Wiseguy
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Update! And please forgive my double post.
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Prepare to be Astounded One Last Time: Wiseguy’s Brawl Predictions THE FINAL VERSION!
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I'll do a simple list for all the (pretty much) confirmed characters and some comments on the more interesting ones then.
Confirmed: Mario, Link, Wario, Kirby, MetaKnight, Fox, Samus, ZSamus, Pikachu, Pit, Snake (11)
Practically confirmed: Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Zelda -TP, WW Link, Ganondorf -TP, Jigglypuff, Captain Falcon, Yoshi, Ness, King DeDeDe, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Sonic. (14)
Right, that sums up about the 25 or so pretty much dead certainties. If anyone by now doesn't think that Young Link will get replaced by WW Link or that they'll not include the most universally sought after 3rd party character Sonic or STILL disagree that Diddy Kong will get into Brawl, I even disgustingly saw some idiot put him on the "Worst Character Suggestions" yesterday, then there's no hope for ye.
Right so up next are the "Not So Controversial but Debatable" picks.
StarFox: Krystal, Wolf (2)
Falco = gone. With an underpresentation of villains and females both taking priority on the list I see no reason to include Falco above either Krystal and Wolf and with limited production time I believe there to be far greater choices than including Falco along with these 2 nobrainers. While I guess I could've placed them under "practically confirmed" I think there's far more of a divided opinion surrounding the whole "Falco and Wolf", "Wolf and Krystal" or "Falco and Krystal" than there is for say...King DeDeDe. Still, 3 is a good number of representatives for StarFox and if someone is gonna not be added to Brawl it'll be Falco.
Mario: Bowser Jr. (1)
Changed my mind on Toad. Maybe it was the thought of Toadsworth being included as a playable character. Maybe it's the fact that Bowser Jr. has a paintbrush, allowing a more unique moveset. It was probably the Toadsworth thing. Anyway, if Toad does turn up in Brawl and not Bowser Jr. after I've been convinced that he won't, there's gonna be hell to pay.
Donkey Kong: King. K. Rool (1)
Pretty much another no brainer, only thing which stops him from being a practically confirmed is the choice between him and Dixie Kong for the 3rd DK spot. King K. Rool as the main recurring DK villain though just has so much more going for him than a 3rd Kong could, and since Diddy is going to be the small, fast and light addition to the DK roster I can't imagine anything but Dixie playing more or less the same way. For those that say Dixie will be added in along with Diddy Kong a la Ice Climbers I say:
No.
Right.
Zelda: Midna, Imp form (1)
I would love to see Skull Kid in, I really honestly would, but it's just not going to happen. There are plenty of arguments for him but he'd really have to put up one hell of a fight to beat out the wave of popularity that Midna is surfing right now. She might appear again, none of us can be certain that she's gone forever considering her wide fanbase but with TP being the best Zelda since OOT I can't imagine that she wouldn't be in to rep it. Imp form is for me is far more inventive than the Twili form and Midna's best representation will be the form she was in for all but 2 minutes of TP, the Imp form. She'll be able to whack people with her hair and probably resort to using dark magic to fill in the gaps in the moveset, it'll be a stretch but Sakurai and the gang will get it right I'm sure. My main concern though is the grab move, Midna grabs them with the hair...and then what? Spits in their eye for 1%? Who knows, let's find out in 6 months time!
Pikmin: Captain Olimer! (you knew this was coming Wiseguy
) (1)An incredible franchise and so many limitless possiblities for a unique moveset created from the original Pikmin idea. To those who don't know the premise behind Pikmin I don't believe Wiseguy explained it in enough depth. This is pretty much how Pikmin started:
You're a tiny guy called Olimar and you crashland on this planet, ship gets destroyed and you need to recover the pieces. But they're scattered everywhere, so how do you do it? Well, you start off by enslaving a race of tiny flower people called Pikmin by abusing their good nature and literally throwing them at things to get your dirty work done. Now Pikmin aren't in high supply (for some reason) so in order to get more Pikmin you take a little army of them and literally gang-attack the local native creatures and upon killing them haul back their corpses to your base to make more Pikmin. All done with beautiful graphics, awesome attention to detail and pretty intuitative controls. I urge you to go buy it now.
In Pikmin 2 there's up to 5 different kind of Pikmin: red (fire), blue (water) and yellow (lightning high-jumpers) from 1, purple (really really heavy) and white (albino poisonous) from 2. They could be used in so many different ways to make a really awesome moveset.
Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus (2)
Simply said, 2 of the best and coolest villain candidates for Brawl and the only other people really that should be in Brawl to represent the series. Ridley can be scaled down and his unique attributes to create an awesome moveset, go check out the Ridley Support Thread http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=72211&page=93 for a competant moveset proving this. Dark Samus can be added in without making it (saying her just wouldn't be right) a Samus clone as it has unique moves (unlike Link and Dark Link) and would offer a drastically different playstyle than a Dark Samus Samus-clone would.
Pokemon: Mewtwo, Lucario (2)
Mewtwo I want to return. He's actually one of the very limited number of Pokemon I actually care about to some extent and his representation in Melee was an utter disgrace. When it comes down to it the last slot is open for some 4th Generation rep (there might be upwards of 5 Pokemon in Brawl, but I'm hoping not) and it's a popularity contest between Deoxys and Lucario and Lucario wins. If there is a 5th slot for Pokemon it will go to Deoxys but as much uniqueness as he would offer (so I've read) it seems Lucario comes out on top.
Fire Emblem: Ike, Black Knight (2)
After much internal debating I think these two might possibly have the best shot as being included in Brawl. As much as letting Marth go saddens me it wouldn't be a complete tragedy or anything and to be honest the Black Knight sounds more fun to play as long as they don't screw him up. Plus I actually wouldn't want 2 blue haired FE guys in there really, and Ike will definitely get the spot ahead of Marth due to being a world wide rep. I'm sort of hoping for 3 FE spots but I can't really see it happening.
Mother: Poo (1)
His name fills me with dread considering the inconsistant maturity of the Smash Bros. community but as long as I don't have to communicate online with a bunch of 12-14 year olds making Poo jokes I'm more than happy to include this would-be solid addition to the roster.
Additional 3rd Party: Megaman
I know Zero won't happen ahead of the classic blue bomber himself but I can always hope, he's just much more of a cool character really. Just to clarify this is Megaman I am actually putting down for Brawl and would be a welcome addition as the 3rd 3rd party slot, which is just the right number for me
. Would have a pretty cool moveset, although with Zero having a sword as well as a buster his options are a bit more open, but again classic Megaman seems to be the general consensus.My last slot? There's so many characters that I'd like it to go to really, practically any of the Tales of Symphonia cast (but Kratos or Lloyd if i have to be choosey), Ol' Nookie from Animal Crossing, Geno, Game and Watch, Mach Rider or even NiGHTs. But at the end of the day I'm going to allow myself one unrealistic character choice in this awesome list and go for a pick close to my heart.
I'm of course talking about the one and only:
Commander Kahn
The headhoncho behind the greatest team in the world, these guys solve everyone's problems through rhythmic dancing. Such a great potential moveset, already great costume choices and a series that desperately deserves some representation. EBA is the best DS game of '06, fact. It's so **** fun and addictive and all it needs is a bit of franchise rep luvin' and soon the world will be full of Luvin' Machines (highest rank on EBA). It's a franchise that DESERVES the spot, more than almost any other. Only problem I'll have is if this list comes true...to main Olimar or Kahn? I'd be grateful just to have the choice.
Wiseguy
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Agreed on all counts - esspecially Diddy. Only crazy people don't want the most famous monkey in videogames to to make his long awaited Brawl debute.
I can to this very same conclusion (including Wolf and Krystal, cutting Falco) and only just got around to changing it (I figured since I was adding another character I might as well make that change now). It just goes to show, great minds think alike.
Toad over Baby Bowser? Here's where the deabte starts...
Toad was certainly a major player in the Mario series back in the day, but in recent years he has gradually lost relevance. In high profile Mario games like Mario Sunshine and Mario and Luigi RPG, the Toad character once beloved by Mario fans has been replaced by Peach's new minion: Toadsworth and an army of generic "Toads" which are indistinguishable from one another. On the other hand, Baby Bowser has become an important reaccuring character, appearing as the main villian in Sunshine and New Super Mario Bros. Toad still has the potential for a unique moveset, to be sure, but a paint brush weilding character just seems to have far more potential, in my opinion.
Double agree.
Interesting choice. If done correctly, Wolf Link/Midna could be an incredibly unique character. In your opinion, would this be a Link transformation like Zero Suit Samus or occupy its own spot on the character roster?
That has to be the best synopsis for Pikmin I've ever read. Well done.Pikmin: Captain Olimer! (you knew this was coming Wiseguy
An incredible franchise and so many limitless possiblities for a unique moveset created from the original Pikmin idea. To those who don't know the premise behind Pikmin I don't believe Wiseguy explained it in enough depth. This is pretty much how Pikmin started:
You're a tiny guy called Olimar and you crashland on this planet, ship gets destroyed and you need to recover the pieces. But they're scattered everywhere, so how do you do it? Well, you start off by enslaving a race of tiny flower people called Pikmin by abusing their good nature and literally throwing them at things to get your dirty work done. Now Pikmin aren't in high supply (for some reason) so in order to get more Pikmin you take a little army of them and literally gang-attack the local native creatures and upon killing them haul back their corpses to your base to make more Pikmin. All done with beautiful graphics, awesome attention to detail and pretty intuitative controls. I urge you to go buy it now.
In Pikmin 2 there's up to 5 different kind of Pikmin: red (fire), blue (water) and yellow (lightning high-jumpers) from 1, purple (really really heavy) and white (albino poisonous) from 2. They could be used in so many different ways to make a really awesome moveset.
I want Olimar in Brawl more than any other character. It must happen. It will happen. So let it be written, so let it be done.
Having both major villians from the Metroid series would be a dream come true. I too see the potential for an original Dark Samus moveset, although I'm a bit concerned that Sakurai will disregard the character entirly due to the relative unpopularity of the Metroid series in Japan. I personally see a clone as more likely, but an original moveset would be preferable.
I really wouldn't bother me to see Mewtwo return, if that's what the Pokemon fanbase wants. If I had to guess, I'd say Deoxys is the liklier candidate, but I could see it going either way.
FINALLY! I think you're the first person on Smashboards to agree with me on the Brawl Fire Emblem roster! I'm glad someone agrees that the Black Knight would make a great addition.
Don't worry. For I while there, I thought that people would never stop making lame jokes about the name "Wii". Now the name is as common as saying "toaster".
Yep. People do love their Megaman. I just hope they take the time to make his drastcially different from Samus.Additional 3rd Party: Megaman
I know Zero won't happen ahead of the classic blue bomber himself but I can always hope, he's just much more of a cool character really. Just to clarify this is Megaman I am actually putting down for Brawl and would be a welcome addition as the 3rd 3rd party slot, which is just the right number for me
I have seen the light! Admiral Bobbery for Brawl!My last slot? There's so many characters that I'd like it to go to really, practically any of the Tales of Symphonia cast (but Kratos or Lloyd if i have to be choosey), Ol' Nookie from Animal Crossing, Geno, Game and Watch, Mach rider or even NiGHTs. But at the end of the day I'm going to allow myself one unrealistic character choice in this awesome list and go for a pick close to my heart.
I'm of course talking about the one and only:
Admiral Bobbery
The best side-kick ever designed in the history of videogaming, this cheeky chap is brimming with character and style. From being a "salty old sea captain" to having a huge bushy moustache and a ship wheel on his back which turns as he walks, this lovable guy literally explodes himself as an attack and has good damage and the highest hp of your sidekicks in Paper Mario 2: The Thousand Year Door. This candidate lacks nothing, except maybe arms, but for that he makes up in explosions and style. His "Appeal" move (to the crowd) is even a little chime, a wink and a self explosion. Bobbery for Brawl!
Overall, great roster. If this was revealed to be the final roster, I wouldn't complain.
9.5/10
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Well I'm just relized that contrary to popular opinion Mario and Link are returning, along with that gooey bomb thing!
(say fuzzypickles)Do your worst.
HAHA I bet you don't get it! 
Well that is debateable, but unless Bowser Jr. is the star of another important Mario game (like he was in Suncshine and New SMB), then I could see him, but other than that his chances are only decent. Also Yoshi and Wario are sort of considered Mario characters, even if both of them have branched off very well.
DKC 3:Dixie Kong's Double Trouble!!=can you tell she stared it=? She's more requested than K Rool, and if you look onSakurai's poll, I think she did far better than him. We'd get similar results here in NA, and in Europe as well. She's another monkey, but she could have some awsome combo and special attacks that would be easily original.
I expect 3 clones at most, any more and I'm disappointed. I don't expect to see anymore, and IMO those 3 will be great characters who work very well.
Ya I know, but they got Nintendo, and several 1st and 2nd party compaines under Nintendo to help them. This is Nintendo's biggest project, and probably biggest Wii title the Wii will EVER see.
Dark Samus is minimally like Samus, plus I'm sure the F-Zero fans wouldn't want to get overhyped because their main man Samurai Goroh made it, and then find out he's a clone. Still, I won't be surprised if Wolf is a clone of Fox, Deoxys is a clone of Mewtwo, or any other not as popular characters are clones off other characters.
Google image search, I would be mad at you, but I use you too much to be mad at you!Don't blame me, blame google image search.
Although I don't have tremendously strong feelings about Mewtwo or deoxys, I do think that including as many new characters as possible is a must. Unfortunatly, that means characters like Mewtwo (who was big in the anime', from what I here, but no longer that important in the games) will likely be replaced.
Ya, but in several polls in Japan, many fans have wanted Mewtwo to return, a lot stronger. He's the strongest Pokemon after all, but he sucked in Melee, and he needs REDEMPTION! Deoxys will probably be a clone, or a luigified clone of some sort as I am guessing. Also, expect Pokemon to have 5 slots, the series is basically as big as it was when Red, Blue, and Yellow eversion came out, so I see no reason why we'd get more LOZ characters than Pokemon.
I think that might be because they are the same character, one in the poweer suit, one in the Zero suit. I'm hoping Zamus and Samus are two diffrent character slots, because Samus players would be mad as hell if they're Bdown goes down the drain, and I don't want them to have a advantage over us by using transoform for mindgames. That is the one thing I hated about Shiek/Zelda.
But Wolf is one of the most wanted characters for Brawl, and is the main villian. Metroid sold only a bit better, and SF is almost as popular as Metroid, so the 3 or 4 character thing is debateable. Still, Wolf and Krystal are probably up there in the 10 most desired characters for Brawl, so I see no reason to not include them. I think, however Falco will be somewhat Luigified, and Wolf will probably get a diffrent gun, along with 1 or 2 original moves, but will overall be a Fox clone.
But he was Japan's most diesred character for Melee, and I don't think Sakurai wants to disappoint Japan, now does he=? Sure, we'll get characters from western series, like Metroid and F-Zero, so why not give him another round=?
I don't see BK, he isn't that important to the series. I see only Fire Lord, which doesn't leave too many character possibilities. Besides, there are characters that are 5 times as important to the series as the BK, such as all the Fire Lords, and a few others. So ya, I think we'll see a FL only Fire Emblem team.
Luigi isn't a clonje anymore, he's Luigi, and he only shares three attacks and agrab, that are generally drastically diffrent from Mario. Sure Ganondorf wasn't that bad, but in the end he'll get his sword, and YLink will be replaced by WW Link=TOTAL N00B ANNILANATION!
Customizable attacks, and if they don't have that I'm for them. I want to try out my Rocky Mii and Governor Tarkin Miis out by totally owning the crap out of Ganondorf!
Maybe I should make the ugliest Mii ever to give myself an advantage in online...that would be pretty awsome, throw my opponents off with MINDGAMES=yae! Still, i'm not sure if the Mii's are going to happen or not!But why not have the AC humans, they are way more important. O wait, the AC humans were upgraded into Mii's, so why not include the Mii's=??? Still, would playing AC ever be the same after Tom Nook owns us in Brawl=???
Sora' still got no chance, the GBA game he stared in sucked, and it didn't exactly sell well.
I doubt Nintendo would favor one company over another, that could lead to some mad developers in the future, who might no put as many Wii games out as they would if they got one of their characters as a rep for them in Brawl. Belmont isn't getting in over Sonic, because Sonic is the most desired character for SSBB, and Nintendo even officially announced Sonic is the most desired character. I see no reson why we should get Belmont or even Bomberman over Sonic, that would disappoint a lot of Sonic fans, as well as SSB fans.
Wat about the NES and SNES=??? Not to mention how many MGS fans loved his GCN game, that was pretty friggen awsome game!
He got his start on the NES and SNES, and hopefully we'll get a MGS Wii game! (crossed fingers so tight, he loses circulation) HAHA, I got you to say Bomberman for Brawl!
I think that counts as me totally owning you! 
Anyways, expect them to be all from multiple companies, and I still say Sora's got minimal shot. Also I've been thinking, since the Dragon Quest series (owned by Square Enix=their 2nd biggest series) is going to the Nintendo DS and Wii, I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai was considering at least a bit a Dragon Quest character, though that doesn't mean they'll make it. Just thought I should throw that out there.
Still, expect to see one character from each 3rdp arty developer taht gets represented in Brawl, don't make me wait it out to prove you wrong! I still got you to say Bomberman could make it, HAHA I WIN! Why dump what we don't need to be dumped=??? G&W still stars in many games, and has made many appearances over the years, heck he's had several of his own games recently! Plus IC could have been the SMB level if the game wasn't underrated, considering it was probably the 2nd best NES title at the NES' release.
It would make Doc players happy, and basically all the Mario users use Doc, and he should bein Brawl in some shape, as a trophy, or more likely and better as a outfit. Just load over Mario's face, give him new pants, that thing on his head (forget it's name), and a new shirt, along with the smae B move, but instead pills. There you have it, Doc Mario, except this time there is no minimal weight diffrence, because they weigh the same, and do everything the same!
You managed to insult my main (Fox), and my 3rd best (Falco) in one sentence!
Do I have to explain the tiers are **** near perfect, with a few obvious exceptions (*cough* KIRBY!) Why see characters nerfed, when we can see all of them improved, just them not as much=??? Kirby and Pickachu had total advantages in SSB64, and I don't see Ike as a Marth clone. HAHA, I still got you to consider Bomberman! 
Smady
Smash Master
Vali certainly butchered the entire "expected roster of 'Brawl" scene for a few franchises. I won't go into too much detail, but there seems to be a lot of safe choicing over characters who are unknown or those who are very origional. Such as Toad over Bowser Jr., Midna over Skull kid, no surprises whatsoever. Admiral Bobbery sums it all up - a very conservative, possible but boring selection. You did a good job, but it lacks any surprises...
If this had gone for "Make a Brawl Wishlist" there would've been some changes and a few of the more unusual characters chosen for sure, but I was merely making a realistic Brawl roster which to be honest I wouldn't mind playing.
