Would giving MK the ability to clank with projectiles make him OP?

[robosteven]

Refer to title. I just played a game against a bacon-spamming G&W and, while I know there are ways around projectiles, I feel like they're a massive problem for MK because he can't clank with them. I don't consider MK to be one of my best characters, but I feel like he needs some way to deal with projectile abuse. Am I totally wrong?

 

[Lawn Chair]

Most top level players don't even clank pills in Melee, they just power shield. I would leave MK alone how he is in terms of projectile weaknesses

 

[MegaAmoonguss]

I feel like having certain aerials like fair do that would be good, I don't think it would be game changing like you're describing though.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

I wouldn't be against it, but it would depend on what could clank.

 

[robosteven]

I was thinking nair because it covers his whole body and feels like it should clank. Like, that was really the only move I was even considering about this.

 

[MegaAmoonguss]

For nair I feel like it could be good for dealing with Mario's fireballs, but the hitstun from the clank would still give Mario openings like against Marth.

 

[robosteven]

For nair I feel like it could be good for dealing with Mario's fireballs, but the hitstun from the clank would still give Mario openings like against Marth.

I feel like it'd be better to possibly give Mario a slight opening by clanking with fireballs instead of getting crippled by fireball pressure and having one option against it (powershielding).

I dunno, I'm still reeling from my game against that G&W. What can MK even do about the bacon? It's everywhere, and powershielding it is pointless because it only gets rid of one of them (and you have to be perfect about it). I either really don't know what to do against it (which is totally true lol) or MK needs some way to clank with them, and I feel like nair would be the perfect way to break through.

Again, I have no idea if this would even be necessary because I don't have too much MK experience. :/

 

[MegaAmoonguss]

Well yeah obviously it would be better than not being able to clank at all, but that point is just my reasoning for why it wouldn't necessarily be OP, I would be for it to test it out though, it can't case much harm I don't think.

To be honest, for the bacon I just run away. G&W can't advance with it like Mario, so once he stops then you have an opening, you just have to be patient. I have played really good G&Ws that can just apply perfect bacon pressure though lol

 

[robosteven]

I think it might just be G&W. The Olimar matchup is really hard for me too, especially against the bacon. The bacon snuffs out Pikmin Throw, and d-tilt snuffs out everything else.

I'll have to try being more patient as MK though. I always think of him as crazy rushdown simply because of his attack and movement speed, but that's really not the right way to go about it. I guess I just have to work on the matchup.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Mastery of platforms
It's the pref anti projectile tool, unless it's mario.

 

[robosteven]

Well, see that's what I'm talking about. Platform mastery is ideal, but I think giving nair clanking ability wouldn't overpower him, but would fill the hole in one of MK's biggest weaknesses right now.

Honestly, I think his moveset is outsanding right now. Giving nair clanking powers would be the only change I'd make to him. Everything else seems balanced (maybe his recovery is a little too good, but even that's not really something I mind).

 

[Lawn Chair]

I think you guys just want buffs so you have no need to improve in your characters weaknesses. Just adapt guys really.

 

[robosteven]

I think you guys just want buffs so you have no need to improve in your characters weaknesses. Just adapt guys really.

I don't think this statement applies to current Olimar or ICs lol

 

[Lawn Chair]

I don't think this statement applies to current Olimar or ICs lol

No one has even attempted to push their metagame. Only Olimar player that I've met that is good is Pink Fresh. He doesn't even main that characters. No mercy step it up.

 

[robosteven]

SS.

There's a reason top players don't play either of those characters ever though.

 

[Lawn Chair]

SS.

There's a reason top players don't play either of those characters ever though.

Most top level players play melee too, they just use what they know to win. If SS is good with Olimar why is not placing high? I think Olimar is a great character. Getting tired of the buffing

 

[Nazo]

SS doesn't travel as much as K9 or Pink Fresh but he does place highly in every tournament he's entered; He placed top 8 at LTC2, beating more notable players than any Olimar has.

 

[Thor]

I feel like it'd be better to possibly give Mario a slight opening by clanking with fireballs instead of getting crippled by fireball pressure and having one option against it (powershielding).

I dunno, I'm still reeling from my game against that G&W. What can MK even do about the bacon? It's everywhere, and powershielding it is pointless because it only gets rid of one of them (and you have to be perfect about it). I either really don't know what to do against it (which is totally true lol) or MK needs some way to clank with them, and I feel like nair would be the perfect way to break through.

Again, I have no idea if this would even be necessary because I don't have too much MK experience. :/

Could you just fly up high enough and dair diagonally toward GnW through them?

Do they clank out nado? Drill rush?

If he was doing SH bacon this won't work (probably) but you make it sound like GnW was just standing there throwing bacon, and if that's true, I'd THINK these would be three ways to deal with it.

 

[Sartron]

Do they clank out nado? Drill rush?

Meta Knight's moves cannot clank at all, with the exception of dash attack.

 

[Thor]

Meta Knight's moves cannot clank at all, with the exception of dash attack.

When did they make nado and drill rush transcendent? They were clankable (they were not transcendent) in Brawl [which is why Peach turnips were not very helpful against tornado]. Is the changelist I was looking at for MK's moveset wrong then? It made no mention of this.

 

[robosteven]

I think Olimar is a great character. Getting tired of the buffing

I've actually said a good number of times on the Olimar boards that I don't think he needs major buffs. If his up-b was more consistent (or something else like a rocket that wasn't a tether determined by number of Pikmin), his f-smash was better, Pikmin were plucked in a set order (or Yellows were slightly buffed) and his grab followed the same rules as every other character in the game, he'd be fine. Oli's got some big problems.

MK, not so much. I think MK's near perfect honestly, I was just wondering why he doesn't have any move to deal with projectiles. I mean, he's got speed, but it just doesn't make sense to me that nair doesn't clank. It just looks weird.

 

[Lawn Chair]

You've never played or watch Kirby stuff. It's explained in the anime that his sword is transcended that it can like cut the galaxy in half LOL OP. Olimar stuff stay on their boards only nerfs for MK is Dcape. Which is getting nerfed so all is well

 

[Ahenobarbus]

I dunno, I'm still reeling from my game against that G&W. What can MK even do about the bacon? It's everywhere, and powershielding it is pointless because it only gets rid of one of them (and you have to be perfect about it). I either really don't know what to do against it (which is totally true lol) or MK needs some way to clank with them, and I feel like nair would be the perfect way to break through.

I made a post in the matchup thread about some stuff MK has against G&W. None of it really addresses your specific problem with the bacon though. Still, should be helpful.

Your best bet is probably to dash in when he short hops and either get behind him and punish the baconing or hit him before it comes out. If he's truly spamming, that'll work.

 

[Lawn Chair]

I made a post in the matchup thread about some stuff MK has against G&W. None of it really addresses your specific problem with the bacon though. Still, should be helpful.

Your best bet is probably to dash in when he short hops and either get behind him and punish the baconing or hit him before it comes out. If he's truly spamming, that'll work.

That is what I do against spamming Mario's, run under them and full hop nair. It doesn't need clanks he NEEDS that weakness that is what keeps him balanced.

 

[robosteven]

It doesn't need clanks he NEEDS that weakness that is what keeps him balanced.

I thought the fact that he's combo food and his garbage tech roll were what kept him balanced. :/