloud be like

 

[Virum]

This.

I've been saying this since I saw m2k's cloud videos, but everybodys like "he's so good with cloud omg"

He doesnt hardly take advantage of Cloud's tools. His cloud looks like my day 5 Cloud, honestly. His performance with the character is entirely due to his inherent skill at Smash.

But this is the thing with Smash 4 in general. Fundamentals still reign supreme above all else in this game, particularly if you're using a character with the frame data and tools to succeed (Cloud imo is definitely one of those characters). The fact that M2K's 'basic' Cloud was able to make it to top 64 of one of the largest and probably the most stacked Smash 4 tournaments to date is a testament to this imo. There were probably Clouds more aware of or proficient with his more niche tech and setups that drowned in pools simply because they lacked the fundamental skills in areas like spacing, timing and situational awareness to go the extra mile in this game.

These, imo, are the skills us Smash 4 players need to prioritise in order to truly succeed. Tech skill and setups in this game should be an extension as opposed to a priority.

My apologies for going off on a tangent, just thought this should be addressed :]

 

[GHNeko]

Nah it's fine.

I think we're just pointing out that M2K's cloud is basic; but there is nothing inherently wrong with that.

He's still godlike.

 

[Zenithia]

Yeah, and there's really no harm in having a basic Cloud. He was only released a month ago and it'll take some time for players like M2K to even know how to utilize him well.

 

[KittyKyat]

Yeah, and there's really no harm in having a basic Cloud. He was only released a month ago and it'll take some time for players like M2K to even know how to utilize him well.

Hopefully in a few months people utilize him to his full potential and we get some neat stuff.

Edit: In other news, I'm proud to say I went 1-5 in Smashladder with Cloud. RIP me and my goofy mistakes.

 

[-m0]

So I just played a couple games as Shulk.

Then I went back to Cloud. Jesus Christ, you feel so FREE! So fast! Better aerials! Such airspeed! Fast killmoves! LMAO
Also this was my first time playing as FFVII Cloud. The sword looks so different in his attacks...

 

[KittyKyat]

So I just played a couple games as Shulk.

Then I went back to Cloud. Jesus Christ, you feel so FREE! So fast! Better aerials! Such airspeed! Fast killmoves! LMAO
Also this was my first time playing as FFVII Cloud. The sword looks so different in his attacks...

I feel kinda the same way, but I do feel some sentimental value towards Shulk. I might have grown up with Cloud and play him much more often, but I do love Shulk's MArts, MALLC, and his game.

Cloud still feels much better lately though.