Toad over Bowser Jr. is not really a safe choice as it's a really close call between them really. I think Toad should come back in a big way since he is one of the most important characters to the franchise in my opinion and it's a shame that Nintendo have not really given him the justice in terms of roles as of late. In fact I wouldn't mind either Bowser Jr. or Toad in Brawl, it's pretty much a coinflip thanks to that paintbrush giving Bowser Jr. a much easier to imagine unique moveset.
Midna with Wolf Link is not to be fair a "safe choice" since it's the general consensus for Midna in Imp form without Wolf Link. Had it been a Wishlist again I would've picked Skull Kid over Midna but due to her recent relevance, the popularity of TP and her fanbase I honestly can't see Skull Kid getting in before her. As far as M+WL go as a pair they'd definitely always be together and they'd work better that way. A transformation could work such as the always good B-down summoning Wolf Link in the black block particles but again that raises issues of how Midna would attack without Wolf Link for the majority of her moves.
And Smash Daddy you didn't see Bobbery as a surprise?
Oh yeah and Wiseguy since you removed Falco, added Wolf and Kahn and some of my opinions have changed a little I think I can upgrade your list to about a 9.2/10 or so.
Wiseguy
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You'd win that bet. I have no clue what your talking about.(say fuzzypickles)
Since Yoshi and Wario have starred in so many of their own games, I think they deserve to be in Brawl in and of themselves, not because they are riding Mario's coat tails. Case in point: Wario is has a Wario Ware themed appearance and moveset.
Sometimes the majority is wrong, and this is one of those times. K. Rool is a far more worthy addition. Unless Dixie could be a Diddy clone...
Zelda may not have quite the massive, cult like following of Pokemon (I've heard that every full moon, Pokemon fans dress in robes and sacrifice a goat to Pikachu) but it is easily the most widely respected game series in history. There has never been a bad Zelda game. Ever. Can you say the same about Pokemon.Google image search, I would be mad at you, but I use you too much to be mad at you!
Ya, but in several polls in Japan, many fans have wanted Mewtwo to return, a lot stronger. He's the strongest Pokemon after all, but he sucked in Melee, and he needs REDEMPTION! Deoxys will probably be a clone, or a luigified clone of some sort as I am guessing. Also, expect Pokemon to have 5 slots, the series is basically as big as it was when Red, Blue, and Yellow eversion came out, so I see no reason why we'd get more LOZ characters than Pokemon.
I agree, though there are many more reasons to hate Sheik.
Oh snap! I beat you to it! Wolf is now on my list. Whatcha gonna do now? *Runs away*
WAS the most requested character. Is he still the most requested character? Who can say?
What we do know is that Ike is highly requested in both Japan and North America.
BK is the only FE villian to star in multiple internationally released Fire emblem games. That makes him the most important villian in the series.I don't see BK, he isn't that important to the series. I see only Fire Lord, which doesn't leave too many character possibilities. Besides, there are characters that are 5 times as important to the series as the BK, such as all the Fire Lords, and a few others. So ya, I think we'll see a FL only Fire Emblem team.
Luigi is very original (as clones go) but he is still a clone. His moveset is cloned from Mario, although his stats are very different and he has a handful of all unique moves (ie: unique moveset)
No. It will be WWAAAYYY more awesome.But why not have the AC humans, they are way more important. O wait, the AC humans were upgraded into Mii's, so why not include the Mii's=??? Still, would playing AC ever be the same after Tom Nook owns us in Brawl=???
Any other suggestions for a Square Enix rep? (besides Geno, who is from the Mario series)
Its not Nintendo favoring one company over another, its other game company's willingness to play ball. Sonic might be cool beans among the Smash Community, but if Sega didn't sign off on Sonic's inclusion in time he won't get in regardless. Konami has already signed off on Snake, so Belmont is all but guaranteed.
You've got me on the old Metal Gear games. Until Konami sees reason and makes Metal Gear Solid 5 for Wii, any future MGS Nintendo projects are irrelivant to this discussion.Wat about the NES and SNES=??? Not to mention how many MGS fans loved his GCN game, that was pretty friggen awsome game!
Fine. You got me.HAHA, I got you to say Bomberman for Brawl!
Just thought I should throw that out there.
Although I really like Dragon Quest, the series lacks a definitive representative. Can't wait for Dargon Quest DS, though. DQ > FF.
Why include what don't need to be included. If it comes down to G&W or a new retro character, the answer is obvious.
I'm a Doc player, and I say let the man rest in peace.It would make Doc players happy, and basically all the Mario users use Doc, and he should bein Brawl in some shape, as a trophy, or more likely and better as a outfit. Just load over Mario's face, give him new pants, that thing on his head (forget it's name), and a new shirt, along with the smae B move, but instead pills. There you have it, Doc Mario, except this time there is no minimal weight diffrence, because they weigh the same, and do everything the same!
Why change everyone's moveset to accomidate a few unbalanced characters, when you can just fix Fox and replace the other 3. That's right, I'm now predicting that Falco will be cut as well. Wha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA!You managed to insult my main (Fox), and my 3rd best (Falco) in one sentence!
Smady
Smash Master
A realistic 'Brawl roster takes all things in account. They won't include Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Captain Olimar, Admiral Bobber and Midna as newcomers because they're all friggin' tiny buggers! Forgive my rudeness, but it was a pretty lousy list altogether. You have a lot of characters in there that appeal to small children, which I'm not so inclined to.
Toad hasn't been a single character for a decade. He's degenerated into a race, with Toadsworth becoming the definitive Toad it seems. It's not what anyone wanted, or want to believe, but it's happened. Toad as a single character would detract from a smarter choice like Bowser Jr. His importance is recent and he's played a larger role as a single character. As Midna is just a companion like Navi, think as well that Toad has become a race just like Goombas or Koopas. He's lost in recent games to either Toadsworth or Luigi or a lone Mario/Peach. This all adds up to Toad fizzling away in the franchise and losing his place, and his place in the franchise would have been his reason for being in 'Brawl. But he shouldn't be now.
As much as I respect her current popularity, you have to look to Skull kid/Majora's Mask's 'Melee absence. The same thing was going on for him and yet nothing. Not even a stage hazard. Obviously Midna has had more importance in her game than Skull kid did in OoT and TP combined, but Skull kid has been in three games to Midna's one. I see them having an equal chance on a importance level, but you have me on popularity. Movesets... I made one for Skull kid a while back in this thread. I'll look it up if you want.
Midna could have an alright moveset. It'd be awful floaty, she'd be a small target, like a smaller Mewtwo. She'd have to be a titan with her moves to equal it out. Don't talk of the M o/ W thing. Three Links? Two being the same character from the same game? Mario only had Dr.Mario and he's more important than Link. Until we can pass that I don't see Wolf in 'Brawl as anything but a stage hazard.
Yes... Just not the good kind.And Smash Daddy you didn't see Bobbery as a surprise?
Sorry for getting you into one of these quote wars we both loathe so much. We'll get through this with intelligent discussion.
I don't mind constructive "quote wars" as long as it's not just reiterations of the same points over and over and over in a pointless spiral of "YOUR OPINION IS WRONG, MINE IS RIGHT!" and "NO YOURS IS WRONG, MINE AM RIGHT!"
Just out of interest have you played PM2? If not it's well worth the pickup.
Also I understand that a plethora of small characters may be adding to an already semi-large cast of Brawling small characters but you have to remember 3 things. The first is that a few of the small characters already in Melee are getting the cut such as Pichu and Ice Climbers almost definitely. The second is that several quite large characters are most likely to be added such as Ridley and King K. Rool. which if anything brings me onto my third point. That is that characters will be scaled accordingly and some of those friggin' tiny buggers might be scaled up to a regular size, which if anyone I can imagine Diddy Kong being slighty below average height-wise rather than tiny. It's an understandable criticism but something which I think more stems from Nintendo's character designs than anything, especially the universal appeal (read: appeal to small children) part. It's true that I did mainly pick popular choices, but in the end that's whats going to get into Brawl at the end of the day even if there might be better candidates in my (and probably your) opinion.
I agree. As I said I'm not really fussed between the 2 and I thought I'd support more the underdog in this argument. Would you honestly say though that Bowser Jr. is more important to the Mario franchise than Toad? As an interesting point I could bring up that Skull Kid is very much in the same way as Toad. Both have been pretty much forgotten in recent times and a recent addition threatens their chances of getting into Brawl ^^. I would argue that Toad is more important to the franchise like Skull Kid is at the moment more important to the franchise than Midna. Toad has appeared in many games, playable character in 2 and one of those was a starring role. If only Toad was the villain and Bowser Jr. the side-kick (or vice versa for Midna + Skull Kid) and the comparison would be almost perfect. Edit: Actually, for all we know (and can speculate) even the whole "not been a single character for a decade" fits the Skull Kid analogy too.
First off Admiral Bobbery was on there just out of love and homage to his awesomeness, I don't realistically expect him to turn up in another game ever again, which is a shame
Just out of interest have you played PM2? If not it's well worth the pickup.Also I understand that a plethora of small characters may be adding to an already semi-large cast of Brawling small characters but you have to remember 3 things. The first is that a few of the small characters already in Melee are getting the cut such as Pichu and Ice Climbers almost definitely. The second is that several quite large characters are most likely to be added such as Ridley and King K. Rool. which if anything brings me onto my third point. That is that characters will be scaled accordingly and some of those friggin' tiny buggers might be scaled up to a regular size, which if anyone I can imagine Diddy Kong being slighty below average height-wise rather than tiny. It's an understandable criticism but something which I think more stems from Nintendo's character designs than anything, especially the universal appeal (read: appeal to small children) part. It's true that I did mainly pick popular choices, but in the end that's whats going to get into Brawl at the end of the day even if there might be better candidates in my (and probably your) opinion.
Toadsworth is just
I agree. As I said I'm not really fussed between the 2 and I thought I'd support more the underdog in this argument. Would you honestly say though that Bowser Jr. is more important to the Mario franchise than Toad? As an interesting point I could bring up that Skull Kid is very much in the same way as Toad. Both have been pretty much forgotten in recent times and a recent addition threatens their chances of getting into Brawl ^^. I would argue that Toad is more important to the franchise like Skull Kid is at the moment more important to the franchise than Midna. Toad has appeared in many games, playable character in 2 and one of those was a starring role. If only Toad was the villain and Bowser Jr. the side-kick (or vice versa for Midna + Skull Kid) and the comparison would be almost perfect. Edit: Actually, for all we know (and can speculate) even the whole "not been a single character for a decade" fits the Skull Kid analogy too.Would love to see it, I think I saw a Skull Kid moveset prior with MM and I believe he'd make an excellent addition to Brawl, yet it's the absence from Melee that causes me most concern. He was at his height of importance back in Majora's Mask and Melee was made soon after. However what I believe hampered Skull Kid's chances the most was the fact that with OOT being an absolute runaway success they decided to mainly focus on the OOT look for Melee. Link, Young Link, Ganondorf and Zelda all from OOT (arguably, Young Link could be said to be from MM) and MM basically repped with the stage from Termina. The moon in a way payed homage to Skull Kid, after all it was his doing, but again that's probably more just to link in MM than anything else.As much as I respect her current popularity, you have to look to Skull kid/Majora's Mask's 'Melee absence. The same thing was going on for him and yet nothing. Not even a stage hazard. Obviously Midna has had more importance in her game than Skull kid did in OoT and TP combined, but Skull kid has been in three games to Midna's one. I see them having an equal chance on a importance level, but you have me on popularity. Movesets... I made one for Skull kid a while back in this thread. I'll look it up if you want.
I'm afraid the only way I could see Midna working would be with Wolf Link. I know 3 Links isn't preferable but with such a high chance of Midna's inclusion can you honestly say you'd prefer her to be just by herself? At least Wolf Link gives her some credibility to not being incredibly floaty, weak and with an extremely difficult to make moveset.
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You're right. Sometimes I've been in those kind of quote wars, but only because it's hard to get your point across to morons. I think the worst thing to happen is that a person ignores a point and says something that contradicts it. *Cough*Stryks*Cough*.
PM2? I know it, I just can't remember... Admiral Bobbery was the best thing about your suggestions but may have been a little too much along with your other choices. Then again...First off Admiral Bobbery was on there just out of love and homage to his awesomeness, I don't realistically expect him to turn up in another game ever again, which is a shame
As convincing as your points are (I can't disagree with plenty of them) there's still the fact that you're using up a lot of slots to replace small characters with other small characters, and also getting rid of any retro characters. Even if upscaling is involved, it's usually a terrible thing for a character. Because of their increased size they either look too big or the details are too small in comparison, or look like pieces of plastic because of a large amount of the colours before being un-noticeable due to their character's size or blended in with other colours because the character was once smaller. Look at Kirby, he's completely pink. It's meant to be this way. But Olimar is not meant to look so round or soft last time I checked. Still, these are not countering your points on the removal of small characters like Pichu and the Ice Climbers and inclusion of Ridley and K. Rool. If only this wasn't just speculation.
I think you're wrong about Skull kid. He is not forgotten, he was in Twilight Princess and wasn't even really noticed at all if not for Majora's Mask. His importance comes with looking to the past, people looking back and casting MM as their favourite. This is his only source of popularity to be honest. Importance is debatable, compared to Midna at least. She played a massive role but in just one game. The fact it's the most recent doesn't change her importance, but does give her an unfair advantage with popularity. It will die down, and Sakurai will know this. I'm glad you didn't confirm her with Dedede and Diddy Kong, two characters that will be in without a doubt. Midna's currently in the grey. Importance is given to Skull kid between the two because of his new stretch between the '64 era and the Wii era. Woe be me if Midna gets in over Skull kid, as it would mean Sakurai considers flimsy popularity over solid importance. Like building with water rather than bricks, it will collapse in the face of any offense.Toadsworth is just
There you go.Smash Daddy said:Quite possible the best representation of the entire '64 era of Zelda, seeing as everyone else is going to have new models. He was in both MM and OoT, being one of the main characters in MM. He's becoming an icon of the Zelda series' darker titles, as he represents what happens when you stray from your path. Such as in OoT, the Skull kid and the other lost children of the forest are those who couldn't find their way back. In MM the Skull kid from OoT (the one you sing Sariah's Song to) is overwhelmed by the mask and his sadness, loneliness and anger is all given diabolical power to wreak vengeance on Termina. Again, he appears in Twilight Princess but with a role as important as his OoT role. Whether this is the MM/OoT Skull kid is disputed, as it would certainly make some sense.
This is because OoT, MM and TP are all in the non-Wind Waker timeline. I'm not sure if this means that that giant flood thing, or whatever it was that drowned Hyrule, doesn't happen, but the stories followed in this timeline are darker and so suited for Skull kid. A cel-shaded Skull kid just wouldn't work. I expect full-heartedly for Skull kid to return in the next main Zelda. If MM is anything to go by, I hope that TP is followed up in couple of years by a MM-type game that is as difficult and intricate plot-wise.
Skull Kid's moveset would be extremely origional, of course you'd get his MM form rather than his normal Skull kid form from OoT/TP. He'd be floaty and light, but a slow faller and be able to recover in the air using a move I'll mention later. This is because he would be able to levitate as he did in MM. I'm not too good with designing movesets like others here seem to enjoy doing, but I'm confident that it would work out if they involved a "Moon" summoning Super Smash move as well as a Song of Time move.
What's a song of time move, you ask? Well... This would be Skull kid's recovery move/B^. He'd pull out the ocarina of time, stolen for a short time in MM, and sing the tune. This would create a short burst of blue musical notes to circle the Skull kid, and elevate him upwards and downwards depending on each individual note's pitch. These would be randomized between high and low, obviously each note has permanently got a high or low pitch but the veracity of each note could be drastic or mellow. Also, anyone who is touched by the more drastic notes would fall asleep for a short time (seeing as it's Zelda's lullaby). Imagine 'Puff's lullaby move but with control over when it stops and some movement around the level. A way past it would be to attack Skull kid during a weaker burst of notes. You can stop the move any time you want and it wouldn't have any start-up lag, but letting it end naturally would let you out of the move fast whilst ending it in the middle of the song will have some lag where Skull kid is putting it away.
His other moves I'm not so sure on. His taunt could easily be like Mewtwo's spinning, but with him in a cross-legged position to finish. Maybe he would use Majora's Mask as a frisbee, maybe he could fire a blast of dark energy with the sad faces of those he effected in MM using the Mask. The only limit is the imagination of the developers of 'Smash. And as seen with Fox and Captain Falcon they are more than capable of designing origional movesets out of nothing, whilst Skull kid has a whole lot of stuff from the games to use.
Skull kid has elevated to one of the characters I want most in 'Brawl, along with Wolf and Ridley. We need more villains in 'Brawl!
SKULL KID FOR 'BRAWL!
Sadly, you may have a point. His importance was best before 'Melee and yet. But maybe Sakurai feels he must redeem his mistake? I'm not sure... I can only hope.
I don't like the idea of any pair characters, especially of those who are already in. I think that riding Wolf could be activated somehow (somewhat like the clitoris) but not a permanent stance for Midna. It would mean less of Link, and less of a Pikachu-ish feeling to Midna. And remember this is Midna being represented, so alone she would be better off than literally and metaphorically riding Link in 'Brawl. Raising the awareness of Midna will do only good, and will have a lasting effect if they present her well and alone. I'd hate to see too many more characters that walk on all fours anywho, but I also can't say I like those who levitate or those who are small so I lose in some way with Midna however they choose to use her (if they use her at all).
*Cough*Annoyingashell*cough*
Paper Mario 2: The Thousand Year Door. The N64 original is soon to come to VC as well, definitely going to have to get that one. When? Who knows, probably never for europe *Cough*SuperPaperMario*cough*.
Can't disagree with you there. I thought 40 characters was a bit limiting and with an increased number to around 45 I would've kept some of the retro choices in. With the small character argument though, I'd be interested to hear which smallies you'd keep out and who you'd replace them with (or just a full list of who you want in for that matter).
Olimar has never really been portrayed as small, since the entire game revolves around him and the rest of his environments being tiny as well. Same goes for Kirby since the pink puffball is infact 8 inches tall himself among with other characters that were scaled up for Melee such as Pikachu. While your concerns of scaling is understandable I have every confidence in the Smash Bros. team to get the job done really well, since I wouldn't say any of the scaled up or down characters in Melee were grotesquely out of shape, both Bowser and Kirby still looked awesome. If everything is done in proportion then it shouldn't matter whatsoever. To prove this I could use a philosophical question "If everything in the universe doubled in size over night, how would you be able to tell?" since if everything would still be proportionate and nothing would seem different.
I was using forgotten in the sense of importance, like you did with Toad. We both know that Toad isn't forgotten, he's still a race and you still have *shudder* Toadsworth, but in the end compared to what he once was in the games he's no longer that staple, being resigned to party games and sports game etc. Now in the same way Skull Kid is no longer as important to Zelda, with only the brief cameo in Twilight Princess and even then that's debatable to whether that is the one Skull Kid we know and love from MM (I personally believe it is).
I didn't put her in with the practically confirmed because she's not practically confirmed. Even if she was, there'd be no telling what form she'd take out of her 3 possible ones. I think it's a bit much to say that she has no importance, there could very possibly be a recurrance of Midna in the next console Zelda game which no doubt they're planning already. With such close tie-ins with Nintendo and making franchises that matter popular so vital, Sakurai and the Smash Bros. team would obviously be told about Midna's importance for the future if there is any LONG before any of the public. That said, I for one believe she won't be back.
