EbonyRubberWolf
Banned via Warnings
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- Jul 25, 2010
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RosalinaX may be wrong, but the math behind it makes sense. Ivy/Squirtle are gone, I would like to think we can agree on that. Snake is also probably gone, given that Kojima stated well after Sakurai had finalized the roster that he had not been contacted for Snake's use yet. Gematsu, which so far as been proved utterly and totally correct, states that Lucas is likely to go. So yes, there are four cuts. Since Gematsu had a third release that did not mention any newcomers, despite the prior two having done so(and the second part coming out after RosaLuma's reveal so there was no point to leak her), suggests that the newcomers remaining to be confirmed on the leak are it. Can we agree on this? If so, then let's move on to the next part of my reasoning.The thing that he doesn't mention very often is that he's combining Gematsu with the Rosalina X leak, which doesn't really have any positive evidence for it. That's where he gets his figure of four cuts.
Hmmmm... So I guess I can expect you to stick around if the 47 character roster you propose is wrong too, eh?
Technically I consider the Mii Fighters to be three characters that are highly similar in appearance and "flavor". But they are three complete, distinct move sets. No, distinct customizable specials do not make them equivalent of 9 characters. Special moves are just 4 moves out of a few dozen moves in a typical move set.
There are also smashes, tilts, jab combo, dash attack, aerials, throws, ledge attacks, Final Smash. For attacks. There are also taunts and dodges. And of course there are also basic movements like walking, dashing, jumping. ledge grabbing, etc. Each Mii Fighter (and Palutena) presumably has a unique set of those that does not change with customization. They share some aspects of their models. But I doubt they even share that much of their animations, as the gun and especially the sword prevent them from having exact copies of the brawler's animations.
They won't even be connected in the way that Zelda/Sheik, Samus/ZSS and Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard were - as far as we know, you cannot swap between the three types of Mii Fighter within a match. They're one character as far as "flavor" (they're all Mii Fighter), and likely as far as slots on the CSS... but mechanically they are very clearly distinct.
Anyway, I don't expect them to have three slots on the character select screen. And that's what we're speculating on here, of course.
He said as many specials as 9 characters. Which is true only if you mean totally distinct specials anyway, since all characters have customizable moves...
Those four cuts from Brawl's roster make the remaining 11 fit to the 3 unrevealed leak characters as well as the 33 currently known cast. This then places the roster at 47. Random is known to have a spot thanks to the Smashfest demo, so this puts the total cells at 48. Since there are no newcomers being leaked anymore by Gematsu, and Gematsu has really been the only leak worth following, we can probably assume(until proven otherwise) that there are no further newcomers to be revealed. Sakurai doesn't control the leaks, so he can't design around it. RosaLuma beat Gematsu to the punch, but the rest are nakedly revealed now. This line of thought only remains intact until someone shows up that would break it. That means if any of the Venerated Four(or anyone outside of the Gematsu Three) show up, then Gematsu is incomplete information. This has yet to happen, and there is no reason to think it will happen.
This also lines up with Sakurai's philosophy as far as roster numbers. He doesn't like overlarge rosters and believes that Smash is rapidly reaching its maximum capacity. To be honest, 47 characters in a fighting game is a huge roster, so I don't blame him one bit for thinking this. The happy coincidence that 48 cells works perfectly on both systems also suggests a degree of legitimacy to the thought.
There's only three X-factors in play here, and they all have to do with Gematsu. RosaLuma's lack of reveal, the ambiguity on whether Gematsu covers Brawl and Melee veterans(the Mewtwo factor), and the lack of any acknowledgement of any actual character being cut aside from Lucas. The RosaLuma 'miss' as people like to term it could be a legitimate lack of information or it could just have been Ninty beating Gematsu to the punch as far as revealing her, there's no way to tell easily. The leak not mentioning Rosalina in the second part may have been because, since she was already revealed, there was no need to show that the leak had her. As far as Melee characters and the cuts go, they may again lack information, there may not be cuts(which would be confusing to say the least), or the leaker may have determined that, at the time of the leak, the evidence was clear enough that there was no need to illustrate that those characters were being cut(Ivy/Squirt's removal all but outright stated in the Charizard reveal and transformations being removed, and Snake's removal apparent from Kojima's statement). Since nothing had surfaced to this point that suggested Lucas was getting the axe, the leaker determined it would be prudent to inform Sal of that development. Since the leaker also did not reveal Mewtwo's fate, it could be that the status quo is being maintained(his absence) or the leaker may not have had access to that information. Given their apparent knowledge of the Ness/Lucas debate, this stance is questionable. If that veterancy was known to have been threatened, how could a returning veteran from Melee go overlooked?
Because of the trickling nature of the leak and its ambiguity, it's difficult to pin down exactly what the final picture will be, however there is, I believe, very strong evidence for 47 + Random not just from the leak but from other circumstances, such as the layout of the screen, the number of likely cuts, and the lack of any information or even hinting on non-Gematsu newcomers. Thus my crusade for it. It's all lining up too well not to be acknowledged, and there just needs to be a 'R.O.B. moment' like with the 35-character roster where everyone realizes it. I'm not exactly sure what that will be unless Gematsu gets much more specific or other airtight evidence surfaces one way or the other.
