Zenith 2014 SSB64 Ruleset Changes

[Herbert Von Karajan]

I talked with Nintendude and the Zenith 2014 ruleset is still tentative, and is open to changes based on community feedback.

If you strongly prefer one option, vote for just that option.
If you strongly dislike one option, vote for the other 2 options.
Voting for all 3 is wasting your vote.

Don't vote if you are not registered. Once the poll is closed I'll determine the real totals by cross referencing with the actual registration list.

 

[Cobrevolution]

voted for keeping it as is. definitely don't want to do 4 stocks, neutral on dreamland only - if it happens, it happens; i just don't want the players to not have the other two stage options if it's what they prefer.

we're probably going to see gentleman's every which way, though.

 

[Shears]

I'm not registered yet but I'm roughly 100% certain I'll be at Zenith.

 

[KnitePhox]

where's apex + hyrule? ppfffffff

 

[Annex]

I'm not even going to Zenith but these voting options are lol.
Shouldn't it just be
4 stocks
5 stocks
DL only
DL Congo Peach
DL Congo Peach Hyrule

 

[Sedda]

^I'm gonna have to agree. All of the options you gave are options where you don't lose. If you get it down to 4 stocks with the Apex ruleset this time, the next poll is just going to be an option between that and DL only.

edit- Just read the part that says that you can pick two options, so yeah, you can't lose on this poll. The ruleset is just going to become more and more restrictive.

 

[Shears]

Haha yeah the options are really
Steve1
Steve2
Steve3

 

[Olikus]

Guys, guys.... Remember: stay classy.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

Haha yeah the options are really
Steve1
Steve2
Steve3

1) People who like waiting till 3am before tournament matches are over
2) Nintendude
3) Superboomfan

I prefer a winner take all YOLO tournament

 

[Shears]

http://smashboards.com/threads/petition-to-make-a-new-unique-na-ruleset.349908/#post-16458787

Add that to the poll and you totally have my vote.

 

[Sedda]

I agree. I would vote for the yolo ruleset and have multiple tournaments in one day

 

[MrMarbles]

this poll is horribly biased and deeply offends me. plz lock

 

[Olikus]

this poll is horribly biased and deeply offends me. plz lock

Its herbert. let him have his joy.

 

[Fireblaster]

everyone that wants 5 stocks is not allowed to complain about how long wizzrobe's matches take

 

[Cobrevolution]

cutting it to four won't stop his intense camping, nor even shorten it, really. i can picture six minute stocks because of heavy reluctance to lose any. approaching would be even less desirable then

 

[KnitePhox]

if u play 4 $, u can't ***** about rules once tournament started

do what you can to win

 

[Fireblaster]

cutting it to four won't stop his intense camping, nor even shorten it, really. i can picture six minute stocks because of heavy reluctance to lose any. approaching would be even less desirable then

The hypothesis that less stocks will make matches take longer because players will camp more has little to no evidence and logic at this point. It's just absurd. A 5 stock match will eventually be a 4 stock match so 4 stock matches are literally always going to be shorter.

 

[Cobrevolution]

i'd like to take a measurement and see if japanese matches are, on average, longer with their 4 stock format. wasn't sin/jousuke like 6min each? and ruoka/jousuke also that long?
of course, everything but gf would be measured in single games. might throw things off a bit.

in any case, do people honestly believe that 4 stocks is significantly better than 5? that it offers better tournament matches, more accurate representations of players' skills, or drastically cuts down on set times to avoid running late at venues? or that lowering the stock count will help cure the refusal-to-approach playstyle that has been developing recently?

 

[Sedda]

I don't see how 4 stocks would prevent Wizzrobe from camping. Nothing is going to change, except everybody will have a little more room for error and adjustment with 5 stocks. imo it would make sets more enjoyable at least for me since I have a bunch to learn if i have more time to play within every game

btw if wizzrobe reads this, nothing against you dude. I'm not the one who minds other people camping

 

[Shears]

btw if wizzrobe reads this, nothing against you dude. I'm not the one who minds other people camping

He read it and he already hates you. Its too late for you now.

RIP Sedda 1/26/13-6/25/14

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

If

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in any case, do people honestly believe that 4 stocks is significantly better than 5? that it offers better tournament matches, more accurate representations of players' skills, or drastically cuts down on set times to avoid running late at venues? or that lowering the stock count will help cure the refusal-to-approach playstyle that has been developing recently?

Lets just play with 7 stocks, hyrule, with items

but in all seriousness

> lowering the stock count will help cure the refusal-to-approach playstyle that has been developing recently?

ok so you recognize there is a refusal to approach

> drastically cuts down on set times to avoid running late at venues

there you go.

It's not eliminating 1 out of 5 stocks. It's eliminating 2 out of 10. and sometimes 3 out of 15.

 

[The Star King]

Timer would do much more to cut time-consuming stalemates such as Firo vs Wizzrobe than 4 stocks would.

 

[Cobrevolution]

i do not believe the 5v4 stock difference is what makes events run late. that's silly.

it's all about the downtime in between matches and start time, and whether or not people are playing other events. can't really compare 3/15 stocks to someone having to play a whole other game in a bo3, or someone going to get dinner for a 45mins. just isn't right, imo.

 

[mixa]

i'd like to take a measurement and see if japanese matches are, on average, longer with their 4 stock format. wasn't sin/jousuke like 6min each? and ruoka/jousuke also that long?
of course, everything but gf would be measured in single games. might throw things off a bit.

http://smashboards.com/threads/do-you-want-apex-to-be-5-or-4-stocks.340113/page-2#post-15804482

stop with the silly arguments, hyrule was banned because it was ****, and 4 stocks isn't gonna do anything, and no, sheer is wrong and japanese matches don't take 8 minutes

unless we see some data regarding what exactly takes time in a tournament, assuming it's the ingame time is dumb


someone should pull a frederick taylor and measure downtime, how fast the players walk to their set up, how long they take with chit-chat, how long they take to choose their character and press start on a stage

 

[QUAD231]

just keep them the same the rules are fine

 

[firo]

Can we institute a timer-by-request option where a player can request an 8-min timer if they have a gameshark? I don't see why this shouldn't be an option, now that we have the codes.

 

[Shears]

Can we institute a timer-by-request option where a player can request an 8-min timer if they have a gameshark? I don't see why this shouldn't be an option, now that we have the codes.

I've been an advocate of this for a while but people don't seem to like reasonable solutions to problems, see @ mixa Sarah Jessica Parker quote.

The problem is no one understands what "timer-by-request" means. They just read the word timer and lose their minds because they're impulsive and irrational. Its the same reason why Kirby has votes in the least deserving character thread. They don't actually think things through.

 

[mixa]

They just read the word timer and lose their minds

lmao

for reference: banze does timer-by-request, except it's not a code, but instead another played plugged in who'll press start once the time is up

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

I like timer by request.

 

[Sangoku]

TBR, not to be confused with "to be reanimated".

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

How about this:

5 stocks for every game not involving a Kirby
4 stocks for every game involving a Kirby

Kirby is the only campy character in the game tbh as well his stupid hitboxes prevent people from rushing.

(Honestly, not ing)