It was good, it'd be nice for the Ocarina to make a comeback actually which is something they've all but forgotten about it seems. Did you have in mind the MM tentacles for his attacks as I saw in 1 picture of him? That'd really give him some unique grab moves and overall originality to the moveset. I wouldn't half mind maining Skull Kid is he was included and was decent enough.There you go.
He may believe it was a mistake, he might not, that's up to Sakurai alone (unfortunately
).Pikachu isn't a qudrauped like Wolf Link. Wolf Link isn't able to fully handle himself on 2 legs like Pikachu, especially with big-headed Midna on his back. I do get what you mean though.
I'm with you on the Midna thing, really. I'd prefer Skull Kid ahead of her in Brawl and like I said I would've put that if it had been my wishlist. The fact of the matter is though in my eyes her overwhelming popularity and the heavy focus of LoZ:TP rep is what will put her in Brawl and keep Skull Kid out. Just like what probably happened with OOT and Skull Kid for Melee where they focused on repping the more popular game at the time. It's a **** shame, but it's the most likely outcome. Now I put the Midna on Wolf Link because it's the only way I can see it working, but I concede that it'd be much better for Midna to be on her own. I just can't see how it'd work :/. I mean. She has tiny arms. How can she punch with tiny arms? ><
i agree with most except simon, commanfer kahn, tom nook, poo, black knight, king k rool, and midna
i'd replace them with midna non twili form (so she can use her hair thing to grab and punch)
skull kid, knuckles, falco, marth, mewtwo, sheik,
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I'll explain it for you non-Earthbound players. This random guy comes out of nowhere via floating and spinning, at the randomest moments, gives Ness and crew (once he gets Paula, Jeff, and Poo to join him) boring speeches, and then takes their picture in which he says "say fuzzy pickles". Then Ness makes this face
, and his friends just stand there, doing nothing. Then the guy goes on how you'll remeber this forever and ever, and then he floats and spins away=randomly funny (kinda like IT'S OVER NINE-THOUSANNNNNDDDD!!!)Good point, but Wario will probably have his more traditional outfit as a alterante comstume, but back on point. That is where their roots lie, and I've decieded it is more likely that Bowser Jr. won't make it then he will, but this is a close margin. Don't be surprised if it goes either way, and be prepared for anything with Bowser Jr.
What the majority wants, most of the time they get it. If Nintendo went with the less popular choices over the more possible choices, they would have never been succcessful, and won't continue to be successful, and they realize it. Again I can't emphasize how much clones aren't needed, and Dixie was one of the best scoring character on Sakurai's poll, behind only a few characters, and her popularity outside of Japan is even higher!
There must be a lot of Pickachu lovers out there who take their love to the extremes (it's all about BLASTOISE!
). Donm't even speak to goat's to me today, I've decieded I don't like them....Only bad Pokemon games=Rangers and the 2 Colesieum games. Only bad Zelda game...that 3 CD-i LOZ games=crap that was made by Phillips, in which they mistoke Link for a girl, Zelda for a boy, added a drunk king, made Link horney over Ganon, and had Ganon be some stupid spirit thing, not to mention the horrid voices. By god those games were good=the most saracastic thing ever said. ^^^^ You can't disagree, that was the most sarcastic thing ever said in the history of the world!
I suggest you look of CD-i poofs for good laughs of the 3 Cd-i LOZ games and Hotel Mario on youtube=making fun of the worst games of all time, minus Superman 64. But ya, Pokemon has a larger fanbase, but tLOZ series is more coveted and reconizable, and has probably been called the greatest series of all-time more times than any of seires. Anyways Pokemon deserves 5, and Mewtwo deserves redepmtion! Mewtwo>Deoxys, even if I'm all for Deoxys.If you hate Shiek so much, why don't you just ask her to be changed in the seemingly unlike event that she will return (>1/3% chance of returning).
You took out the top tier Falco...nice, along with Shiek and Marth. I think if all those characters are removed we can expect to see most the Melee pros stay with Melee, and we'll see Melee remain and stay more popular than Brawl. Ya, don't expect Falco to go, chances are you're wrong, and basically the entire Smash community wants him to return.
You can cut out the unlikey Tom Nook (he'd be the lowset tier!), Commander Kahn (even if he's sweet, but unlikely), Black night (he's not Roy!), and Poo (HAHA, I said Poo!) to make room for him. He's much more imporant to the SF series than Wolf or Krystal, he's been in it since the beginning as the only SF member other than Fox with actual skillz! Unlike Krystal and Wolf, he's been in in since the begining!
I saw a poll under Brawl discussion that says that Marth was the most desired character for Melee in 99' in Japan. If I find it, I'll give you a link, it is a very intresting find. I'm not doubting Ike at all, I'm just saying Marth was the most wanted for Melee, and his popularity is up there with the most popular. Why remove the most popular characters and **** fans off, I don't see Sakurai doing it, unless he's trying to boost Melee sales while dropping Brawl's.
Ya but most FE fans who play SSB want only Fire Lords to represent Fire Emblem in SSB. Majority wins almost all the time, and I don't think this is an exception.
Basically all his A moves are diffrent, his Bside is diffrent, his B isn't affected by gravity, unlike Mario's, his Bup can do 20% something in one hit, while Mario's just does up to I think somewhere in the 10's. Plus his WD is way better, his Bdown is more manuverable, and the only thing that is basically the exactly the same as Mario's is his grab. Sure he was a Mario clone in SSB64, but with primaraly diffrrent A attacks, and he was a original in Melee.
I want the Mii's, but sadly I can't make a Darth Vader Mii.
O well, I can always make a Osama Mii, and beat the **** out of him as Fox=the best thing ever. Who needs online when you can do this all day=??? The AC humans are downgraded Mii's, and besides noone fights in AC. So replace Tom Nook with Falco, Falco is simply much more important to him.Crono, but he'll only make it if Sonic, Megaman, or Geno don't make it (one or two of them). Geno is owned by Square Enix. Check the Geno for Brawl thread as a source=McFox made it, so I doubt it isn't true. So he's considered 3rd party, and Square Enix owns him entirely, even with all the Mario cameos, but I think if there are 4 3rd party characters, Geno will be in them, as the 4th and ONLY exception to Sakurai's 2 or 3 3rd party character rule (in which Snake is counted as one).
The boost in sells of series that have characters that are represented in SSB generally increase a lot for most fo the lesser heard series. Just look at a little thing called Fire Emblem. Sega realizes this, and Nintendo doesn't want to screw over their chances with sorta alling themselves with Sega by making Sonic weak, so expect him to be a mid-high, high, or top tier character. Plus if Sega doesn't add him, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a MAJOR boycott of Sonic games if Sonic isn't in Brawl (some people are like that).
Belmont isn't in that big of a series compared to Megaman, Sonic, Resident Evil (throw that one out there), and Kingdm Hearts, along with many others, but Castlevania still sells EXTREMELY well (all of which I mentioned are in the top 40 selling video game series of all time).
O, and Hideo Kojima may work at Koonami, and made the MG/MGS series, but Castlevania is rpoduced by Koji Igarashi. Besides, Kojima begged, and he got what we wanted, as did we.
As much as I like Belmont, just because Kojima has good relations with Nintendo and works with Koonami, doesn't mean any more Koonami characters will make it. I'm going to state this, the only 3rd party characters that have at least fair chances at being in Brawl IMO in order are:
-Sonic (star of the 9th best selling video game series of all time)
-Megaman (star of the 18th best selling video game series of all time)
-Geno (Super Mario RPG)
-Chrono (Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross)
-Issac (Golden Sun series)
-Bomberman (about the same chances as Belmont, maybe changeable, but he's more wanted for Brawl)
-Belmont (HAHA, bet you didn't see that one coming Wiseguy!) (Castlevania)
Side Note: I've read in several places that Kojima is making courses in SSBB, probably the MG/MGS ones, and hopefully he'll do more friggen awsome stages in Brawl, that would make us all pretty happy! (fingers crossed)
Kojima says he might retire, and this might be the last MGS game in MGS4 (hope it comes to the 360, if I GET ONE!
), but not neccissaraly the last Metal Gear game. Hopefully we get a MG game on the Wii, that would own! Seriously, MG Wii+TP+Galaxy+Prime 3+Brawl+a few other games=what else do you need=???? Also MGS the Twin Snakes (remake of the original MGS) was a GCN exclusive, so ya!HAHA, I got you good, I've brought you to the Bomberman is still somewhat possible side!
Man I am SOOO very evil! FF>DQ, though DQ is still awsome. FF II, IV, VI, VII, VIII, X, XII, and XIII are awsome! DQ IX for the DS is gonna be awsome, and DQ is also coming to the Wii (not sure if DQ IX is for the Wii as well). Still, I don't see a FF or DQ rep happening this time around. Maybe once Square Enix relizes the PS3 sucks, and the PSP couldn't dream of being as good as the DS, then we'll expect to see more FF and DQ Wii games (more than halfway there=DQ is Nintendo Wii/DS only now).
1.He really kickstarted Nintendo's video gaming success
2.He started Nintendo's handheld/arcade career basically
3.He's awsome, original, and adds a certain uniqueness no amount of new characters can replace.
4.He's got some pretty intresting moves and combos
5.He still is in newer games, and is going to be in a upcoming Japan only game (most likely)
6.He's basically in all the Wario Ware games in some way, shape, or form.
7.The series feels completely diffrent without him
8.He adds uniqueness to the series, and brings that to new extremes.
9.Nintendo loves their classic characters, and Nintendo isn't know for dropping characters because they are old.
10.Because I said so, and "THIS IS SPARTA!"=best reason ever!
I use Doc on occassion (Doc>Mario), and I say let him be a costume for Mario at least, maybe change the fireballs to pills (without changing anything but looks of Mario's B attack), and that's it. That way the man will be gone, but he'll always be with us, and not just in spirit!
Also note that Paula is still A LOT more likely that Poo, and she is the strongest PSI user out of the entire team (Ness is about as good). Besides, he might scare off possible smash N00bs with his name if he is in Brawl, and he really isn't anywhere as powerful as Pauala. Plus, she'd be a better clone, and a much better original character!
Still, Lucas is better, and I assume Nintendo will be smart enough to give us Mother 3 here in NA, and over on the other side of the pond in Europe.Falco cut prrobably isn't going to happen, just like Tom Nook, The Black Knight, Poo, Belmont, Sora, and make room for Falco. Seriously, 9 clones is too many, and 45 character is too many. I don't 5 clones will happen, much less 6, and 8 cuts is 3 or 4 times what I expect at most.
Take out Belmont and Sora to make the 3rd party characters perfectly accurate (unless Geno doesn't make it=
), take out Commader Kahn (he's not going to happen sadly, so don't get your hopes too high), and take out Nook. Then replace Poo with Paula or Lucas, replace the Black Knight with Marth, trade King K Rool with Dixie Kong (add K Rool if you can), add Falco, and ther you go! That's 42 or 43 (I'm guessing we'll get 40-44). Then replace Mii's with IC (IC own!), add G&W, cut Midna, and cut Bowser Jr., then add Roy and Mewtwo. Ther you have it, a 43 or 44 character roster that pwns! Now for fun I'll make another character list!
My character list (UPDATED!):
Mario series: (4)
-Mario
-Luigi
-Peach
-Bowser!
Donkey Kong: (3)
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda series: (5)
-Link (TP form)
-WW Link
-Zelda (Shiek=????, but probably won't happen) (TP form)
-Ganondorf (with 1 sword!=TP form)
-Midna (Imp form)
Metroid (basically the closest thing to West only): (4)
-Samus
-Zamus
-Ridley
-Dark Samus
Star Fox: (4)
-Fox
-Falco
-Wolf
-Krystal
Pokemon series: (5)
-Pickachu
-Jigglypuff
-Mewtwo
-Lucario
-Deoxys
Fire Emblem series: (3)
-Marth
-Ike
-Roy
Kiby's Dreamland series: (3)
-Kirby
-MetaKnight
-King Dedede
F-Zero series: (2)
-Capt. Falcon
-Samurai Goroh
Earthbound/Mother series: (2)
-Ness
-Lucas (if not, Paula!)
Other Nintendo characters: (6)
-Pit
-Wario
-Yoshi
-Capt. Olimar
-Ice Clmibers
-Mr. Game and Watch!
3rd Party characters: (3 if Geno doesn't make it, 4 if he does, but more likely 3)
-Snake!
-Sonic
-Megaman!!!!
-Geno (could go either way)
That's 44 characters, which I think will be about the number of characters in Brawl (I'm guessing 45 at most, with 41-44 as ver likley)! Now that's an impressive list, and who wouldn't be pleased with that=??? 45 if you add Geno, and the last few characters who I cut (in this order, from most to least likley: Mii's, K. Rool, Mach Rider, Little Mac, Blazekein, and Black Shadow=lame!) Now c'mon, who wouldn't be pleased with that list=???
OK, this is what I'm hoping for. I've rated these characters out of 10 for the most likely characters to appear:
Lucario (9.5/10)
-Well, Lucario is a well-known Pokemon. Despite the fact that he was mistaken for a legendary in the movie, he's a pretty cool character. Great attacks, great speed, and overall great greatness!
Deoxys (8/10)
-Deoxys has been requested as much as Lucario. Not sure about Deoxys, though. Lucario is more likely. But I won't argue if Deoxys made it in anyway!
Klonoa (5/10)
-I'm hoping for Klonoa to be in Brawl, since the games that he starred in were awesome, and he's had games on a Nintendo Console (along with a lot of cameos), but it might not be likely. Another reason I think that he should be in Brawl was that his first game (Door to Phantomile) was one of the first games to have a 3D character in a 2D environment. It sorta made a huge difference in gaming I guess.
Vaati (4.5/10)
-Being another notable villian in the series besides Ganon, Vaati has a chance. Maybe...
Stafy (7/10)
-The little star prince is a big star in Japan, and can almost rival Kirby! Stafy has a good chance. One of the reasons being that he has been affiliated with the Mario series THRICE! With Wario starring in the 3rd game, a poster of him being in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and him being an "enemy" in Super Princess Peach (I actually got to see him in the game!) There are even Wario costumes and Princess Peach costumes that Stafy can wear in-game! Stafy has a good chance!
MegaMan EXE. (5.5/10)
-I know the regular Megaman is more hoped for that his net navi version, but you have to admit, the series was awesome! I'm hoping that Megaman EXE. makes it in. I'm not quite sure what his chances are, so I gave him a 55/50% chance of appearing. I chose the net navi version because it is much sleeker, seems a bit faster and having attacks in which you use BattleChips will be COOL! (Cybersword, Battlechip in! DOWNLOAD!) I'm crossing my fingers for Megaman EXE! Jack in!
Shadow the Hedgehog (3/10)
-Shadow is as famous as the speedy blue Sonic! Though it would be good to have him in the game, Sonic seems like a more worthy fighter for Brawl. But if Shadow makes it, I'm hoping he has his weapons from the kick-*** game that he stars in! I would love to shoot a bazooka at Mario!
Lucario (9.5/10)
-Well, Lucario is a well-known Pokemon. Despite the fact that he was mistaken for a legendary in the movie, he's a pretty cool character. Great attacks, great speed, and overall great greatness!
Deoxys (8/10)
-Deoxys has been requested as much as Lucario. Not sure about Deoxys, though. Lucario is more likely. But I won't argue if Deoxys made it in anyway!
Klonoa (5/10)
-I'm hoping for Klonoa to be in Brawl, since the games that he starred in were awesome, and he's had games on a Nintendo Console (along with a lot of cameos), but it might not be likely. Another reason I think that he should be in Brawl was that his first game (Door to Phantomile) was one of the first games to have a 3D character in a 2D environment. It sorta made a huge difference in gaming I guess.
Vaati (4.5/10)
-Being another notable villian in the series besides Ganon, Vaati has a chance. Maybe...
Stafy (7/10)
-The little star prince is a big star in Japan, and can almost rival Kirby! Stafy has a good chance. One of the reasons being that he has been affiliated with the Mario series THRICE! With Wario starring in the 3rd game, a poster of him being in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and him being an "enemy" in Super Princess Peach (I actually got to see him in the game!) There are even Wario costumes and Princess Peach costumes that Stafy can wear in-game! Stafy has a good chance!
MegaMan EXE. (5.5/10)
-I know the regular Megaman is more hoped for that his net navi version, but you have to admit, the series was awesome! I'm hoping that Megaman EXE. makes it in. I'm not quite sure what his chances are, so I gave him a 55/50% chance of appearing. I chose the net navi version because it is much sleeker, seems a bit faster and having attacks in which you use BattleChips will be COOL! (Cybersword, Battlechip in! DOWNLOAD!) I'm crossing my fingers for Megaman EXE! Jack in!
Shadow the Hedgehog (3/10)
-Shadow is as famous as the speedy blue Sonic! Though it would be good to have him in the game, Sonic seems like a more worthy fighter for Brawl. But if Shadow makes it, I'm hoping he has his weapons from the kick-*** game that he stars in! I would love to shoot a bazooka at Mario!
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^^^ I totally disagree with everything except Lucario, who rightfully deserves that 9.5/10.
Deoxys 7.5/10:
-I'm all for him, but he's no 8.
Klonia=???: 0/10:
Idk who this is, so I'm guessing they aren't nearly as important as the 50 or so characters I mentioned.
Vatti: 4/10:
-I'd like him, but Midna>Vatti.
Staffy: 3/10:
-The Japan only part kills Staffy, but he's still popular. It could happen, but probably won't.
MegaMan EXE.: 0/10:
-I love the EXE series (1-3 totally owned!, 4 was okay, and 5 and 6 were pretty good), but he has no chance, so just admit it. Besides Megaman could have some EXE attacks, but Megaman has no chance. Seriously, why waste one of three character spots on him when there are no MBN games being made anymore, unless you include the successeeding series Star Force, which doesn't even sar MM EXE.!
Shadow the Hedgehog: 0/10: He's got no chance, and is nowhere near as popular as Sonic. Why would Sega get two spots while Square Enix and Koonami get one, and why should Shoadow get in over ORIGINAL and better characters like Geno or Megaman=??? So he has no chance, and there are a ton of better characters to choose from.
My % are much more accurate, and unbaised, and believe me I was totally tempted to raise Megaman EXE.'s and Vatti's rating and scores, because they're awsome!
Deoxys 7.5/10:
-I'm all for him, but he's no 8.
Klonia=???: 0/10:
Idk who this is, so I'm guessing they aren't nearly as important as the 50 or so characters I mentioned.
Vatti: 4/10:
-I'd like him, but Midna>Vatti.
Staffy: 3/10:
-The Japan only part kills Staffy, but he's still popular. It could happen, but probably won't.
MegaMan EXE.: 0/10:
-I love the EXE series (1-3 totally owned!, 4 was okay, and 5 and 6 were pretty good), but he has no chance, so just admit it. Besides Megaman could have some EXE attacks, but Megaman has no chance. Seriously, why waste one of three character spots on him when there are no MBN games being made anymore, unless you include the successeeding series Star Force, which doesn't even sar MM EXE.!
Shadow the Hedgehog: 0/10: He's got no chance, and is nowhere near as popular as Sonic. Why would Sega get two spots while Square Enix and Koonami get one, and why should Shoadow get in over ORIGINAL and better characters like Geno or Megaman=??? So he has no chance, and there are a ton of better characters to choose from.
My % are much more accurate, and unbaised, and believe me I was totally tempted to raise Megaman EXE.'s and Vatti's rating and scores, because they're awsome!
How is that not possibly the greatest game of all time? It has everything.
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=169 is all that needs to be said.
Rated the best DS game of 2006 by practically every single reviewer, I think they'd be far from smart to not leap on this franchise. If they get the universal appeal of EBA out to the majority (such as those that may not read up on stuff and who don't try those wackier games) they are going to make a lot of money.
He's not a proven homosexual, no.
That just makes me sad
Oh no he didn't.
Oh NO he didn't.
Not including IX but including X AND XII? Why...why would you do such a thing? God kills a kitten everytime someone says that FFX is a good game and blows up a warehouse full of orphaned cute puppies everytime someone even suggests that FFXII is a good game too.
He justified his inclusion of 9 clones as they take up 1/3 of the time to make and so 37 originals + 9 clones is the same production time as creating 40 (which was the set limit for this make your own roster challenge).
The hint is in "Agents are...GO(od for Brawl)!"
Smady
Smash Master
You're too right.*Cough*Annoyingashell*cough*
Sorry for how late I am with this reply.
Alright, nice. I'll be sure to look into it. It sucks living in England for sure. Super Paper Mario is the only game apart from Zelda that I actually for the Wii, along with a bunch of Virtual Console games. Nintendo love to **** with all us Europeans.
Alright... That's a bit much to ask, but I think I can do it. Keep in mind I'm not putting as much thought into mine as you possibly did yours.
Mario - 5
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Legend of Zelda - 6
TP Link
TP Zelda
TP Ganondorf
Midna Imp Form (Wolf as a stage hazard)
WW Link
Tingle/Skull kid/Vaati (A "surprise" character)
Donkey Kong - 3
Donkey Kong (Like so impossible
)Diddy Kong
K. Rool
Kirby - 3
Kirby
Metaknight
King Dedede
StarFox - 4
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal
F-Zero - 2
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Fire Emblem - 3
Marth
Ike (Dropping Roy. He was only in for promoting the new FE game anyway, and he's a clone.)
Black Knight/Female FE Character (Sorry for my lack of FE knowledge.)
Pokemon - 4
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Lucario (A special pokeball appearance for Deoxys, Meowth and Blaziken.)
Metroid - 3
Samus/Zamus
Ridley
Dark Samus
Earthbound/Mother - 2
Ness
Paula/Poo ('Literally know nothing about the Earthbound series)
Other - 5
Pit
Wario
Yoshi
G&W
Phoenix Wright (Thank Chief Mendez for this.
)3rd-Party - 3
Sonic
Megaman
Snake
Total - 43
Hopefully that explains something about my inner thinking and my opinions. A few wacky choices, I know.
I guess there are two ways to look at it: everyone is portrayed as a certain size of the screen when playing their games, so there's no point bringing actual size into the matter. But then there's a small problem with keeping everyone's feeling to them, such as Ridley's domineering size and Olimar's bug likeness. I trust the Smash Bros. team will get it right, Olimar's worrying because (if I am correct) his game is shot from a bird's eye view prospective, not a sidewards view like Kirby's games, meaning his size is brought to the player's attention. I hadn't realized Kirby was so small until someone told me.
Skull kid was never that important as such, but that's because there are many less important characters in Zelda than Mario. There are many party games in the Mario world depicting a massive range of characters accumulated over the decades, outnumbering the main games about 7:1 each generation. The races such as Toad, Goomba and Koopas are used unsparingly throughout all of these games. But within the main games Toad has slipped away, which is the final humiliation for the character, Toadsworth *vomits* has taken Toad's place for reasons beyond the logic of any human being with half a brain. As Zelda games are fewer and more far-between than the Mario games, Skull kid only had a small amount of time to shine and now seems to have settled down. As there are no party games, giving every second of time in any Zelda game importance greater than that of a single Mario party game, giving Skull kid such an obvious cameo at an important point in the story means something. And there are also his past merits. This is why I hope he's in 'Brawl and that he is the same person in both MM and TP (which all things point to being true).
I don't think there's room for her returning. If she did, she'd have to over-ride the whole mirror conundrum and be the first companion to do so. There's also not much point as far as story goes. That boat has sailed. We may just be able to judge if she is a recurrence and breaking of the rule by her form in TP. If closely tied to Link, obviously not, in Imp form, a possibility and if in her non-Twili form then there's a fantastic chance. As far as 'Brawl goes, I believe her Imp form would be best fitted for her.
Thanks. I'm not too sure about the tentacles, it would give Skull kid a bit of darkness to him but would be a little out of place unless they somehow illuminated the mask when he performed said moves. The ocarina playing a part in any moves of Skull kid would be the best big up for the '64 era I can think of, or any character from that era for that matter.
Sakurai can (hopefully) be trusted.He may believe it was a mistake, he might not, that's up to Sakurai alone (unfortunately
Well, being a quadruped in Pikachu's sense is hardly useful. I'm sure any sort of hound could stand on his hind legs if still, as Pikachu does. In movement Pikachu runs on all fours, which is what is most important.
Tiny arms? I prefer her using primarily her orange hair/fused shadow thing to punch with the orange energy. You may be right, but you never know. They could be trying to balance things out after adding the Triforce trio in TP form. Midna would be greatly suited to being a stage hazard using her fused shadow. It's all up to Sakurai and his team, and I hope they take the high road when they decide upon characters. A possible outcome would be that after changing Zelda and Ganondorf so much from their 'Melee counterparts they only get around to adding one or two Zelda characters, meaning WW Link (or some form of Young Link) and a character from the '64 era, meaning we get Skull kid or Tingle and three Zelda games represented at least. Then again, as you say, if TP representation is the main preoccupation for Sakurai Midna will steal a spot over anyone else. At least WW Link is a certainty.
Not gonna do a quote war on this one because a lot of your points ring true. The only differences in your list as compared to mine is Toad dropped for Bowser Jr., Olimar dropped and Samurai Goroh, Skull Kid, Marth and Phoenix Wright added. Considering that my list comprised of 40 and yours of 43 the only real differences were the Toad/Bowser Jr. thing and Olimar being replaced by one of the latter 4. Not really too sure about Samurai Goroh since I don't think F-Zero has been all that important enough to Nintendo recently to warrent 2 characters and would've preferred to see Olimar in his stead, but apart from that I'd be overjoyed to see that roster be revealed.
Olimar's size is brought to your attention yes as it is a more top-down view of surroundings (birdseye would be directly above) but I wouldn't have him feel to out of place being normal sized in Brawl. I could create an extensive and no doubt fantastic Olimar moveset if you'd like to see how I envision him working in Smash Bros.. At the end of the day it's more or less the same argument as Mario and Bowser, Samus and Ridley etc. of how in Super Mario <bla bla bla> and Metriod <bla bla bla> the evil villain counterparts are oh so huge compared our beloved hero/heroine, and yet in Smash Bros. (fingers crossed for Ridley anyhow) they will be far smaller. I'd prefer a scaledown and have them included than them being omitted completely and I feel the same way about Olimar's inclusion and scaleup.
For Zelda, in a series where Link is a different Link in pretty much all the games but at the same time the same Link, the Hero of Time etc., I think it'd be a bit unreasonable to say that they won't in some way find a way to bring back Midna. They could do it if they want I'm sure, but again I'm with you on thinking that they won't. Nevertheless, we can know it only as much as we know the Brawl roster - only when it's revealed to us ^^.
My concern with the Midna moveset is not that she's incapable of attacking at all, I know her hair would make a great few moves, but would the same orange punchy fist really make up all of her moves? A, AA, AAA+, A-> tilt, A-> smash, A^ tilt, A^ smash, A\/ tilt, A\/ smash, Dash attack, Nair Fair Bair Dair Uair, grab + throws, grab hit, B, B->, B^ AND!? B down? Apart from her dark magic, of which we only know she can teleport (huzzah, B^ sorted), it's a pretty big stretch of the imagination to think she could have a non-boring moveset which used the hair in all of those different ways. The reason why I would prefer Wolf Link included is not because it's better as a character itself but because it would make the A moves varied and believeable.
Whether I like it or not they're going to milk the Midna cash cow for Brawl Personally I didn't even like her that much while playing through TP >.> Ending was quite nice, but for the most part it would've been nice if she hadn't been capable of speech.
Olimar's size is brought to your attention yes as it is a more top-down view of surroundings (birdseye would be directly above) but I wouldn't have him feel to out of place being normal sized in Brawl. I could create an extensive and no doubt fantastic Olimar moveset if you'd like to see how I envision him working in Smash Bros.. At the end of the day it's more or less the same argument as Mario and Bowser, Samus and Ridley etc. of how in Super Mario <bla bla bla> and Metriod <bla bla bla> the evil villain counterparts are oh so huge compared our beloved hero/heroine, and yet in Smash Bros. (fingers crossed for Ridley anyhow) they will be far smaller. I'd prefer a scaledown and have them included than them being omitted completely and I feel the same way about Olimar's inclusion and scaleup.
For Zelda, in a series where Link is a different Link in pretty much all the games but at the same time the same Link, the Hero of Time etc., I think it'd be a bit unreasonable to say that they won't in some way find a way to bring back Midna. They could do it if they want I'm sure, but again I'm with you on thinking that they won't. Nevertheless, we can know it only as much as we know the Brawl roster - only when it's revealed to us ^^.
My concern with the Midna moveset is not that she's incapable of attacking at all, I know her hair would make a great few moves, but would the same orange punchy fist really make up all of her moves? A, AA, AAA+, A-> tilt, A-> smash, A^ tilt, A^ smash, A\/ tilt, A\/ smash, Dash attack, Nair Fair Bair Dair Uair, grab + throws, grab hit, B, B->, B^ AND!? B down? Apart from her dark magic, of which we only know she can teleport (huzzah, B^ sorted), it's a pretty big stretch of the imagination to think she could have a non-boring moveset which used the hair in all of those different ways. The reason why I would prefer Wolf Link included is not because it's better as a character itself but because it would make the A moves varied and believeable.
Whether I like it or not they're going to milk the Midna cash cow for Brawl
Personally I didn't even like her that much while playing through TP >.> Ending was quite nice, but for the most part it would've been nice if she hadn't been capable of speech.
Smady
Smash Master
I felt it would be easier for me here because there's a lot less text than last time. That post took about half an hour at least.
I also added Falco, G&W and made some suggestions for Mother/Fire Emblem because of my lack of knowledge for them. I'm glad someone likes it, for now at least. I tried to add a character to each existing franchise to sort of even things out. I also decided that we should keep Marth as he was a popular choice for 'Melee and one of the top tiers/favourites with players.
Fair enough. This would be the argument for characters being portrayed as if they were all in the same game, rather than putting in real physics depending on their real height and weight. As menacing as a massive Ridley would be, he wouldn't be practical or an easy to use character so would be a loss. Same with Captain Olimar, as is that side of the argument. I can't argue too much - I'd also rather have characters in without having removals due to size issues, something which never mattered to Smash before.
Yes. That's basically all I have to say on this.
I think her A moves could use her hair, whilst her Bs use her "Dark Magic" or something along the lines. I think using her levitating abilities is the best way to go. Such as using her force field attack (I forget it's name) to keep opponents grounded whilst doing a little damage, or even something stupid like using the fused shadows as projectiles. They'll find a way.
Yes. She was one of the more annoying companions, especially with the first three temples, where she effectively treated you like ****. I also wished she'd just shut up. That gibberish felt like a knife through my soul. Horrible, horrible voice-acting.Whether I like it or not they're going to milk the Midna cash cow for Brawl
I have faith in Sakurai massaging the udders rather than squeezing every last drop from them. He could go full out with her, using her for a stage, as a hazard and as a character, but we all know Sakurai is capable and knows that this cash cow has foot and mouth disease.
Yeah I just sorta noticed that the last couple of pages or so, while very intellectual and featuring some very good arguments, were a bit sore on the old eyesI felt it would be easier for me here because there's a lot less text than last time. That post took about half an hour at least.
.Oops, guess I missed those 2 ^^. While I'm all for Game and Watch (would've been about my 43rd or 44th character to include) I must ask "why Falco?". With other series deserving representation I feel StarFox, whose franchise has undeniably waned in the past years, needs 4 characters? Fox, Wolf and Krystal all make good additions since StarFox still is a quality franchise which is expanded on frequently and Hero/Villain/Heroine is always a good mix for the balance of Smash Bros.
I feel Falco doesn't really bring anything new to the table. I know he has a fanbase and it'd be a shame to miss him from Melee but his inclusion in the first place was only really popular because he was top tier and if he was replaced by a strong, cooler character I don't think he will be missed much. Same goes for Marth really but I have a softer spot for him what with him being a swordsman and all
.I just get the feeling her A moves would be a bit stale. Dark Magic always has the potential to be expanded on, and that's good, but it won't be anything really familiar from TP perhaps. I could be wrong, infact I probably am, I just can't remember Midna doing much magic apart from the teleporting and transforming. Also if she would undoubtedly use the hair to grab, then what does she give them the ol' sly dig with? Probably the dark magic again >.> although that's hardly as awesome as a quick few knees to the groin like most characters do. I also find the thought of her down A's and dash attack a bit awkward with the hair, but that's probably just me.
And even when you burn the cash cow to get rid of the foot and mouth, it still leaves a nasty smellSakurai is capable and knows that this cash cow has foot and mouth disease.
.Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Boo! Another lame update. Rather than get two previously confirmed characters, we only get one. Not cool.
In other news, I'm starting a list of runner up characters that didn't quite make my roster predictions. Check out my first post, if you're interested. Also, let me know who else you think is worthy of being recognized as a potential playable character in Brawl.
I can definitly see Skull Kid and Imp Midna being in Brawl (although, probably not both...) but I can't see why anyone would prefer old characters like Shiek and Mewtwo over new characters. I want Brawl to be a completely unique Smash Bros, not Melee 2.0.
I re-read Sakurai’s poll to see how many times Dixie was nominated. Care to guess of how many?
NONE! That’s right, Diddy got four nominations while K.Rool and Diddy/Dixie tagteam got one each.
What was that you were saying about majority rules, again?
I still think that 4 Pokemon is a fair number. I was equally tough on series like Fire Emblem, which only got two characters.
Tom Nook could just as likely be the new god-tier, Kahn is unlikely but infinitly more awesome than any character I cut and the Black Knight is more worthy of being in Brawl than Roy was of being included in Melee.
Falco may have appeared in every SF game, but his role has never been more important than Slippy’s and the recent games I’ve played (Adventures and Assault) have given far greater emphasis on Wolf and Krystal.
I know Geno is owned by Square, I did list him under third party characters after all. I just think that if Nintendo wants to get the Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts crowd to buy Brawl in large numbers, they a Square rep from one of those games, not the Mario universe.
True, Kojima’s influence was the greatest factor in Snake’s appearing, but he doesn’t own the character, Konami does – and they also own Belmont. After all they starred together in the Smash Bros rip off Dream Mix Tv World Fighters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamMix_TV_World_Fighters
However, I do plan on buying FFIII for the DS after I beat Super Paper Mario.
1) He appeared in Elite Beat Agents, the most critically acclaimed DS game of 2006.
2) He represents a currently relevant franchise.
3) Kahn is also awesome. Agents Are GOOOOOOOOOOO!
4) Kahn could even more original than G&W. I magine a moveset made up entirely of dance moves!
5-10)
“Shut UP! That’s why!”
Miis are aweseome!
Like I’ve said, I wouldn’t bet the farm on Klaona or Vatti making it, but it’s not impossible.
I don’t think any Japanese only characters deserve a place in Smash, and that includes Marth and Staffy. But that’s just me.
Shadow is next to impossible as an original character, but maybe sonic will have a Black alternate costume that looks just like him.
@ Smash Daddy: You and mendez are correct that Phoenix Wright would be an awesome addition. I give a slight edge to Kahn, however, as his game was published by Nintendo. On the whole, I give you 8.5 out of ten. It would be higher, but the lack of Captian Olimar is just too horrific to contimplate.
Edit: Wow, that post was full of errors. I think I've fixed most of them now.
In other news, I'm starting a list of runner up characters that didn't quite make my roster predictions. Check out my first post, if you're interested. Also, let me know who else you think is worthy of being recognized as a potential playable character in Brawl.
Thanks for taking the time to post on my thread. Its always good to hear someone else's point of view.
I can definitly see Skull Kid and Imp Midna being in Brawl (although, probably not both...) but I can't see why anyone would prefer old characters like Shiek and Mewtwo over new characters. I want Brawl to be a completely unique Smash Bros, not Melee 2.0.
WHAT?!?! OVER NINE THOUSAND?!?!?!Just like the bet I made against my friend today that the GC controller will be used over the Wiimote=idiot=free $20 from my friend.
I'll explain it for you non-Earthbound players. This random guy comes out of nowhere via floating and spinning, at the randomest moments, gives Ness and crew (once he gets Paula, Jeff, and Poo to join him) boring speeches, and then takes their picture in which he says "say fuzzy pickles". Then Ness makes this face
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872&highlight=sakurai+poll
I re-read Sakurai’s poll to see how many times Dixie was nominated. Care to guess of how many?
NONE! That’s right, Diddy got four nominations while K.Rool and Diddy/Dixie tagteam got one each.
What was that you were saying about majority rules, again?
If we all agree that the CD-I games never happened, they don’t exist.There must be a lot of Pickachu lovers out there who take their love to the extremes (it's all about BLASTOISE!
^^^^ You can't disagree, that was the most sarcastic thing ever said in the history of the world!
I still think that 4 Pokemon is a fair number. I was equally tough on series like Fire Emblem, which only got two characters.
How’s this for a change: we just replace Zelda’s down-b with a self destruct move. That is a change I could live with.
If anyone refuses to play Brawl because their favorite character was nerfed or replaced, they don’t deserve to play the game. Any reasonable person would just choose another character like Pit or Meta Knight.
Tom Nook could just as likely be the new god-tier, Kahn is unlikely but infinitly more awesome than any character I cut and the Black Knight is more worthy of being in Brawl than Roy was of being included in Melee.
Falco may have appeared in every SF game, but his role has never been more important than Slippy’s and the recent games I’ve played (Adventures and Assault) have given far greater emphasis on Wolf and Krystal.
As is made evident this week, Sakurai will do whatever the heck he wants – regardless of what the fans think they want. I’m pretty sure a creative genius such as he will not be content to simply copy Melee’s roster. I strongly suspect that many of the minor characters like Sheik and Falco will be cut in favor of new additions.I saw a poll under Brawl discussion that says that Marth was the most desired character for Melee in 99' in Japan. If I find it, I'll give you a link, it is a very intresting find. I'm not doubting Ike at all, I'm just saying Marth was the most wanted for Melee, and his popularity is up there with the most popular. Why remove the most popular characters and **** fans off, I don't see Sakurai doing it, unless he's trying to boost Melee sales while dropping Brawl's.
I do.
Almost all his standard attacks are copied from Mario and his B-attacks are mostly variations on Mario’s attacks. Luigi is the golden standard for a clone: he’s original enough that he feels like a completely original character.
Nook represents an entire series. Falco is just a supporting character. Falco is not more important than Nook.I want the Mii's, but sadly I can't make a Darth Vader Mii.
Crono is a possibly, but Sora strikes me as a more unique addition. I could be wrong in that regard as I’ve never played either of their games. Also Sora is on Sakurai’s poll.
I know Geno is owned by Square, I did list him under third party characters after all. I just think that if Nintendo wants to get the Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts crowd to buy Brawl in large numbers, they a Square rep from one of those games, not the Mario universe.
Let me be clear: I’m not saying that Sakurai would put in Belmont over Sonic IF HE HAD A CHOICE. But the hard part isn’t deciding which characters to include, its negotiating with companies like Konami over how many zeros it will take before they sign off on a character's inclusion inclusion. And since the roster was likely finalized last year, I’m not convinced that the suits at Nintendo and Sega were able to reach a deal in time.The boost in sells of series that have characters that are represented in SSB generally increase a lot for most fo the lesser heard series. Just look at a little thing called Fire Emblem. Sega realizes this, and Nintendo doesn't want to screw over their chances with sorta alling themselves with Sega by making Sonic weak, so expect him to be a mid-high, high, or top tier character. Plus if Sega doesn't add him, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a MAJOR boycott of Sonic games if Sonic isn't in Brawl (some people are like that).
Belmont isn't in that big of a series compared to Megaman, Sonic, Resident Evil (throw that one out there), and Kingdm Hearts, along with many others, but Castlevania still sells EXTREMELY well (all of which I mentioned are in the top 40 selling video game series of all time).
O, and Hideo Kojima may work at Koonami, and made the MG/MGS series, but Castlevania is rpoduced by Koji Igarashi. Besides, Kojima begged, and he got what we wanted, as did we.
True, Kojima’s influence was the greatest factor in Snake’s appearing, but he doesn’t own the character, Konami does – and they also own Belmont. After all they starred together in the Smash Bros rip off Dream Mix Tv World Fighters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamMix_TV_World_Fighters
Those aren’t bad choices. I particularly think that Issac stands a decent chance.I'm going to state this, the only 3rd party characters that have at least fair chances at being in Brawl IMO in order are:
-Sonic (star of the 9th best selling video game series of all time)
-Megaman (star of the 18th best selling video game series of all time)
-Geno (Super Mario RPG)
-Chrono (Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross)
-Issac (Golden Sun series)
-Bomberman (about the same chances as Belmont, maybe changeable, but he's more wanted for Brawl)
-Belmont (HAHA, bet you didn't see that one coming Wiseguy!) (Castlevania)
Side Note: I've read in several places that Kojima is making courses in SSBB, probably the MG/MGS ones, and hopefully he'll do more friggen awsome stages in Brawl, that would make us all pretty happy! (fingers crossed)
I admit it: I’ve never played a FF game.
However, I do plan on buying FFIII for the DS after I beat Super Paper Mario.
Okay, but there are also equally good reaons that apply to someone like Kahn, who hasn’t had the privilege of appearing in a Smash Bros game yet.1.He really kickstarted Nintendo's video gaming success
2.He started Nintendo's handheld/arcade career basically
3.He's awsome, original, and adds a certain uniqueness no amount of new characters can replace.
4.He's got some pretty intresting moves and combos
5.He still is in newer games, and is going to be in a upcoming Japan only game (most likely)
6.He's basically in all the Wario Ware games in some way, shape, or form.
7.The series feels completely diffrent without him
8.He adds uniqueness to the series, and brings that to new extremes.
9.Nintendo loves their classic characters, and Nintendo isn't know for dropping characters because they are old.
10.Because I said so, and "THIS IS SPARTA!"=best reason ever!
1) He appeared in Elite Beat Agents, the most critically acclaimed DS game of 2006.
2) He represents a currently relevant franchise.
3) Kahn is also awesome. Agents Are GOOOOOOOOOOO!
4) Kahn could even more original than G&W. I magine a moveset made up entirely of dance moves!
5-10)
“Shut UP! That’s why!”
I don’t know much about Earthbound, but I’d say that, objectively speaking, Poo is a lot cooler than Paula.Also note that Paula is still A LOT more likely that Poo, and she is the strongest PSI user out of the entire team (Ness is about as good). Besides, he might scare off possible smash N00bs with his name if he is in Brawl, and he really isn't anywhere as powerful as Pauala. Plus, she'd be a better clone, and a much better original character!
Hey! You broke the rules. I said to make a list with 40 characters total – with every clone counting as 1/3 of one character slot as they take less development time. Meh, I’ll give you 7.5/10 this time.Take out Belmont and Sora to make the 3rd party characters perfectly accurate (unless Geno doesn't make it=
Then replace Poo with Paula or Lucas, replace the Black Knight with Marth, trade King K Rool with Dixie Kong (add K Rool if you can), add Falco, and ther you go! That's 42 or 43 (I'm guessing we'll get 40-44). Then replace Mii's with IC (IC own!), add G&W, cut Midna, and cut Bowser Jr., then add Roy and Mewtwo. Ther you have it, a 43 or 44 character roster that pwns! Now for fun I'll make another character list!
My character list (UPDATED!):
Mario series: (4)
-Mario
-Luigi
-Peach
-Bowser!
Donkey Kong: (3)
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda series: (5)
-Link (TP form)
-WW Link
-Zelda (Shiek=????, but probably won't happen) (TP form)
-Ganondorf (with 1 sword!=TP form)
-Midna (Imp form)
Metroid (basically the closest thing to West only): (4)
-Samus
-Zamus
-Ridley
-Dark Samus
Star Fox: (4)
-Fox
-Falco
-Wolf
-Krystal
Pokemon series: (5)
-Pickachu
-Jigglypuff
-Mewtwo
-Lucario
-Deoxys
Fire Emblem series: (3)
-Marth
-Ike
-Roy
Kiby's Dreamland series: (3)
-Kirby
-MetaKnight
-King Dedede
F-Zero series: (2)
-Capt. Falcon
-Samurai Goroh
Earthbound/Mother series: (2)
-Ness
-Lucas (if not, Paula!)
Other Nintendo characters: (6)
-Pit
-Wario
-Yoshi
-Capt. Olimar
-Ice Clmibers
-Mr. Game and Watch!
3rd Party characters: (3 if Geno doesn't make it, 4 if he does, but more likely 3)
-Snake!
-Sonic
-Megaman!!!!
-Geno (could go either way)
That's 44 characters, which I think will be about the number of characters in Brawl (I'm guessing 45 at most, with 41-44 as ver likley)! Now that's an impressive list, and who wouldn't be pleased with that=??? 45 if you add Geno, and the last few characters who I cut (in this order, from most to least likley: Mii's, K. Rool, Mach Rider, Little Mac, Blazekein, and Black Shadow=lame!) Now c'mon, who wouldn't be pleased with that list=???
Miis are aweseome!
Doexys and Lucario both stand an excellent chance of making it, unless people stop buying those dang Pokemon games any time soon.
Like I’ve said, I wouldn’t bet the farm on Klaona or Vatti making it, but it’s not impossible.
I don’t think any Japanese only characters deserve a place in Smash, and that includes Marth and Staffy. But that’s just me.
Shadow is next to impossible as an original character, but maybe sonic will have a Black alternate costume that looks just like him.
@ Smash Daddy: You and mendez are correct that Phoenix Wright would be an awesome addition. I give a slight edge to Kahn, however, as his game was published by Nintendo. On the whole, I give you 8.5 out of ten. It would be higher, but the lack of Captian Olimar is just too horrific to contimplate.
Edit: Wow, that post was full of errors. I think I've fixed most of them now.
I second that notion.
Smady
Smash Master
Yeah, it's all a bit much sometimes. I wasn't in the mood to reply last night but today I feel a lot better about it.Yeah I just sorta noticed that the last couple of pages or so, while very intellectual and featuring some very good arguments, were a bit sore on the old eyes
I added Falco because he's too important to be removed, or rather he hasn't waned over the years in the franchise enough to be removed. He's been in all seven( or so) games and has a rightful place as a representative of the franchise. Now with Fox having at least a few changes I expect Falco is either sticking with Fox's old moveset or getting a change himself, but a removal? I feel that the StarFox franchise needs all four characters because they are all diverse in their position in the series. The main character, the main supporting character, a female supporting character and a villain/rival.
Falco's popularity and importance are precisely why he shouldn't be removed, along with Marth. If you remove three top tier characters you're making a select group very angry y'know.I feel Falco doesn't really bring anything new to the table. I know he has a fanbase and it'd be a shame to miss him from Melee but his inclusion in the first place was only really popular because he was top tier and if he was replaced by a strong, cooler character I don't think he will be missed much. Same goes for Marth really but I have a softer spot for him what with him being a swordsman and all
Obviously, the third top tier character (Zelda's manbeast form) is a needed removal.
Maybe her down A could be the forcefield move? I'unno, Midna needs to either be alone or in an origional form such as the non-Twili form to retain herself and not be lost in the oncoming barrage of Zelda characters. The Smash team are great at creating movesets out of nothing, and Midna has something, so I have faith that they would have ideas for an Imp Midna. Midna played a huge role in TP, so has a lot of stuff to go by. Magic, fused shadow, forcefield, teleportation, levitation. Although I'd rather she wasn't included at all.
No amount of air fresheners will cover the smell of a burnt Midna in the morn'.And even when you burn the cash cow to get rid of the foot and mouth, it still leaves a nasty smell
Glad to hearYeah, it's all a bit much sometimes. I wasn't in the mood to reply last night but today I feel a lot better about it.
Was kinda bored last night with no-one to debate with StarFox games of recent have been lackluster. Command, Assault and Adventure all annoyed StarFox fans from what I gathered, haven't played them myself, and so I'm unsure if they need 4 characters. StarFox isn't what it was once and if there was 4 characters in, Falco would be sure as hell in, but I feel that only 3 are necessary and in that case wouldn't you agree that Wolf and Krystal are more popular (and probably equally important)?
Brawl will be a clean slate for character tiers and with the impending nerf of Fox, Marth, C.Falcon and Falco/Marth if they return, I doubt there'll still be that many playing them. Would "a select group" get very angry if their attributes and attacks changed? The lag changed? If Marth was included but instead a former shadow of his glory I doubt there'll be many still left playing him, since it was his imbalanced moveset rather than him that made him so so popular. I really do like Marth, but I see him easily replaceable by Ike. That, and the Black Knight just brims with awesomeness he'll have to be put in.If you remove three top tier characters you're making a select group very angry y'know.
Your guess is as good as mine at how they'll get around her character design, which while working for the Imp in TP isn't really Smash stuff :/. I just wish i wasn't so sure she'll be includedMaybe her down A could be the forcefield move? I'unno, Midna needs to either be alone or in an origional form such as the non-Twili form to retain herself and not be lost in the oncoming barrage of Zelda characters. The Smash team are great at creating movesets out of nothing, and Midna has something, so I have faith that they would have ideas for an Imp Midna. Midna played a huge role in TP, so has a lot of stuff to go by. Magic, fused shadow, forcefield, teleportation, levitation. Although I'd rather she wasn't included at all.
.No amount of air fresheners will cover the smell of a burnt Midna in the morn'.
GreenMamba
Smash Journeyman
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Did you know that the character mentions in the mailbag mean absolutely nothing? I got Kimhari Ronso, a GameFaqs member who's fluent in Japanese to look into it... and they mean absolutely nothing. Zip.
Want to know why? When you sent in your mailbag letter using the form that they had on the site, one of the little boxes in the form asks what your favorite characters are. It is entirely seperate from the actual letter that you send in, and Sakurai never, not once during the entire mailbag, makes any comment about the characters in this part of the letter. He only responded to the letter at hand. About 90% of all of the possible newcomer mentions in the mailbag were from this part. They mean absolutely nothing.
Just thought I'd bring that up.
Want to know why? When you sent in your mailbag letter using the form that they had on the site, one of the little boxes in the form asks what your favorite characters are. It is entirely seperate from the actual letter that you send in, and Sakurai never, not once during the entire mailbag, makes any comment about the characters in this part of the letter. He only responded to the letter at hand. About 90% of all of the possible newcomer mentions in the mailbag were from this part. They mean absolutely nothing.
Just thought I'd bring that up.
Smady
Smash Master
Maybe you could do something a little naughty...Glad to hear
The games have indeed sucked recently, but Nintendo (I gather) still considers it one of their big franchises, not biggest, but a bit of income at least. Considering how long it's been going, no matter how bad it is now, it's become a staple of Nintendo. 'Adventure and 'Assault were horrendous. 'Command was meh. '64 was one of the greatest N64 games, which is why the '64 based 'Command isn't so terrible. And now with an upcoming StarFox game for the Wii in the future you have to really think about the future of StarFox. It's still very popular, thus the inclusion of four characters makes sense when one of them could possibly be a clone.
Hopefully. But with the nerfing of all top tier characters, is it fair to make them the new Kirby/Pikachu/Nesses solely because they are top tier? Once they're nerfed, do we un-nerf K/P/N or leave them nerfed too? They need to be altered, but please no nerfing! It's not fair on these characters, they each need to have at least a margin of their past greatness.
Marth and Ike are both really popular, the most popular, so with the removal of Roy you can certainly imagine him being replaced with Ike. Also by removing Marth and Roy you lose any sense of the FE presence in 'Melee that helped it gain worldwide awareness. Let's not abandon both of the characters that started it.
Black Knight. Um... I haven't played FE, so you're right. Your opinion on anything Mother/Earthbound or Fire Emblem-wise is above mine as far as the actual games workings go.
Same. Her place would be better filled by basically any other character. Such an awkward character to add, and so annoying.Your guess is as good as mine at how they'll get around her character design, which while working for the Imp in TP isn't really Smash stuff :/. I just wish i wasn't so sure she'll be included
Almost wants to make you dress like Zant and **** a Midna doll. 'Not like I've done that.
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
Since other people are doing it I might as well make my own list.
Mario: 5
Mario
Peach
Luigi
Bowser
Toad OR Bowser jr.
Reasons: I seriously can't decide who has better chances, toad or Bowser jr. On one hand Toad has the whole been part of the series for a long time thing but on the other hand Bowser jr. has the whole second villain thing so as far as I'm concerned its a toss up.
Zelda: 5
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Y.Link (cell shaded)
Vaati
Reasons: People have tried and tried but no one has convinced me of Midna having a good chance so far. Vaati on the other hand is the second villain of the franchise while at the same time being cell shaded Link's rival so I would be surprised if Vaati ISN'T in the game as a PC.
Pokemon:4
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Mewtwo
Reasons: Lucario is an extremely popular choice and has a recent movie while Jigglypuff is coming back because in an interview Sakurai said all of the smash 64 characters are coming back. Mewtwo is the original bad guy Pokemon so I think he is coming back with a new moveset.
F-Zero: 3
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Pico
Reasons: I know what your thinking, "THREE CHARACTERS ARE YOU HIGH?!?!?!?!?", but I'm fairly confident that Goroh and Pico will make it because Goroh is Falcon's rival and Pico is the reason the great crash (the most important event in the entire storyline) happened. It helps they where part of the original four racers as well.
Earthbound: 2
Ness
Poo
Reasons: I know virtually nothing about this franchise but Ness is confirmed to come back and alot of people say Poo has a good chance so there must be some reason.
Fire emblem: 3
Marth
Ike
Black Knight
Reasons: Marth is the face of the franchise so he isn't going anywhere and Ike is the most recent and most popular lord so I think they are both guaranteed. The Black Knight is a major villain in the two most recent and released internationally games and we need more villains so thats why I chose him too.
Yoshi: 1
Yoshi
Reasons: The only real possible rep for the Yoshi games and he is also confirmed.
D.K: 3
D.K
Diddy
K.Rool
Reasons: Diddy is the second most important character in the franchise while K.Rool is the franchises bad guy so I think both of them are almost guaranteed.
Star Fox: 3
Fox
Wolf
Krystal
Reasons: It pains me to say this but my main Falco will be leaving and be replaced by Wolf. Krystal is the love interest and she also has an easy to make original moveset.
Wario: 1
Wario
Reasons: Wario just got here so I'd be surprised if he brought anyone with him on his first smash outing.
Metroid: 3
Samus/Zamus (NOT two separate characters)
Ridley
Dark Samus (NOT a clone)
Reasons: Ridley is the rival and villain of the franchise and stuff so yeah he's in the game Dark Samus however is continually attacked by people because they think she's just a Samus clone or they think that smash doesn't need three Samus's. The truth is however that DS is metroid prime in the phazon suit so it's not another Samus and if you actually played the game you would see how differently they fight.
Retros: 6
G&W
Pit
Balloon fighter
Mach rider
Little Mac
IC's
Reasons: I see no reason to take out G&W and IC's even though I personally don't like them that much. All of the other retros I listed where and still are today very popular and where very important to Nintendo back in the old days.
New franchises: 3
Nook
Olimar
Ouendan
Reasons: All three of the above listed are the faces of new up and coming and VERY popular franchises.
Third party: 3
Snake
Sonic
Someone else
Reasons: Snake is confirmed and they've been dropping so many hints for Sonic that it's impossible for him to not be in. Other than those two the other third party rep can be anyone as far as I'm concerned.
Kirby:
Kirby
Meta knight
King DeDeDe
Reasons: Sakurai made Kirby and DeDeDe is the main villain so yeah.
That comes to a grand total of 48 characters (49 if you count Samus and Zamus separately) which I believe is a very possible number. Sakurai said in an interview that there will be a max of 50 characters which hints that they will have somewhere in the high forties when they are completed. Also they have all of the technology that they had when they made melee which means that the characters that are returning from melee with the same moveset will take a very small amount of time to make.
Now lets have a moment of silence for those great characters that won't be making it in.
Deoxys: My most wanted pokemon sadly probably won't make it because of stupid Jigglypuff returning and taking up a rep spot.
Skull Kid: The greatest and most underrated Zelda character while having a good chance of appearing pales in comparison to Vaati so I hate to admit this but SK probably won't make it to brawl. He certainly beats the crap out of that ***** Midna though.
Happy mask salesman: Say what you will but I stand by my statements when I made this guys thread. He is a great character that if he does make it to brawl (VERY low chance) he would have not only the most original moveset (masks and moods) but he would also be the most surprising character ever in a smash game.
Mario: 5
Mario
Peach
Luigi
Bowser
Toad OR Bowser jr.
Reasons: I seriously can't decide who has better chances, toad or Bowser jr. On one hand Toad has the whole been part of the series for a long time thing but on the other hand Bowser jr. has the whole second villain thing so as far as I'm concerned its a toss up.
Zelda: 5
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Y.Link (cell shaded)
Vaati
Reasons: People have tried and tried but no one has convinced me of Midna having a good chance so far. Vaati on the other hand is the second villain of the franchise while at the same time being cell shaded Link's rival so I would be surprised if Vaati ISN'T in the game as a PC.
Pokemon:4
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Mewtwo
Reasons: Lucario is an extremely popular choice and has a recent movie while Jigglypuff is coming back because in an interview Sakurai said all of the smash 64 characters are coming back. Mewtwo is the original bad guy Pokemon so I think he is coming back with a new moveset.
F-Zero: 3
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Pico
Reasons: I know what your thinking, "THREE CHARACTERS ARE YOU HIGH?!?!?!?!?", but I'm fairly confident that Goroh and Pico will make it because Goroh is Falcon's rival and Pico is the reason the great crash (the most important event in the entire storyline) happened. It helps they where part of the original four racers as well.
Earthbound: 2
Ness
Poo
Reasons: I know virtually nothing about this franchise but Ness is confirmed to come back and alot of people say Poo has a good chance so there must be some reason.
Fire emblem: 3
Marth
Ike
Black Knight
Reasons: Marth is the face of the franchise so he isn't going anywhere and Ike is the most recent and most popular lord so I think they are both guaranteed. The Black Knight is a major villain in the two most recent and released internationally games and we need more villains so thats why I chose him too.
Yoshi: 1
Yoshi
Reasons: The only real possible rep for the Yoshi games and he is also confirmed.
D.K: 3
D.K
Diddy
K.Rool
Reasons: Diddy is the second most important character in the franchise while K.Rool is the franchises bad guy so I think both of them are almost guaranteed.
Star Fox: 3
Fox
Wolf
Krystal
Reasons: It pains me to say this but my main Falco will be leaving and be replaced by Wolf. Krystal is the love interest and she also has an easy to make original moveset.
Wario: 1
Wario
Reasons: Wario just got here so I'd be surprised if he brought anyone with him on his first smash outing.
Metroid: 3
Samus/Zamus (NOT two separate characters)
Ridley
Dark Samus (NOT a clone)
Reasons: Ridley is the rival and villain of the franchise and stuff so yeah he's in the game Dark Samus however is continually attacked by people because they think she's just a Samus clone or they think that smash doesn't need three Samus's. The truth is however that DS is metroid prime in the phazon suit so it's not another Samus and if you actually played the game you would see how differently they fight.
Retros: 6
G&W
Pit
Balloon fighter
Mach rider
Little Mac
IC's
Reasons: I see no reason to take out G&W and IC's even though I personally don't like them that much. All of the other retros I listed where and still are today very popular and where very important to Nintendo back in the old days.
New franchises: 3
Nook
Olimar
Ouendan
Reasons: All three of the above listed are the faces of new up and coming and VERY popular franchises.
Third party: 3
Snake
Sonic
Someone else
Reasons: Snake is confirmed and they've been dropping so many hints for Sonic that it's impossible for him to not be in. Other than those two the other third party rep can be anyone as far as I'm concerned.
Kirby:
Kirby
Meta knight
King DeDeDe
Reasons: Sakurai made Kirby and DeDeDe is the main villain so yeah.
That comes to a grand total of 48 characters (49 if you count Samus and Zamus separately) which I believe is a very possible number. Sakurai said in an interview that there will be a max of 50 characters which hints that they will have somewhere in the high forties when they are completed. Also they have all of the technology that they had when they made melee which means that the characters that are returning from melee with the same moveset will take a very small amount of time to make.
Now lets have a moment of silence for those great characters that won't be making it in.
Deoxys: My most wanted pokemon sadly probably won't make it because of stupid Jigglypuff returning and taking up a rep spot.
Skull Kid: The greatest and most underrated Zelda character while having a good chance of appearing pales in comparison to Vaati so I hate to admit this but SK probably won't make it to brawl. He certainly beats the crap out of that ***** Midna though.
Happy mask salesman: Say what you will but I stand by my statements when I made this guys thread. He is a great character that if he does make it to brawl (VERY low chance) he would have not only the most original moveset (masks and moods) but he would also be the most surprising character ever in a smash game.
That picture was quite disturbing. Here, have this as my gratitude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZKABJ0s7Bs. You'll thank me after watching it.
With over 40 characters im tempted to put a 4th StarFox character in but there's also other franchises *cough*Pikmin*cough* which don't already have 3 characters in ^^.
They won't become like Kirby and Ness because they were severly nerfed below the standard of most characters in Melee after being the best in the previous game. If the top tier is instead brought into line with everyone else instead of being stupidly underpowered then I can still see most of the Marth players moving on to try one of the shinier new characters that will be joining the cast.
To be honest I haven't played any Fire Emblem or Mother games myself, but from what I've read about the Black Knight he's a recurring villain in the 2 recent games and key to the storyline as I think Ike's nemesis, Ike being very popular worldwide too starring the in the past 2 games etc. For Mother characters I'm not really fussed, and infact if I wasn't sure (I hate being sure) that it will get 2 representatives for Brawl I'd scrap Poo altogether and add in another character that I wanted. Stupid roster predicitions are so cruel like that.
Zant. Zant...Zanty zanty zanty. I hate him. Worst excuse for a hyped up boss fight ever. Why did they do that, why!? He was such a badass throughout the entire of TP and then you get face to face with him and he's a complete and utter joke. I'm surprised they didn't make one of his attacks "smear wall with faeces" since they took him in the "idiotic lunatic" direction instead of going in a decent direction with him.
<-- Is working on extensive Olimar movelist, so please excuse me if I'm slow to reply.
With over 40 characters im tempted to put a 4th StarFox character in but there's also other franchises *cough*Pikmin*cough* which don't already have 3 characters in ^^.
They won't become like Kirby and Ness because they were severly nerfed below the standard of most characters in Melee after being the best in the previous game. If the top tier is instead brought into line with everyone else instead of being stupidly underpowered then I can still see most of the Marth players moving on to try one of the shinier new characters that will be joining the cast.
To be honest I haven't played any Fire Emblem or Mother games myself, but from what I've read about the Black Knight he's a recurring villain in the 2 recent games and key to the storyline as I think Ike's nemesis, Ike being very popular worldwide too starring the in the past 2 games etc. For Mother characters I'm not really fussed, and infact if I wasn't sure (I hate being sure) that it will get 2 representatives for Brawl I'd scrap Poo altogether and add in another character that I wanted. Stupid roster predicitions are so cruel like that
.Zant. Zant...Zanty zanty zanty. I hate him. Worst excuse for a hyped up boss fight ever. Why did they do that, why!? He was such a badass throughout the entire of TP and then you get face to face with him and he's a complete and utter joke. I'm surprised they didn't make one of his attacks "smear wall with faeces" since they took him in the "idiotic lunatic" direction instead of going in a decent direction with him.
<-- Is working on extensive Olimar movelist, so please excuse me if I'm slow to reply.
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Welcome to the discussion Green Mamba.
Okay, I find this a little confusing so I hope you can straighten me out. If I understand it correctly, Sakurai opened a Japanese poll in which he invited people to make character suugestions. Of the mailbag letters sent in, he responded to a select few, and in responding to these letters he revealed the character of choice of each indiviual letter writer (which is separate from the actual letter itself).
So, while the actual results of the thousands of people polled reamin a mystery, we do have what might be called a representative sample of a hundred or so - the people that Sakurai saw as worth responding to. Also, while all their letters were not all directly related to their character choice, my guess (which I base on no evidence whatsoever) is that at least some of them were.
Maybe you and Kimhari Ronso are correct that the mailbag characters are utterly irrelivant, but I'm not so sure. In any case, its my stupid mistake to make and the worst case scenario is that my predictions are proved wrong (which may or may not refelct the meaningfullness of the mailbag character list) so it really doesn't bother me either way.
No real argumnt here, but I'd give the edge to Bowser Jr. becuase of his importance in the recent Mario games. (
But I guess everyone already knew that.)Vaati has certainly appeared in the second most games of any villian (FS, FSA, MC repsectively) so I would argee that he is the second most prominent villian in the series. However, while I respect the Four Swords games they are neither the most popular, critically acclaimed or recent games in the Zelda series. For that reason, I think characters from Twilight Princess and the Wind Waker sequel Pahntom Hourglass will represent the series this time around. Its also kind of a stretch to call Vaati the rival of "cell shaded Link". The character who fought Vaati in the Minish Cap and Four Sword games is not the same Link in WW and PH - eben though they look similar.
I had no idea Sakurai said that. Where did you read this?
That would be pretty cool, but I somehow doubt it. F-Zero, while awesome, lacks the popularity to justify putting three characters in Brawl - in my view.
Ditto.
Hey, if both the Black Knight and Marth make it, you won't hear me complain. But I think two characters are the maximum we can expect and I don't see a Japanese only character as a worthy "face of Fire Emblem" when most Fire Emblem fans can't play any of his Fire Emblem games.
No qualms here.
I wouldn't say K. Rool is as much of a certainty as Diddy, but he still has a good shot.
Agreed on all counts, except Dark Samus. While DS has the potential for a unique moveset, I think she has a greater chance of being included as a Samus clone. Given Metroid's lack of popularity in Japan, I fear that the Smash team won't give DS the chance she (?) deserves unless she could be included in a fraction of the development time.
People, there is nothing wrong with clones!
I think you went a little overboard with the retro characters Numa Dude. I'm all for one or two additional retro characters (in additon to Pit) but six is pushing it.
You would rather have a sissy Japanese male cheerleader over Commander Kahn?!?!? FOR SHAME NUMA DUDE! FOR SHAME!
I would be fine with that, but some folks would likely be ticked. Doesn't mean it won't happen though.
49 original movesets, eh? Seems really optimistic to me, Numa. Are you expecting the game to be released this year?
Overall, I give your roster a 7.5/10. I just don't see it as very probable, but I've been wrong before.
I'm worried about you Numa Dude. You've already convinced yourself that you hate Midna before you've ever played Twilight Princess. I hope you get a Wii soon, and that you can keep an open mind while playing TP. It really is the best game in the series to date and Midna plays an even greater part in its story than Link.
Smady
Smash Master
The list is way too ambiguous with Nook, Olimar and Quendan (who?), as well as four more retro characters and Pico. No matter how you spin it, F-Zero won't get two characters now after not getting any in 'Melee. As is likely that Mother won't get two, Pokemon will get at least one new one and Wario will have just the one. F-Zero isn't a big enough seller to allow a character solely on the storyline. A trophy, yes. Sorry but it's true.
I remember watching that.
Captain Olimar is the only respectable Pikmin character.
StarFox, on the other hand, has more than a few great characters.
Hopefully they won't go too far this time, but from what we know about their nerfing I think we can predict some very sad Marth/Fox/Sheik (very sad) players. I also hope that Marth isn't removed to be replaced by a new set of FE characters. Roy is replaceable, he was only there for the advertisement according to Sakurai himself. But Marth was highly requested for 'Melee and is still popular. As right as you may be if he is brought to standard, is that a good thing to happen? Will Fox be abandoned too simply because he isn't top tier? There will always be tiers, y'know, because pros will choose similar characters.
'Thing about having only Ike and Black Knight is that you're making a statement about the series, like these characters are the best and no others need serious representation. With Marth you're representing the very first 'Melee FE characters as well as another (or others, who knows) FE game. I'd also like to keep just Ness and add in someone unknown like Tombi or Klonoa or Skull kid who is actually wanted more. Mother hasn't been big for years.To be honest I haven't played any Fire Emblem or Mother games myself, but from what I've read about the Black Knight he's a recurring villain in the 2 recent games and key to the storyline as I think Ike's nemesis, Ike being very popular worldwide too starring the in the past 2 games etc. For Mother characters I'm not really fussed, and infact if I wasn't sure (I hate being sure) that it will get 2 representatives for Brawl I'd scrap Poo altogether and add in another character that I wanted. Stupid roster predicitions are so cruel like that
He had a sort of breakdown, but it was planned badly. He randomly changed when there was no reason to. I think it was Ganondorf, they couldn't handle having two very similar characters when Ganondorf was obviously deservant of being the final boss. No point in having Zant be badass if he is going to die before the end, let Ganondorf be the sole badass!
Cool! I look forward to seeing it.
Numa Dude
Smash Lord
I thought that too until I saw the reasons on the Toad thread.No real argumnt here, but I'd give the edge to Bowser Jr. becuase of his importance in the recent Mario games. (
It doesn't matter if they look the same its still Y.Link with cell shaded graphics. Recent does not equal spot in brawl for Zelda characters.
There's a thread about it in the general discussion that was made right before the site was updated.
Yeah well I suspect many more characters than you do.
Yes.
FE is one of Nintendo's oldest franchises so three reps IMO is very likely. He is the face of FE as long as I'm concerned because he was the first.
That word sounds funny.
Diddy actually has just a little competition in D.K jr. so IMO K.Rool has higher chances.
I seriously doubt if DS gets in she will be a Samus clone but thats just me. I have nothing against clones I just doubt their appearance.
Maybe you never know.
HAVE YOU SEEN KAHN DANCE?!?!?!?!? *Off topic* as of yesterday I am officially a luvin machine.
Here's hoping the third third party rep is Simon Belmont.
Yes I do because its confirmed for release this year. As I've said before all of the returning melee characters who will retain there moveset will be put in in a fraction of the time because they have access to the melee engine and all of the other tech they had. Really I think my roster is quite plausible.
Thats around what I was expecting everyone to rate it.
I don't hate Midna I'm just tired of all of the **** biased fan boys. I mean seriously have you seen some of the crappy reasons people say Midna has a good chance? No offense intended you actually give some of the better reasons I've seen for Midna's inclusion.
What the hell do you mean F-Zero isn't a big enough seller? I'm tired of people disrespecting F-Zero and acting like its a tiny unimportant franchise. It's Nintendo's premier racing franchise for crying out loud. Saying no more F-Zero reps will get in is like saying Kirby shouldn't get any more reps, oh look Kirby already has another rep.
Classic-Black
Smash Journeyman
I might as well try my hand at this...althoug i'm gonna go about it slightly differently. within the lists, i'll include a couple of runner-up chars, denoted by a (-) infront of their name. Reskins will go next to the character in parenthesis, char notes are in brackets
Mario - 5
Mario (reskin to include DR Mario and/or Paper Mario)
Luigi (Reskin for Paper Luigi)
Peach, [although i'd prefer one of her sports looks. I never understood fighting i a princess gown...] (ditto for paper reskin) (Daisy, slightly Luigified moveset. )
Bowser (ditto paper reskin)
Bowser Jr [don't care for him OR Toad. BUt if Jr's in, then some of the other Koopa kids might be included as reskins]
-Toad
-Waluigi [i'm not sure if he's made any appearences in Wario's games, so i put him here]
Legend of Zelda - 5
Link
Young Link/WW Link
Zelda [see Peach, even though i'm not sure ther4e's an alternative here]
Ganondorf
Midna- -[don't care whether it's the imp or the Twii version, it might even be possible to transform between the two]
-Vaati
-Zant
-Skull Kid
PKMN - 4
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Mewtwo
-Deoxys
Metroid - 2
Samus / Zero Suit Samus [with Zss not being a pure character addition, I see her showing up as either a result of the BRAWL icon attack, or after a certain amount of DMG has been taken
Ridley
-Dark Samus [luigified clone, sans ZSS transformation
Kirby - 3
Kirby [
Meatknight,
King Dedede
-Marx
Star Fox - 4
Fox McCloud
Falco [either keeps his original moveset, or gets altered]
Krystal
Wolf [Luigified from current Fox]
DK - 3
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K Rool
-Dixie [only gets in it they go the IC route with Diddy, otherwise theres no need to include her]
F-Zero -1
Captain Falcon
-Samurai Goroh
-one of the female drivers
Fire Emblem - 2
Ike
Black Night
-Lyn
Earthbound - 2
Ness
Lucas [luigified Ness]
-Paula
-Poo
Wario - 2
Wario
Mona
Yoshi - 2
Yoshi
Kamek
Other... - 3
Olimar
Sami
Mii [similar to Charade in SC]
Retro -3
Pit
Mach Rider
Game and Watch
-Ballon Fighter
-Kung Fu guy
Now then, that's about 40 or so possibilities there with around 4 clones. It's time to judge the third party possibilites. Snake is already confirmed and there will be a couple more entrants, this lists assumes 4 non-nintendo entrants, likely one from each brand
Just so your not confused, I only think Sonic and Megaman will make the cut
Let's look at the camps, shall we?
confirmed - Snake
Sega
Sonic - 80% this is practically everyone's wet dream, especially if you grew up with the Sonic v Mario rivalry. THe hedgehong will probably make the cut, the only nags being that he's been semi retired, and the last officla word was that it "wasn't in the cards at the moment... this leads me too
Nights - 40% this Jester has amassed quite a cult following from his singular Saturn game, couple that with the fact that a new Wii Nights game is on the way, and our androginous friend makes a good back-up from Sega if Sonic is M.I.A
The Gunstar Heroes 30% taken from either the genises or GBA.
Ubisoft
Rayman - 75% THe limbless wonder had one of the best Wii launch games, and since Ubi has already shown support for the N with this title, along with Red Steel, it's a distinct possability for him or ...
the Rabbids 50% THey overshadowed Rayman in his own first Wii outing. Since the sequel centeres around them, it would double as a nice bit of advertising for the new game
The Prince 27.5% The prince of Persia would certainly be an interesting addition from the Ubi camp, though I have no real opinion on him, since his oonly Wii game is a shameless port of Two Thrones
Capcom
Megaman 99.9 % The original bule bomber is the poster-boy for capcom, all the other posers (EXE, ZX i'm lookin at you!) pale in comparison. Even if you exclude the RM weapons, Megs has been in 3 different fighting games, and both him and X have a habit of stealing Ryu's patented Hadoken and Dragon Punch. Reskins could be made to include the Captain N version (for LAWLS), Unarmored X, and Protoman
Ryu from Street Fighter - approx 40 % Seriously, Sakurai and his team wouldn't even have to work hard for a moveset.
Anyone from Resident Evil 25% The no-guns rule would probably affect them the same way it does Snake. and what's RE without Guns and zombies?
Pheonix Wright I don't think my Favorite Lawyer stands to much of a chance, but he's a definate possiblitly since he's a Nintendo exclusive Capcom character
Konami
Simon Belmont I'm not sure if Snake's inclusion hurts or helps Belmont's chances, but my money's on the former. Either way, he's got the Retro Badass vote
Namco
Pacman - don't see it happening
Klonoa - not before Pac-man
someone from SC - not likely, but definately the easiest to include
Square
Geno 80% b/c of the cult following, and the fact that he's seems to cameo in a few newer Nintendo games
Crono -65% I want it really really bad. while our Red-headed swordsman hails from an RPG, his moveset is easily filled with the amound of tech and magic spells in his arsenal. Could probably get in as a heaviliy Luigified Link
one of the FF classes, personally I'd like the Blue Mage ??% You can't get more Square than Final Fantasy, so what better way to show off then one of the classes that started it all.
Sora Not bloody likely since his GBA effort wasn't all that hot, he would be a nice, out of left field addition, but i don't see it happening.
GOD this post was long, depending on what characters are included, and how reskins and cloning would be taken care of, I think there's somewhere between 40 and 50 characters included in this list that might actually happen. happy reading!
Mario - 5
Mario (reskin to include DR Mario and/or Paper Mario)
Luigi (Reskin for Paper Luigi)
Peach, [although i'd prefer one of her sports looks. I never understood fighting i a princess gown...] (ditto for paper reskin) (Daisy, slightly Luigified moveset. )
Bowser (ditto paper reskin)
Bowser Jr [don't care for him OR Toad. BUt if Jr's in, then some of the other Koopa kids might be included as reskins]
-Toad
-Waluigi [i'm not sure if he's made any appearences in Wario's games, so i put him here]
Legend of Zelda - 5
Link
Young Link/WW Link
Zelda [see Peach, even though i'm not sure ther4e's an alternative here]
Ganondorf
Midna- -[don't care whether it's the imp or the Twii version, it might even be possible to transform between the two]
-Vaati
-Zant
-Skull Kid
PKMN - 4
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Mewtwo
-Deoxys
Metroid - 2
Samus / Zero Suit Samus [with Zss not being a pure character addition, I see her showing up as either a result of the BRAWL icon attack, or after a certain amount of DMG has been taken
Ridley
-Dark Samus [luigified clone, sans ZSS transformation
Kirby - 3
Kirby [
Meatknight,
King Dedede
-Marx
Star Fox - 4
Fox McCloud
Falco [either keeps his original moveset, or gets altered]
Krystal
Wolf [Luigified from current Fox]
DK - 3
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K Rool
-Dixie [only gets in it they go the IC route with Diddy, otherwise theres no need to include her]
F-Zero -1
Captain Falcon
-Samurai Goroh
-one of the female drivers
Fire Emblem - 2
Ike
Black Night
-Lyn
Earthbound - 2
Ness
Lucas [luigified Ness]
-Paula
-Poo
Wario - 2
Wario
Mona
Yoshi - 2
Yoshi
Kamek
Other... - 3
Olimar
Sami
Mii [similar to Charade in SC]
Retro -3
Pit
Mach Rider
Game and Watch
-Ballon Fighter
-Kung Fu guy
Now then, that's about 40 or so possibilities there with around 4 clones. It's time to judge the third party possibilites. Snake is already confirmed and there will be a couple more entrants, this lists assumes 4 non-nintendo entrants, likely one from each brand
Just so your not confused, I only think Sonic and Megaman will make the cut
Let's look at the camps, shall we?
confirmed - Snake
Sega
Sonic - 80% this is practically everyone's wet dream, especially if you grew up with the Sonic v Mario rivalry. THe hedgehong will probably make the cut, the only nags being that he's been semi retired, and the last officla word was that it "wasn't in the cards at the moment... this leads me too
Nights - 40% this Jester has amassed quite a cult following from his singular Saturn game, couple that with the fact that a new Wii Nights game is on the way, and our androginous friend makes a good back-up from Sega if Sonic is M.I.A
The Gunstar Heroes 30% taken from either the genises or GBA.
Ubisoft
Rayman - 75% THe limbless wonder had one of the best Wii launch games, and since Ubi has already shown support for the N with this title, along with Red Steel, it's a distinct possability for him or ...
the Rabbids 50% THey overshadowed Rayman in his own first Wii outing. Since the sequel centeres around them, it would double as a nice bit of advertising for the new game
The Prince 27.5% The prince of Persia would certainly be an interesting addition from the Ubi camp, though I have no real opinion on him, since his oonly Wii game is a shameless port of Two Thrones
Capcom
Megaman 99.9 % The original bule bomber is the poster-boy for capcom, all the other posers (EXE, ZX i'm lookin at you!) pale in comparison. Even if you exclude the RM weapons, Megs has been in 3 different fighting games, and both him and X have a habit of stealing Ryu's patented Hadoken and Dragon Punch. Reskins could be made to include the Captain N version (for LAWLS), Unarmored X, and Protoman
Ryu from Street Fighter - approx 40 % Seriously, Sakurai and his team wouldn't even have to work hard for a moveset.
Anyone from Resident Evil 25% The no-guns rule would probably affect them the same way it does Snake. and what's RE without Guns and zombies?
Pheonix Wright I don't think my Favorite Lawyer stands to much of a chance, but he's a definate possiblitly since he's a Nintendo exclusive Capcom character
Konami
Simon Belmont I'm not sure if Snake's inclusion hurts or helps Belmont's chances, but my money's on the former. Either way, he's got the Retro Badass vote
Namco
Pacman - don't see it happening
Klonoa - not before Pac-man
someone from SC - not likely, but definately the easiest to include
Square
Geno 80% b/c of the cult following, and the fact that he's seems to cameo in a few newer Nintendo games
Crono -65% I want it really really bad. while our Red-headed swordsman hails from an RPG, his moveset is easily filled with the amound of tech and magic spells in his arsenal. Could probably get in as a heaviliy Luigified Link
one of the FF classes, personally I'd like the Blue Mage ??% You can't get more Square than Final Fantasy, so what better way to show off then one of the classes that started it all.
Sora Not bloody likely since his GBA effort wasn't all that hot, he would be a nice, out of left field addition, but i don't see it happening.
GOD this post was long, depending on what characters are included, and how reskins and cloning would be taken care of, I think there's somewhere between 40 and 50 characters included in this list that might actually happen. happy reading!
Pikmin Fans...UNITE!
Captain Olimar
Weight: 2
Size: 2
Strength: 3
Speed: 3
Reach: 2.5
Star of the Pikmin series Olimar is one heck of a fella. In just a few hours he manages to enslave a race of kind-natured flower people, abuse them by throwing them at things to get his slave labour done and even has them killing the local wildlife in order to recycle their corpses for making more Pikmin (who are born into slavery). That's just Pikmin 1 though, he does it again in Pikmin 2 but this time in order to pay off a big loan his company has racked up. Just to give you an idea, as explained in the introduction, 100 "pokos" is over 1 year's salary and the aim of Pikmin 2 is to clear the remainder of the debt of 10,000 pokos, that's like...over 100 years salary. Talk about badass, Ganondorf can eat his heart out. Being first party and a game that has produced nothing but excellent titles since Pikmin 1 and 2 were 9.0 and 9.2 games on Gamespot and I think even higher on IGN, 3 on Wii is practically a dead cert. To make the games sell even better, what better than to include the protagonist in Brawl to promote the franchise?
Onto the actual moveset though, the majority of the uniqueness of Olimar would be his Pikmin buddies. After all, it's the game's focus and Olimar's primary way of whooping ***. He can actually fight himself, the Pikmin aren't necessary for him to fight (although incredibly necessary to complete the game, obviously) and so he's more than Brawl-worthy.
I should start off by explaining that there are 5 different kind of Pikmin that you can use primarily in Pikmin 2 and 2 unique but not really obtainable Pikmin in 1 and 2. These 5 main ones are Red, Yellow, Blue, White and Purple. Each have different strengths and weaknesses and like in Pikmin they'll be gotten by plucking them from the ground, but Olimar will start with 4 randomly generated Pikmin in order to not completely gimp him.
The Different Pikmin
You can have up to 15 Pikmin at one time. Oh and I better mention that pikmin when in the air are hapless. No, they can't DI, don't be silly. Edit: I should also note that any Pikmin currently engaging in hostile acts on an opponent can't be used in Olimar's attacks, even if they are in range.
Basic Pikmin Mechanics: When thrown will attack and follow the closest target, like in Pikmin, however if the closest target is Olimar they will return to his side. Pikmin come in the 3 different stages of evolution: Leaf, Bud and Flower. Leaf is the most basic, a bud will increase their attack speed by 0.2 seconds and runspeed slightly, while a flower will increase their runspeed slightly, attack speed by a further 0.2 seconds and damage 1%. If a Pikmin lands on you, depending on their weight your runspeed and jump height will be lowered slighty. To rid yourself of a Pikmin, waggle the analogue stick <-, ->, <-, ->. While a Pikmin is attached to you it's attack speed increases slightly by 0.3 seconds. Pikmin evolve by being used in a killing move or after every 20 hits.
Reddy!
Attack Speed: 1.5 seconds
Damage: 3% per hit.
Weight: 2.5
Speed: 3
Immunities: Fire/Explosions
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 175% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a red pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 2.5 on 175% damage)
Most basic Pikmin and the first you get, they are also the strongest of the original trio of Yellow, Red and Blue. Immune to fire and so immune to explosions aka. bomb-ombs.
Yellowy!
Attack Speed: 1.2 seconds
Damage: 2%
Weight: 2
Speed: 3
Immunities: Lightning
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 200% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a yellow pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 2 on 200% damage)
The 2nd type of Pikmin you are introduced to in Pikmin 1, Yellow's are the lightest are thus are capable of being thrown the furthest. Immune to lightning attacks such as PK Thunder.
Bluey!
Attack Speed: 1.5 seconds
Damage: 2%
Weight: 3
Speed: 3
Immunities: Water
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 150% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a blue pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 3 on 150% damage)
3rd regular type of Pikmin and the last one found in Pikmin 1. Able to withstand water attacks such as Blastoise (if he's back in Brawl). Slightly heavier than the other 2 and cannot be thrown as far.
Sorry for the terrible, terrible picture. Honestly, there was no good ones of the blue Pikmin >.>
Whitey! (aka. the Albino Pikmin)
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage: 1%
Weight: 3
Speed: 5
Immunities: Poison
Special Abilities: 3% chance on hit poison which deals 2% damage every second for 5 seconds. If ingested by Kirby, Kirby is automatically poisoned.
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 150% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a white pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 3 on 150% damage)
This one seriously scares the crap out of me. Just don't look into it's eyes! Fastest of all the Pikmin and is partially made of toxins I believe. Immune to poison (since it's body contains it) and so immune to poison mushrooms.
Purpley! (aka. the Sumo Pikmin)
Attack Speed: 2 seconds
Damage: 4%
Weight: 5
Speed: 1
Immunities: None
Special Abilities: Apart from being the fattest son'of'a... around, none
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 100% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a purple pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 5 on 100% damage)
This guy seriously puts on a pound a minute. Even throwing him near an enemy stuns them in Pikmin 2. Obviously has the highest weight and damage at the cost of speed and throwing distance, these guys are heavy brawlers and cause the most slowing and jump height reduction when thrown onto someone. As hard as they are to knock away, they don't have any immunities (except to indigestion).
Good so far eh? We're just getting started!
The Actual Moveset
Finally, onto Olimar's actual moves. That's a lot of information to get down before you can even get onto this stuff, if Sakurai ever finds this moveset and thinks "Wow, that's such an excellent idea!" he'll put it in manual. I hope.
A moves
A - Right fisted punch - 2%, loooooooow knockback
AA - Left fisted punch - 2% loooooooooow knockback
AAA - Olimar's special Rocket Punch(tm)(R)...maybe not...Olimar sticks out both his fists in a double fisted punch of glory - 4% med-low knockback
Dash A - Rush Boots, you slide at 1.5 times your running speed for a short distance, semi-bad wind-down lag though - 8% medium knockback
A -> tilt - Headbutt - 10%, medium knockback
A^ tilt - Rising headbutt - 9% medium knockback
Av - Pik-a-grab, grabs a Pikmin and sweeps out the opponents feet. Knockback, speed and damage vary on the Pikmin sweeping with, ranging from 6%->10%, low -> med-high knockback.
A -> Smash - Swing-a-pik, for every 3 pikmin, Olimar grabs a random pikmin by the flower (so cruel) and swings them forward. Damage is 10% + the damage of each pikmin, knockback and speed again depends on the type of Pikmin and the number. If no pikmin are near, Olimar hits for 10%.
A^ Smash - Soar-a-pik, for every 5 pikmin, Olimar grabs a random pikmin by the flower and swings them in an arc upwards. 10% + pikmin damage, speed and knockback variable. If no pikmin are near, Olimar hits for 10%.
Av Smash - Kik-a-pik, All the pikmin around him kick (both sides, so it wouldn't be 15 pikmin on 1 side kicking) for their base damage with good knockback, if no pikmin are currently following Olimar, he does a 360 floor sweep for 8% with low-med knockback.
Nair - Spins around - 2% each hit with low knockback, last one has medium knockback
Bair - Donkey kick - 5% good knockback
Uair - Somersault kick (he's had zero g training after all) - 6% medium knockback
Dair - Mid-air headbutt (kinda like a reverse of his Uair and instead of kicking them, thwacks them with his helmet) - 5%, meteor
Fair - Your standard kick - 5% medium knockback
B moves
These are probably going to be a bit more indepth.
B - Ye olde "Whistle" - Olimar uses this to command his little buddies. Tapping B will make a short shrill whistle noise which is the go ahead for the pikmin to change the order in which they are standing, meaning you can select which pikmin are closest to you at any given time by taps of B. The default formation is Purple -> White -> Red -> Blue -> Yellow and will change as such so the front goes to the back (ie. W->R->B->Y->P is the next formation). Holding down B will make all pikmin in 4 body-lengths of Olimar will attempt to make their way back to his side. While holding down B (so after 1/2 -> 3/4 of a second), Olimar is forced to continue to whistle for the remainder of 2 seconds and is unable to move or attack during this time.
B -> - Hurl-a-Pik - Throws a pikmin, how hard depends on how far you tilt the control stick. They follow a set trajectory of the classic arc, and will also go different distances depending on their weight. Holding the control stick full tilt and throwing a purple pikmin will yield roughly the same result as throwing a yellow pikmin at under half tilt.
B^ - Dolphin Rocket - Olimar's rocket is also his recovery move! Upon using this move Olimar is instant in his rocket which moves on a shaky trajectory diagonally upwards. You can also control this a little, such as veer it in a direction. Upon moving for 1.5 seconds or so, the dolphin explodes out of habit sending 3 randomly generated parts upwards, diagonally down to the right and diagonally down to the left. These parts are parts which you collect from Olimar's ship in Pikmin 1 and all do 5% damage except the secret safe which does 8% and the Massage Machine and the Space Float (with lower chances of appear) which do a healthy 10%.
Bv - Pick-a-Pik - Probably the most complicated one of all that will take some time to explain. Pick-a-Pik works as sectioned areas of each stage where each section has a 60% common chance and 40% uncommon chance of plucking 2 different kinds of Pikmin. Battlefield for example might be split into 5 different sections, the 3 different platforms and the main floor split in half. On these sections 2 types of Pikmin can be plucked (skilled Olimar's will know which Pikmin to get where on each stage) in those 2 percentages but the rarer Pikmin (white and purple) can only ever occur as 40% uncommon chances, so a purple/white or white/purple combination won't happen, but a red/blue could.
To actually pick the Pikmin, Olimar must hold down and press B at which point it will take 2 seconds to pick a Leaf Pikmin form that area. Subsequent presses of B (while still holding down) will yield Pikmin at 1 second delays. The first 2 Pikmin to be picked will be Leaf Pikmin, the next 3 will be Bud Pikmin and all subsequent Pikmin will be Flower Pikmin, up to the maximum of 15 Pikmin. If you start picking with 0 Pikmin, it's possible to pick up to 10 Flower Pikmin.
Grab moves
A (while holding) - Sly dig - 3%
Forward - Bum's rush, 1-3 Pikmin by Olimar grab the opponent and do the Bum's rush on him : (6-9% high knockback), no Pikmin and Olimar weakly attempts it himself resulting in 3% damage and low knockback
Back - Pik-a-Swing, 1-3 Pikmin grab the opponent's feet and swing him backwards for 5-8% damage and med-high knockback, if no Pikmin, Olimar attempts to do it by himself for 3% damage and low-med knockback.
Down - Pik-a-pounce, Olimar throws the opponent to the floor, 1-6 Pikmin + Olimar jump on one end of the floored opponent for half their totaled base damage + 3% and med-high knockback depending on Pikmin weights. If no Pikmin, Olimar once again foolishly attempts it by himself and doesn't get very far, 3% damage and very low knockback.
Up - Pik-a-Punch, Olimar releases the opponent and uppercuts them at the same time as 1-5 Pikmin. Damage and knockback depends on Pikmin's strength. If no Pikmin, Olimar does it by himself for 3% damage and low knockback.
I think that about wraps it up for the my Olimar moveset. Thanks for taking the time to read it.
Edit2: What do you guys think about being able to save 2-3 custom Olimar Pikmin formations onto your Wiimote, which would load up whenever you picked Olimar instead and you'd flick between them instead of the default ones?
Edit:3 And I almost forgot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_slmbAtWe0
Captain Olimar
Weight: 2
Size: 2
Strength: 3
Speed: 3
Reach: 2.5
Star of the Pikmin series Olimar is one heck of a fella. In just a few hours he manages to enslave a race of kind-natured flower people, abuse them by throwing them at things to get his slave labour done and even has them killing the local wildlife in order to recycle their corpses for making more Pikmin (who are born into slavery). That's just Pikmin 1 though, he does it again in Pikmin 2 but this time in order to pay off a big loan his company has racked up. Just to give you an idea, as explained in the introduction, 100 "pokos" is over 1 year's salary and the aim of Pikmin 2 is to clear the remainder of the debt of 10,000 pokos, that's like...over 100 years salary. Talk about badass, Ganondorf can eat his heart out. Being first party and a game that has produced nothing but excellent titles since Pikmin 1 and 2 were 9.0 and 9.2 games on Gamespot and I think even higher on IGN, 3 on Wii is practically a dead cert. To make the games sell even better, what better than to include the protagonist in Brawl to promote the franchise?
Onto the actual moveset though, the majority of the uniqueness of Olimar would be his Pikmin buddies. After all, it's the game's focus and Olimar's primary way of whooping ***. He can actually fight himself, the Pikmin aren't necessary for him to fight (although incredibly necessary to complete the game, obviously) and so he's more than Brawl-worthy.
I should start off by explaining that there are 5 different kind of Pikmin that you can use primarily in Pikmin 2 and 2 unique but not really obtainable Pikmin in 1 and 2. These 5 main ones are Red, Yellow, Blue, White and Purple. Each have different strengths and weaknesses and like in Pikmin they'll be gotten by plucking them from the ground, but Olimar will start with 4 randomly generated Pikmin in order to not completely gimp him.
The Different Pikmin
You can have up to 15 Pikmin at one time. Oh and I better mention that pikmin when in the air are hapless. No, they can't DI, don't be silly. Edit: I should also note that any Pikmin currently engaging in hostile acts on an opponent can't be used in Olimar's attacks, even if they are in range.
Basic Pikmin Mechanics: When thrown will attack and follow the closest target, like in Pikmin, however if the closest target is Olimar they will return to his side. Pikmin come in the 3 different stages of evolution: Leaf, Bud and Flower. Leaf is the most basic, a bud will increase their attack speed by 0.2 seconds and runspeed slightly, while a flower will increase their runspeed slightly, attack speed by a further 0.2 seconds and damage 1%. If a Pikmin lands on you, depending on their weight your runspeed and jump height will be lowered slighty. To rid yourself of a Pikmin, waggle the analogue stick <-, ->, <-, ->. While a Pikmin is attached to you it's attack speed increases slightly by 0.3 seconds. Pikmin evolve by being used in a killing move or after every 20 hits.
Reddy!
Attack Speed: 1.5 seconds
Damage: 3% per hit.
Weight: 2.5
Speed: 3
Immunities: Fire/Explosions
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 175% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a red pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 2.5 on 175% damage)
Most basic Pikmin and the first you get, they are also the strongest of the original trio of Yellow, Red and Blue. Immune to fire and so immune to explosions aka. bomb-ombs.
Yellowy!
Attack Speed: 1.2 seconds
Damage: 2%
Weight: 2
Speed: 3
Immunities: Lightning
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 200% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a yellow pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 2 on 200% damage)
The 2nd type of Pikmin you are introduced to in Pikmin 1, Yellow's are the lightest are thus are capable of being thrown the furthest. Immune to lightning attacks such as PK Thunder.
Bluey!
Attack Speed: 1.5 seconds
Damage: 2%
Weight: 3
Speed: 3
Immunities: Water
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 150% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a blue pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 3 on 150% damage)
3rd regular type of Pikmin and the last one found in Pikmin 1. Able to withstand water attacks such as Blastoise (if he's back in Brawl
). Slightly heavier than the other 2 and cannot be thrown as far.Sorry for the terrible, terrible picture. Honestly, there was no good ones of the blue Pikmin >.>
Whitey! (aka. the Albino Pikmin)
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage: 1%
Weight: 3
Speed: 5
Immunities: Poison
Special Abilities: 3% chance on hit poison which deals 2% damage every second for 5 seconds. If ingested by Kirby, Kirby is automatically poisoned.
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 150% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a white pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 3 on 150% damage)
This one seriously scares the crap out of me. Just don't look into it's eyes! Fastest of all the Pikmin and is partially made of toxins I believe. Immune to poison (since it's body contains it) and so immune to poison mushrooms.
Purpley! (aka. the Sumo Pikmin)
Attack Speed: 2 seconds
Damage: 4%
Weight: 5
Speed: 1
Immunities: None
Special Abilities: Apart from being the fattest son'of'a... around, none
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 100% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a purple pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 5 on 100% damage)
This guy seriously puts on a pound a minute. Even throwing him near an enemy stuns them in Pikmin 2. Obviously has the highest weight and damage at the cost of speed and throwing distance, these guys are heavy brawlers and cause the most slowing and jump height reduction when thrown onto someone. As hard as they are to knock away, they don't have any immunities (except to indigestion).
Good so far eh? We're just getting started!
The Actual Moveset
Finally, onto Olimar's actual moves. That's a lot of information to get down before you can even get onto this stuff, if Sakurai ever finds this moveset and thinks "Wow, that's such an excellent idea!" he'll put it in manual. I hope.
A moves
A - Right fisted punch - 2%, loooooooow knockback
AA - Left fisted punch - 2% loooooooooow knockback
AAA - Olimar's special Rocket Punch(tm)(R)...maybe not...Olimar sticks out both his fists in a double fisted punch of glory - 4% med-low knockback
Dash A - Rush Boots, you slide at 1.5 times your running speed for a short distance, semi-bad wind-down lag though - 8% medium knockback
A -> tilt - Headbutt - 10%, medium knockback
A^ tilt - Rising headbutt - 9% medium knockback
Av - Pik-a-grab, grabs a Pikmin and sweeps out the opponents feet. Knockback, speed and damage vary on the Pikmin sweeping with, ranging from 6%->10%, low -> med-high knockback.
A -> Smash - Swing-a-pik, for every 3 pikmin, Olimar grabs a random pikmin by the flower (so cruel) and swings them forward. Damage is 10% + the damage of each pikmin, knockback and speed again depends on the type of Pikmin and the number. If no pikmin are near, Olimar hits for 10%.
A^ Smash - Soar-a-pik, for every 5 pikmin, Olimar grabs a random pikmin by the flower and swings them in an arc upwards. 10% + pikmin damage, speed and knockback variable. If no pikmin are near, Olimar hits for 10%.
Av Smash - Kik-a-pik, All the pikmin around him kick (both sides, so it wouldn't be 15 pikmin on 1 side kicking) for their base damage with good knockback, if no pikmin are currently following Olimar, he does a 360 floor sweep for 8% with low-med knockback.
Nair - Spins around - 2% each hit with low knockback, last one has medium knockback
Bair - Donkey kick - 5% good knockback
Uair - Somersault kick (he's had zero g training after all) - 6% medium knockback
Dair - Mid-air headbutt (kinda like a reverse of his Uair and instead of kicking them, thwacks them with his helmet) - 5%, meteor
Fair - Your standard kick - 5% medium knockback
B moves
These are probably going to be a bit more indepth.
B - Ye olde "Whistle" - Olimar uses this to command his little buddies. Tapping B will make a short shrill whistle noise which is the go ahead for the pikmin to change the order in which they are standing, meaning you can select which pikmin are closest to you at any given time by taps of B. The default formation is Purple -> White -> Red -> Blue -> Yellow and will change as such so the front goes to the back (ie. W->R->B->Y->P is the next formation). Holding down B will make all pikmin in 4 body-lengths of Olimar will attempt to make their way back to his side. While holding down B (so after 1/2 -> 3/4 of a second), Olimar is forced to continue to whistle for the remainder of 2 seconds and is unable to move or attack during this time.
B -> - Hurl-a-Pik - Throws a pikmin, how hard depends on how far you tilt the control stick. They follow a set trajectory of the classic arc, and will also go different distances depending on their weight. Holding the control stick full tilt and throwing a purple pikmin will yield roughly the same result as throwing a yellow pikmin at under half tilt.
B^ - Dolphin Rocket - Olimar's rocket is also his recovery move! Upon using this move Olimar is instant in his rocket which moves on a shaky trajectory diagonally upwards. You can also control this a little, such as veer it in a direction. Upon moving for 1.5 seconds or so, the dolphin explodes out of habit sending 3 randomly generated parts upwards, diagonally down to the right and diagonally down to the left. These parts are parts which you collect from Olimar's ship in Pikmin 1 and all do 5% damage except the secret safe which does 8% and the Massage Machine and the Space Float (with lower chances of appear) which do a healthy 10%.
Bv - Pick-a-Pik - Probably the most complicated one of all that will take some time to explain. Pick-a-Pik works as sectioned areas of each stage where each section has a 60% common chance and 40% uncommon chance of plucking 2 different kinds of Pikmin. Battlefield for example might be split into 5 different sections, the 3 different platforms and the main floor split in half. On these sections 2 types of Pikmin can be plucked (skilled Olimar's will know which Pikmin to get where on each stage) in those 2 percentages but the rarer Pikmin (white and purple) can only ever occur as 40% uncommon chances, so a purple/white or white/purple combination won't happen, but a red/blue could.
To actually pick the Pikmin, Olimar must hold down and press B at which point it will take 2 seconds to pick a Leaf Pikmin form that area. Subsequent presses of B (while still holding down) will yield Pikmin at 1 second delays. The first 2 Pikmin to be picked will be Leaf Pikmin, the next 3 will be Bud Pikmin and all subsequent Pikmin will be Flower Pikmin, up to the maximum of 15 Pikmin. If you start picking with 0 Pikmin, it's possible to pick up to 10 Flower Pikmin.
Grab moves
A (while holding) - Sly dig - 3%
Forward - Bum's rush, 1-3 Pikmin by Olimar grab the opponent and do the Bum's rush on him :
(6-9% high knockback), no Pikmin and Olimar weakly attempts it himself resulting in 3% damage and low knockbackBack - Pik-a-Swing, 1-3 Pikmin grab the opponent's feet and swing him backwards for 5-8% damage and med-high knockback, if no Pikmin, Olimar attempts to do it by himself for 3% damage and low-med knockback.
Down - Pik-a-pounce, Olimar throws the opponent to the floor, 1-6 Pikmin + Olimar jump on one end of the floored opponent for half their totaled base damage + 3% and med-high knockback depending on Pikmin weights. If no Pikmin, Olimar once again foolishly attempts it by himself and doesn't get very far, 3% damage and very low knockback.
Up - Pik-a-Punch, Olimar releases the opponent and uppercuts them at the same time as 1-5 Pikmin. Damage and knockback depends on Pikmin's strength. If no Pikmin, Olimar does it by himself for 3% damage and low knockback.
I think that about wraps it up for the my Olimar moveset. Thanks for taking the time to read it.
Edit2: What do you guys think about being able to save 2-3 custom Olimar Pikmin formations onto your Wiimote, which would load up whenever you picked Olimar instead and you'd flick between them instead of the default ones?
Edit:3 And I almost forgot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_slmbAtWe0
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Uhh... that's actually 59 charactersby my count, not counting third party characters. Throw in Snake, Sonic and megamn and you've got 62 total. That would be awesome, but not all that likely
There certainly are alot of 3rd party characters that would make great additions to Brawl. I hope we get at least a few of the ones you mentioned, in addition to Snake.
Not the most probable list, but it certainly is a fun read. 6/10
Edit: I just saw your post Vali. I'll give a good read and post a response.
He put - by the runners up, which I'm pretty sure means he didn't want to include them. Comes out to about 41 or 42 characters in total including clones at 1/3. That's without 3rd party, so 44 or 45.
I dunno about you guys, but the picture of that blue Pikmin cracks me up every time.
Classic-Black
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, I put a dash (-) by runners up I didn't want to include, but could logically see if one of the other characters were passed over
Wiseguy
Smash Champion
Yikes! My mistake. I'll bump your list up to a 9/10 then. Good job.
As you already know, we are in complete agreement in this matter. Olimar is by far my favorite Nintendo created character (EAT IT, LINK!) and it saddens me that his series is so underrated compared to Nintendo’s other franchises. There is simply no character more worthy of a spot on the Brawl roster than he.Captain Olimar
Weight: 2
Size: 2
Strength: 3
Speed: 3
Reach: 2.5
Star of the Pikmin series Olimar is one heck of a fella. In just a few hours he manages to enslave a race of kind-natured flower people, abuse them by throwing them at things to get his slave labour done and even has them killing the local wildlife in order to recycle their corpses for making more Pikmin (who are born into slavery). That's just Pikmin 1 though, he does it again in Pikmin 2 but this time in order to pay off a big loan his company has racked up. Just to give you an idea, as explained in the introduction, 100 "pokos" is over 1 year's salary and the aim of Pikmin 2 is to clear the remainder of the debt of 10,000 pokos, that's like...over 100 years salary. Talk about badass, Ganondorf can eat his heart out. Being first party and a game that has produced nothing but excellent titles since Pikmin 1 and 2 were 9.0 and 9.2 games on Gamespot and I think even higher on IGN, 3 on Wii is practically a dead cert. To make the games sell even better, what better than to include the protagonist in Brawl to promote the franchise?
This is pretty much what I envision as well.
When you think about it, Olimar will be a tricky character to balance. His usefulness as a character depends greatly on his maximum number of Pikmin (15 sounds about right), how much damage they can take and how quickly Olimar can pluck them. However, if they can pull it off, Olimar will single handedly add another layer of strategy to Brawl’s gameplay. I imagine this will lead to some hilarious situations as Olimar’s army of minions, with Nana-like intelligence, sway the battle one way or another.
Nothing really to add, although I could see Red Pikmin as inflicting more damage than their blue and yellow counterparts. (I believe they were the best fighters in Pikmin 1)Reddy!
Attack Speed: 1.5 seconds
Damage: 3% per hit.
Weight: 2.5
Speed: 3
Immunities: Fire/Explosions
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 175% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a red pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 2.5 on 175% damage)
Most basic Pikmin and the first you get, they are also the strongest of the original trio of Yellow, Red and Blue. Immune to fire and so immune to explosions aka. bomb-ombs.
Yellow Pikmin can also be throw higher and farther than the others, so they could potentially retain this as their unique ability. Also, in Pikmin 1 they could pick up bombs so maybe they could occasionally pick up certain items. Just a thought.Yellowy!
Attack Speed: 1.2 seconds
Damage: 2%
Weight: 2
Speed: 3
Immunities: Lightning
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 200% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a yellow pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 2 on 200% damage)
The 2nd type of Pikmin you are introduced to in Pikmin 1, Yellow's are the lightest are thus are capable of being thrown the furthest. Immune to lightning attacks such as PK Thunder.
Hilarious picture!Bluey!
Attack Speed: 1.5 seconds
Damage: 2%
Weight: 3
Speed: 3
Immunities: Water
Special Abilities: None
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 150% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a blue pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 3 on 150% damage)
3rd regular type of Pikmin and the last one found in Pikmin 1. Able to withstand water attacks such as Blastoise (if he's back in Brawl
Sorry for the terrible, terrible picture. Honestly, there was no good ones of the blue Pikmin >.>
The blues will probably be the most useless of the Pikmin, unless there is a water-themed map that gives them an advantage.
In addition to being speedier and immune to poison Pokemon the whites could also poison any character who eats their opponents. You mentioned Kirby, but Yoshi and Dedede would also likely apply.Whitey! (aka. the Albino Pikmin)
Attack Speed: 1.0 seconds
Damage: 1%
Weight: 3
Speed: 5
Immunities: Poison
Special Abilities: 3% chance on hit poison which deals 2% damage every second for 5 seconds. If ingested by Kirby, Kirby is automatically poisoned.
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 150% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a white pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 3 on 150% damage)
This one seriously scares the crap out of me. Just don't look into it's eyes! Fastest of all the Pikmin and is partially made of toxins I believe. Immune to poison (since it's body contains it) and so immune to poison mushrooms.
My personal favorite! These guys would be the most powerful and useful of all.Purpley! (aka. the Sumo Pikmin)
Attack Speed: 2 seconds
Damage: 4%
Weight: 5
Speed: 1
Immunities: None
Special Abilities: Apart from being the fattest son'of'a... around, none
Takes knockback proportionate to weight and 100% of Olimar's Damage (so if Olimar was on 100% and you smashed a purple pikmin, he would get knocked back as if he was of weight 5 on 100% damage)
This guy seriously puts on a pound a minute. Even throwing him near an enemy stuns them in Pikmin 2. Obviously has the highest weight and damage at the cost of speed and throwing distance, these guys are heavy brawlers and cause the most slowing and jump height reduction when thrown onto someone. As hard as they are to knock away, they don't have any immunities (except to indigestion).
Good so far eh? We're just getting started!
Great ideas, all of them. I could definitely see this working. I suspect Olimar might be one of the weakest characters on his own, but once he plucks a good sized army, he would be a force to be reckoned with!
I like it! I never considered that Olimar could use his ship for a triple jump, but it makes sense.
His whistle move could be especially important when there are multiple Olimars fighting. Maybe one could be able to confuse or steal my opponent’s Pikmin!
I like the strategic elements you suggested with his pluck move.
Olimar’s B (throwing attack) could also be used by Kirby when copies Olimar’s special abilty. Olimar could chuck a Pikmin only to have it thrown right back at him!
Hmm... Olimar’s never jumped to my knowledge so they would have quite a bit of freedom in designing his midair attacks. Your suggestions could definitely work.Grab moves
A (while holding) - Sly dig - 3%
Forward - Bum's rush, 1-3 Pikmin by Olimar grab the opponent and do the Bum's rush on him :
Back - Pik-a-Swing, 1-3 Pikmin grab the opponent's feet and swing him backwards for 5-8% damage and med-high knockback, if no Pikmin, Olimar attempts to do it by himself for 3% damage and low-med knockback.
Down - Pik-a-pounce, Olimar throws the opponent to the floor, 1-6 Pikmin + Olimar jump on one end of the floored opponent for half their totaled base damage + 3% and med-high knockback depending on Pikmin weights. If no Pikmin, Olimar once again foolishly attempts it by himself and doesn't get very far, 3% damage and very low knockback.
Up - Pik-a-Punch, Olimar releases the opponent and uppercuts them at the same time as 1-5 Pikmin. Damage and knockback depends on Pikmin's strength. If no Pikmin, Olimar does it by himself for 3% damage and low knockback.
I think that about wraps it up for the my Olimar moveset. Thanks for taking the time to read it.
I like the idea, although different formations could get a little complicated for a game like Smash.Edit2: What do you guys think about being able to save 2-3 custom Olimar Pikmin formations onto your Wiimote, which would load up whenever you picked Olimar instead and you'd flick between them instead of the default ones?
This is by far the best moveset I’ve seen. Great job Vali!
Thought you, and any other Olimar fans might enjoy this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=X5FrVJFFPyg
I didn’t make it, but it’s really well done. WARNING: Pikmin 1& 2 spoilers!
Smady
Smash Master
I really enjoyed reading through Vali's Pikmin moveset too, the best Captain Olimar one I've seen. Wiseguy basically said everything I would have, it's a great effort. Although you still haven't convinced me of his inclusion in 'Brawl.
I was gonna watch that, until i realised it had some heavily emo music to it. My favourite. Not really. I FORGOT THE GOD**** SMASH MOVE. ARGH. PHUFCLAS:ACSA>:. Ninja edit coming up, I had the best idea ever for it too.
Reds were more powerful than the original 3 and the yellows were the furthest thrown (hence lightest). Blues were the hardest to think how they could be better without changing their actual nature and I really couldn't because in this game water = death anyway and I guess you could give them the ability to swim but that wouldn't hold up for tournament play and we don't know how many water stages there will be.
Basically for the formations I put that in there because you should be able to have some selection over what Pikmin you're throwing. I don't really see the problem for when you get used to it since if you know that you have about 5 purples, 4 whites, 4 reds and 2 blues that you'll need to hit the whistle once to get whites if you need some speedy moves, 3 times again to get the purples back for some heavy duty close-quarter-combat and then twice again for the reds to throw after a fleeing opponent. Trust me, with enough practice using Olimar it'll be second nature, as does any tricky part of a character does.
I'm gonna go post this in the sorry excuse for an "Olimar Support Thread" (I think it was titled Captain Olimer? >.>)
@Smash Daddy
What do I have to do to convince you? ^^ You can't tell me that moveset wouldn't be fun to play.
Reds were more powerful than the original 3 and the yellows were the furthest thrown (hence lightest). Blues were the hardest to think how they could be better without changing their actual nature and I really couldn't because in this game water = death anyway and I guess you could give them the ability to swim but that wouldn't hold up for tournament play and we don't know how many water stages there will be.
Basically for the formations I put that in there because you should be able to have some selection over what Pikmin you're throwing. I don't really see the problem for when you get used to it since if you know that you have about 5 purples, 4 whites, 4 reds and 2 blues that you'll need to hit the whistle once to get whites if you need some speedy moves, 3 times again to get the purples back for some heavy duty close-quarter-combat and then twice again for the reds to throw after a fleeing opponent. Trust me, with enough practice using Olimar it'll be second nature, as does any tricky part of a character does.
I'm gonna go post this in the sorry excuse for an "Olimar Support Thread" (I think it was titled Captain Olimer? >.>)
@Smash Daddy
What do I have to do to convince you? ^^ You can't tell me that moveset wouldn't be fun to play.